Onkyo HD Receivers - Page 3

Ruined · 11-13-2007, 08:43 PM

IMO in terms of looks I still feel the Integra is tops, and the Onkyo looks different than the pic you linked next to the pioneer which is the Integra. The Integra's flat black finish + gunmetal volume knob screams class through its simple yet industrial-looking design. Elite is too shiny and glitzy to look "high end," sorta yelling "look I'm midfi dressed in highend clothes!" And the regular Onkyo looks both a bit plain and kinda cheesy with the blue around the volume knob.

In summary, I like the way the Integras look the best!

Of course, everyone has their own opinion.

But you should be buying for sound quality, not looks. Still, if you don't like the looks of the Onkyo 705, why not scope out an Integra dealer for the DTR-6.8 which looks significantly different than the blue-volumed Onkyo 705:
http://www.integrahometheater.com/mo...s=Receiver&p=i

Note: the volume knob/power switch look much brighter here than they actually are due to flash of the camera, they are more a gunmetal color.

**Pirate** · 11-13-2007, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruined

But you should be buying for sound quality, not looks. Still, if you don't like the looks of the Onkyo 705, why not scope out an Integra dealer for the DTR-6.8 which looks significantly different than the blue-volumed Onkyo 705:
http://www.integrahometheater.com/mo...s=Receiver&p=i

Well, of course I don't agree about the Pioneer and, honestly, I think the gun metal knobs look like ass. However, The DTR-6.8 does look better than the 705. But then I'd be back up in the $1000 range.

Ruined · 11-13-2007, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by piratehunter

Well, of course I don't agree about the Pioneer and, honestly, I think the gun metal knobs look like ass. However, The DTR-6.8 does look better than the 705. But then I'd be back up in the $1000 range. Why would this Integra beat the 705? They look about the same.

They are about the same. But you can get Integra for about 15%-20% off retail if you haggle with a dealer. Its up to you if you want to spend the extra for looks. Have you seen the Integra in person? I'm surprised you think the gunmetal looks bad, it reminds me a lot of some of the super-high end preamps.

**Pirate** · 11-13-2007, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruined

Look at the DTR-7.8, not 6.8. Made an error in first posting.

Still, that puts me in the $1k+ range.

Ruined · 11-13-2007, 09:03 PM

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Still, that puts me in the $1k+ range.

I was a bit confused, the 6.8 is the equivalent of the 705;
the 7.8 is the equivalent of the 805; the 8.8 is the equivalent of the 905.

BTW, the 6.8/705 and 7.8/805 do NOT upscale. They will convert component to HDMI and deinterlace 480i to 480p but if you want to upscale everything to 1080p, for instance, you need the 905 or 8.8.

**Pirate** · 11-13-2007, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruined

I was a bit confused, the 6.8 is the equivalent of the 705;
the 7.8 is the equivalent of the 805; the 8.8 is the equivalent of the 905.

What do you mean by equivalent? I thought the Integras were the higher-end versions.

sub780lime · 11-13-2007, 09:43 PM

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And the Onkyo’s finish has no sheen like the picture above. It’s a flat, boring black.

Um, its the sound that matters...and, um...you're a whore...and, uh...I'm gonna gonna kill you for support HD-DVD

Well, is all your equipment right in front you your face. If its in a closed rack (which I assumed yours was since it is a theater room), does it really matter? I like my Onxyo...its classic...like an old friend.

Ruined · 11-13-2007, 09:43 PM

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What do you mean by equivalent? I thought the Integras were the higher-end versions.

They look higher end. They are supposed to be higher end. But specs are similar. I'm not sure how much "higher end" they actually are.

The most "high end" Integra is IMO the DTC-9.8 because it is seperates instead of a receiver. But Onkyo has an equivalent piece which uses the same firmware so...

**Pirate** · 11-13-2007, 09:50 PM

So, Ruined, in your estimation, can I do any better than the 705 for the money ($600-ish)?

I plan to (in a year of so) buy another high-end amp or possible separates. I just need a solid receiver that won't be a step down from my ELITE for the time being.

Ruined · 11-13-2007, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by piratehunter

So, Ruined, in your estimation, can I do any better than the 705 for the money ($600-ish)?

Nope that would be the best bang for buck. Was just mentioning the DTR-6.8 since looks are important to you - it will cost you an extra $150 or so though for those looks.

**Pirate** · 11-13-2007, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruined

Nope that would be the best bang for buck. Was just mentioning the DTR-6.8 since looks are important to you - it will cost you an extra $150 or so though for those looks.

Do any B&M stores sell Intgra? I doubt I could get it for for as low as Amazon is selling the 705. As for looks, well . . . my HT is dark.

Also, my HT is pretty much DVD/HD only, so the receiver won't be employed for much music. I start to wonder how much different Dolby/DTS soundtracks really sound on $500 models vs. $1K+ models.

Ruined · 11-14-2007, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by piratehunter

Do any B&M stores sell Intgra? I doubt I could get it for for as low as Amazon is selling the 705. As for looks, well . . . my HT is dark.

Also, my HT is pretty much DVD/HD only, so the receiver won't be employed for much music. I start to wonder how much different Dolby/DTS soundtracks really sound on $500 models vs. $1K+ models.

I guess I'll put it this way, a lot bigger difference than there is between a lossy and lossless soundtrack

The place I notice biggest difference is in amplification especially. But when you get to the higher end, you can use your HT setup for both music and HT then of course.

Sehnzeleid · 11-14-2007, 03:06 AM

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I start to wonder how much different Dolby/DTS soundtracks really sound on $500 models vs. $1K+ models.

Well, this is a different example, but my $550 2004 Harman Kardon AVR-235 has the Cirrus CS 49400 DSP with 32-Bit Post Processor, the exact same DSP as Outlaw Audio's $1100 2004 Model 990 pre-amp. Of course there are differences in DACs and power supplies. Though more $$$ doesn't always equal superiority.

But as Ruined said amplification is where the biggest difference is at.

**Pirate** · 11-14-2007, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Ruined

I guess I'll put it this way, a lot bigger difference than there is between a lossy and lossless soundtrack

The place I notice biggest difference is in amplification especially. But when you get to the higher end, you can use your HT setup for both music and HT then of course.

Amplification, as in going to 11? Seriously, if my HT was much louder, my friends would stop coming over.

I've heard "high-end" amps in demo theatres, and while I do hear a difference, I've never found it to be a $1000 difference--with DVDs at least. I know music is much more demanding.

Sehnzeleid · 11-14-2007, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Ruined

They look higher end. They are supposed to be higher end. But specs are similar. I'm not sure how much "higher end" they actually are.

Integras sometimes have larger power supplies and longer warranties than their Onkyo brethen.

Sehnzeleid · 11-14-2007, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by piratehunter

Amplification, as in going to 11? Seriously, if my HT was much louder, my friends would stop coming over.

Amplification isn't strictly about loudness. When I went from receiver-to-external amp, the difference in terms of sound quality (on everything) was and still is vast. It's like my speakers had burlap bags over the grills before even at usual volume levels.

**Pirate** · 11-14-2007, 03:19 AM

I guess I’d have to hear it to really understand. I go to the cinema often and my system sounds like a smaller version of that. Perhaps the cinema has those pesky burlap bags as well.

**Pirate** · 11-15-2007, 06:54 PM

Crap, Amazon raised the praised of the 705 to $610.

sub780lime · 11-16-2007, 05:51 PM

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Crap, Amazon raised the praised of the 705 to $610.

thats odd. Was it a "sale" price.

**Pirate** · 11-19-2007, 05:43 AM

Well, due to my loverly car, it looks like I'm going to have to wait another few weeks before getting the Onkyo.

***chlngr1970*** · 11-19-2007, 03:36 PM

Dude! You can't just drop a bomb like that and not give details...

j

**Pirate** · 11-19-2007, 05:44 PM

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Dude! You can't just drop a bomb like that and not give details...

j

My car needs some sort of hose or something and it's going to cost $100+. That, unfortunately, eats into my component money.

***chlngr1970*** · 11-19-2007, 06:08 PM

damn, sorry to hear that.

I know how that feels, to have the funds to upgrade only to have to spend them elsewhere

Hopefully you will be back on track soon and be able to pick it up.

j

sub780lime · 11-19-2007, 06:32 PM

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My car needs some sort of hose or something and it's going to cost $100+. That, unfortunately, eats into my component money.

Make sure you don't have a tiny mythical creature jumping around under your hood...such as a unicorn.

**Pirate** · 11-19-2007, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sub780lime

Make sure you don't have a tiny mythical creature jumping around under your hood...such as a unicorn.

I don't ever look in there. That's why god created mechanics and friends with "man interests."

Iguana Man · 11-19-2007, 08:28 PM

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I don't ever look in there. That's why god created mechanics and friends with "man interests."

Wait, you don't even check your oil, washer fluid and dare I ask, tire pressure on occasion?

**Pirate** · 11-19-2007, 08:30 PM

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Wait, you don't even check your oil, washer fluid and dare I ask, tire pressure on occasion?

Yeah, I do all the basic maintenance work. I just don’t futz with hoses, caps, wires, etc.

11-13-2007, 08:43 PM	#101 (permalink)
Ruined It's Good to Play Together Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: NJ, USA	IMO in terms of looks I still feel the Integra is tops, and the Onkyo looks different than the pic you linked next to the pioneer which is the Integra. The Integra's flat black finish + gunmetal volume knob screams class through its simple yet industrial-looking design. Elite is too shiny and glitzy to look "high end," sorta yelling "look I'm midfi dressed in highend clothes!" And the regular Onkyo looks both a bit plain and kinda cheesy with the blue around the volume knob. In summary, I like the way the Integras look the best! Of course, everyone has their own opinion. But you should be buying for sound quality, not looks. Still, if you don't like the looks of the Onkyo 705, why not scope out an Integra dealer for the DTR-6.8 which looks significantly different than the blue-volumed Onkyo 705: http://www.integrahometheater.com/mo...s=Receiver&p=i Note: the volume knob/power switch look much brighter here than they actually are due to flash of the camera, they are more a gunmetal color. __________________ For every shadow, no matter how deep, is threatened by morning light. Last edited by Ruined : 02-11-2008 at 12:33 AM.

11-13-2007, 09:50 PM	#109 (permalink)
Pirate Director/Moderator Loves Yellow Subtitles Join Date: Jun 2003	So, Ruined, in your estimation, can I do any better than the 705 for the money ($600-ish)? I plan to (in a year of so) buy another high-end amp or possible separates. I just need a solid receiver that won't be a step down from my ELITE for the time being. __________________ Early Adopting So You Don’t Have To.

11-14-2007, 03:19 AM	#117 (permalink)
Pirate Director/Moderator Loves Yellow Subtitles Join Date: Jun 2003	I guess I’d have to hear it to really understand. I go to the cinema often and my system sounds like a smaller version of that. Perhaps the cinema has those pesky burlap bags as well. __________________ Early Adopting So You Don’t Have To.

11-15-2007, 06:54 PM	#118 (permalink)
Pirate Director/Moderator Loves Yellow Subtitles Join Date: Jun 2003	Crap, Amazon raised the praised of the 705 to $610. __________________ Early Adopting So You Don’t Have To.

11-19-2007, 05:43 AM	#120 (permalink)
Pirate Director/Moderator Loves Yellow Subtitles Join Date: Jun 2003	Well, due to my loverly car, it looks like I'm going to have to wait another few weeks before getting the Onkyo. __________________ Early Adopting So You Don’t Have To.

11-19-2007, 03:36 PM	#121 (permalink)
*chlngr1970* Producer/Admin Tenacious "OB" Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Spanaway Washington	Dude! You can't just drop a bomb like that and not give details... j __________________ "The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love, and be loved in return" Christian, Moulin Rouge

11-19-2007, 06:08 PM	#123 (permalink)
*chlngr1970* Producer/Admin Tenacious "OB" Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Spanaway Washington	damn, sorry to hear that. I know how that feels, to have the funds to upgrade only to have to spend them elsewhere Hopefully you will be back on track soon and be able to pick it up. j __________________ "The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love, and be loved in return" Christian, Moulin Rouge