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Originally Posted by elwood731
As I said before, I understand fine what he is saying. He's saying women should do nude scenes or find another career. Pretty simple, actually. He can guise it in comments such as "it's about reality" and "they get to make a choice," but then there's really no choice if it comes down to pose nude or lose your job, is there? It's a complete removal of choice.
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You don't even know how far off you are man. Why bother debating with someone who completely mischaracterizes your points and spins your beliefs? I mean, you might not be doing it intentionally... but come on... "women should do nude scenes or find another career"... I said the exact OPPOSITE of that several times. Whatever. I am done with you. Away!
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Originally Posted by Piratehunter
Well, this will ultimately boil down to point of view, but comparing nude screenshots to screenshots of SNL is not the same in my opinion. I’m looking at the screenshots I posted as a reminder of the performance as well as her beauty.
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Yeah, that's a good rebuttal. Still, the reason to make a photo of Portman into a desktop image is to see her pretty face all the time, and I think that's objectifying her more than you would like to admit. Is it less heinous than jacking off furiously to her bare-back from Closer? Yeah, I suppose... but they're distant cousins of one another. In all honesty I was just challenging you, which I like to do in debates.
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Originally Posted by tomdkat
In the end, this gets back to "nudity being done right", which both Moogle and Elwood are basically commenting on AND that was one of piratehunter's initial points in this thread.
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Yes, as I said my comments toward realism are mainly meant as an arguement against calling nude scenes gratuitous. Nudity happens all the time, women do have sex topless, women do get naked in the shower, women do dance naked in strip clubs. To say showing nudity in such situations is gratuitous is silly to me because it's realistic, it really does happen in those situations. Gratuitous, to me, would be having a girl riding a cybernetic killing robot machine man naked while they fight to save the planet from ninja dinosaurs. That's just not needed.
(Edited for horrid sentence structure).