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Originally Posted by tomdkat
Dude!!! Why couldn't you have just left this alone??? I'm with Moog on this...
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Dude!!! Because you stated something that was totally untrue, and it's not Moog's post anyway. Take a look at your original post again, you said exactly this:
"During one scene, I saw some
artifacting when feeding the TV a 1080i signal that disappeared when we fed it a 720p signal."
You specifically were talking about feeding the TV a signal from the toshiba DVD player.
Your exact words were these, copied
exactly the way you wrote it:
"Yep, I agree. I've seen this (to some degree) on my dad's 42" Vizio 1080p LCD HDTV. We have an $80
Toshiba upconverting DVD player connected to it via HDMI and I was testing feeding the set 720p output from the player as well as 1080i output. We used Gladiator as the test material. During one scene, I saw some
artifacting when feeding the TV a 1080i signal that disappeared when we fed it a 720p signal. This isn't scientific but made me wonder it the Toshiba player could de-interlace better than the TV. When watching 1080i over cable, my dad often notices combing which shouldn't happen if a good de-interlacer is involved. Perhaps his TV is a "flag reader" or something."
You did talk about both artifacting and combing, and deinterlacing as well.
Then you just wrote this which is a cutout or paraphrase of your complete statement, and a re-wording of it, excluding what you wrote in total, and excluding the mention of artifacting that you yourself saw and wrote about
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Originally Posted by tomdkat
Ok, let's make it simpler for you. Here was my original point: I suspected the de-interlacer in my dad's 42" Vizio LCD HDTV wasn't very good due to the combing he reported. We did a test using a SD-DVD copy of Gladiator and found the interlaced output from the DVD player resulted in some combing in a scene where the de-interlaced output from the DVD player didn't. This is talking about de-interlacing and if his DVD player could do it better than his TV. This has nothing to do with DVD artifacting, or scaling, or none of that. You are the one who mentioned anything about "DVD artifacting" of any kind when I'm talking about de-interlacing only. Is this hard for you to grasp or something? Since you introduced "DVD artifacting" into my contribution to this discussion, I guess it makes sense for you to then exclude that as a possible culprit.
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I didn't introduce DVD artifacting, you did. Just because you didn't string the two words together doesn't mean you didn't bring it up. Your own words show that you did. I merely stated that I didn't think it was DVD artifacting, and that was basically agreeing with you.
My point here however is that you had no need to reply snidely, nor imply I was either a liar or an idiot, and with derogatory remarks.
My reply to you was reasonable, as such:
"Yes, I think we're basically on the same page here.
I didn't think you meant DVD artifacting, but I'm still not surprised about 720p being somewhat better than even the 1080p in this regard, still an upconversion from 1080i, in which the deinterlacer may likely not be able to relieve all of the visual anomolies. A unit that can do such with best effect is going to be a major expense."
Visual anomolies does not mean specifically artifacting, nor does it exclude such I will admit. Yet you had to reply to this in a snide manner, and incorrectly so as well:
"Originally Posted by rixrex:
I didn't think you meant DVD artifacting,
Well, that's what you wrote above (you stated)"
Incorrect, I
EXCLUDED DVD artifacting after you initially brought it up as shown in your complete statement quoted above, and it was apparent you didn't follow what I said, no big deal, but there wasn't any need to be a snot. You continued to be sarcastic by using DUDE to refer to me, and use some smarta** laughing icons, and then say such things as "Got it now" and then denigrate my intellect by saying, "Ok, let's make it simpler for you," and "Is this hard for you to grasp or something?", and this is also evidenced by what you wrote here:
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Originally Posted by tomdkat
Moving right along...
Ok, I give up. You win. If you can't even read and comprehend what I posted, then I'm just wasting my time.
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These are the reasons why you deserved a response from me regardless of the time, and why I called you on it. I don't just sit by idly while somebody states something about me that's incorrect, or insinuates that I am lying or that I am ignorant, and can't read or comprehend.