VIDEODROME-Live Chat-Thur, Jan 20th, 2005

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Chat just wrapped a few minutes ago. It was quite the film! Cronenberg is devfinately the director who puts the ICK in sick!
I bought it blind and i will be keeping it. if you missed the discussion go rent it, throw it in and post some of your thoughts. It definately requres DISCUSSION!

transcript will be up within a day or so

L O N G L I V E T H E N E W F L E S H !

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For anyone who hasn’t seen VIDEODROME, I don’t know if there is much point in you reading through this …
It is such a visual and highly confusing film, that just reading this text will have almost no meaning without having actually been in the chat and participating as we were watching.
Other than the times I was screaming BOOBS BOOBS BOOBS! You will have absolutely no idea what was happening in the film orwhat we were talking about… just a thought.



surfingelectrode says:
I was wondering if the chat had been canceled.
esc says:
nope... here comes everyone ....
surfingelectrode says:
We need to see which version everyone has.
surfingelectrode says:
Criterion = Unrated Universal = Cut
esc says:
i thought they were both the same X rated cut
surfingelectrode says:
Nope
surfingelectrode says:
Criterion has two longer scenes.
esc says:
ahhh
Sycho says:
no movie for me tonight
surfingelectrode says:
This is a wierd movie.
Sephirothclone says:
my third viewing
Sycho says:
i'm just along for the ride
esc says:
so are there 2 different cuts of this out on DVD ?
surfingelectrode says:
Yep…. Criterion is Unrated.
esc says:
I thought thet were both X
esc says:
whos watching what ?
Sephirothclone says:
i have criterion
esc says:
me too.
surfingelectrode says:
Same.
DanishDVDfreak says:
Me too
Sycho says:
not me (watching nothing)
esc says:
heh, you got nothin!
surfingelectrode says:
Andy Warhol called the movie the "A Clockwork Orange of the 1980s".
esc says:
and American Psycho was A Clockwork Orange for the new millennium!!
surfingelectrode says:
among the scenes that were scripted but deleted was one where Max Renn's TV rises up out of his bathtub, while showing an image. The crew had researched how to do this - there had been talk of having the actor IN the tub - and had come up with several solutions. One involved filling the tub with a clear fluid that was nonconductive, but that would have cost $25 a quart. The crew eventually decided to take a real TV and simply cover its insides with layers of waterproofing insulation. It worked -- they dunked the TV into a swimming pool and found, to their astonishment, that TVs float due to the airspace inside the picture tube. The scene was axed just before it was to be filmed.

surfingelectrode says:
It is a freaky movie.
esc says:
wow, cool trivia tidbit
esc says:
allright, lets go in 30 ...
esc says:
10
esc says:
5
esc says:
GO!
esc says:
Universal... an MCA company
surfingelectrode says:
Nice omnimous music
DanishDVDfreak says:
OLD logo hehe
surfingelectrode says:
0:0:35
esc says:
oooold Universal logo... about 1980?
Sephirothclone says:
1983
Sephirothclone says:
Videodrome - directed by Cronenberg!
surfingelectrode says:
Civic TV
esc says:
you are watching channel 83 ...
esc says:
ewww! SHE is a vision of loveliness ??!
Sephirothclone says:
haha
surfingelectrode says:
For everyone watching on PC. How do you have it set up? I have PowerDVD all fullscreen with MSN on it. Obtrusive.
esc says:
smaller video window with Power DVD on the left and msn to the right
Sephirothclone says:
i have PowerDVD placed about 2/3 across the left of my screen, and MSN in the bottle right corner
surfingelectrode says:
now I have PDVD taking up 1/2 vertical of the screen, and MSN the other.
DanishDVDfreak says:
Come to think of it, Im not even sure that I ever watched this before...I scanned through it when I got it, but I didn´t recognize anything really
surfingelectrode says:
The black guys with the whips creep me out
DanishDVDfreak says:
I have it on MediaPlayer classic in a window with MSN beside it
esc says:
oooo! howard shore did the music .. cool
DanishDVDfreak says:
Thats gotta be one of shore´s first movies, right ?
Sephirothclone says:
he just won the Globe for Aviator
Sephirothclone says:
0:2:20 Max is tired
esc says:
0:2:34 Woods cant sleep so hes makin Coffee ?
esc says:
0:2:50 BOOBS!
Sephirothclone says:
yeah
esc says:
what a great neighbourhood he lives in
Sephirothclone says:
i love this setup
esc says:
0:3:35 nice shot with the mirror
Sephirothclone says:
an asian softcore porn salesman
surfingelectrode says:
The uncut thing with the wooden dildo dressed up is great.
esc says:
0:4:29 oh lordy! chocolate dildo ??
surfingelectrode says:
Criterion Disc 2 has the full version of this video.
esc says:
what is wrong with Cronenberg? he gives other Canadians a bad name
surfingelectrode says:
James Woods was great in Scary Movie 2.
esc says:
0:5:00 MORE BOOBS! should i be counting them as the film goes ?
Sephirothclone says:
if you want
surfingelectrode says:
When they were filming, the script was not done….So Cronenburg was hammering out pages of script during filming.
esc says:
i am writing several scripts now and its hard enough without filming at the same time!
esc says:
0:5:55 what IS on the poster behind him ?
surfingelectrode says:
Here comes the firsrt appearance of VIDEODROME, also on Disc 2.
Sephirothclone says:
"something to break through, something tough" - the Flesh indication possibly?
surfingelectrode says:
Nice observation.
surfingelectrode says:
Esc, have you watched this movie before?
esc says:
nope. never knew it was a cronenberg film until a couple weeks ago
Sephirothclone says:
whaa?!
surfingelectrode says:
Ok. I won't spoil it then.
esc says:
danger, high voltage ... forshadowning ?
surfingelectrode says:
VIDEODROME
Sephirothclone says:
the DROME!
surfingelectrode says:
Those guys give me nightmares >_>
esc says:
0 : 8:00, he's getting an early cut of 8MM over the satelite
Sephirothclone says:
its a satellite pickup of a S&M filled porno
DanishDVDfreak says:
That TV programme is Videodrome ?
surfingelectrode says:
Esc, notice this guy (The geek) is not watching the TV
surfingelectrode says:
looking away.
esc says:
hrmmmm, interesting *scared*
surfingelectrode says:
Here comes Nikki Brand (The name is a big foreshadow) and O'blivion
surfingelectrode says:
Debbie Harry's first movie.
esc says:
0:9:30 tonight... on world of the psychic.. with peter venkmen ...
Sephirothclone says:
indeed
esc says:
whos the woman in red? i recognize the actress
surfingelectrode says:
Cronenberg in the commentary says that Nikki Brand is a big foreshadow of... what she does later on.
surfingelectrode says:
Nikki Brand… Debbie Harry.
Sephirothclone says:
this is such a great post-discussion film... the exploration of violence and sexuality in pop-culture, and media
esc says:
well, she's lost control of the show
DanishDVDfreak says:
Im more and more sure that I never saw this before...must have mixed it up with something else
esc says:
0:11:30 that was freaky when Oblivion looked right at her thru the TV
surfingelectrode says:
There are a lot of plot twists in this movie. A LOT.
esc says:
0:12:50 how could you think they were just actors in the VIDEODROME tv ‘show’ ?!
esc says:
CRAM radio ?
surfingelectrode says:
So, what do you all think of the packaging of the set?
DanishDVDfreak says:
I LIKE it....its soo cool
Sephirothclone says:
amazing
esc says:
the disc box packaging is awesome. i got weak in A&B sound when i first saw the design
DanishDVDfreak says:
Yep...very in style with the film
esc says:
0:15:15 what the fuck is wrong with these people!? is Videodrome hypnotising them or are they just freaks ?
Sycho says:
would these meaningless sentences make more sence if I were watching this film?
esc says:
YES!
esc says:
i dont think you should be here unless you are watching the movie.. this will make no sense
surfingelectrode says:
Here comes the second uncut scene…. The ear piercing.
surfingelectrode says:
And here also comes the first bending of reality.
esc says:
oh dear
surfingelectrode says:
I hate needles going through body places.
Sephirothclone says:
pain = pleasure
surfingelectrode says:
Like the shot in Pulp Fiction….The closeup of Travolta shooting up.
esc says:
but you dont actually see it in PULP
esc says:
oh! ya, i forgot about the shoot up see in pulp, thought you were talking about the adrenaline
surfingelectrode says:
Where the needle goes into the skin, the blood rushes into the needle, etc...
esc says:
0:17:35 Videodrome is watching them getiin busy.. i'll bet it likes it
surfingelectrode says:
That's the second uncut scene.
surfingelectrode says:
Reality Bending....
esc says:
0:18:30 oh dear . im worried. This movie is remining me of Boxing Helena for some reason
Sephirothclone says:
it's so erotic... yet sinister at the same time
esc says:
what the flying hell am i watching ? ... THEY WERE IN THE ROOM!!!
esc says:
I N T H E R O O M !! A A A G !
Sephirothclone says:
You are watching a Cronenberg film
surfingelectrode says:
wait .. It gets better.
surfingelectrode says:
Very perverse film. Just wait until... the slit.
Sephirothclone says:
nothing is what it seems
Sephirothclone says:
it will all come full circle
surfingelectrode says:
You gotta watch carefully. Reality is bent.
Sycho says:
i'm so confused, someone send pictures with captions!
esc says:
its the mullhollund drive of the 80's ?
Sephirothclone says:
well not really
surfingelectrode says:
Never saw it.
esc says:
you should. its messed
surfingelectrode says:
More boobs than Mulhullond
DanishDVDfreak says:
Yeah...Mulholland is very good too
Sephirothclone says:
there have been lots of films that are reality/psychadellic like this
Sycho says:
Boobs! i'm missing boobs! Damnit!
surfingelectrode says:
( o ) ( o ) Happy now?
Sephirothclone says:
So reality bending
esc says:
0 : 20:00 damn ive lost count of the boobs.
surfingelectrode says:
0:22:15 Brand.... to brand.
esc says:
she IS a bad girl!
Sephirothclone says:
great moment here
esc says:
i think all that smoking is going to kill them
Sycho says:
well i don't understand any of this so i'm going now
esc says:
0:23:10 BOOBS!
Sycho says:
more boobs, shit
surfingelectrode says:
He takes the cig.
surfingelectrode says:

esc says:
0:26:35 AIEEE! wtf was up with that wig on the waiter ?
Sephirothclone says: [/b]
all this smoking is making me want a cigarette
surfingelectrode says:
I don't smoke.
esc says:
0:27:00 Oblivions name comes up again ... this is all coming full circle much like Naked Lunch
esc says:
28:30 where is this? a primitive net cafe ?
Sephirothclone says:
The HQ of Oblivious
esc says:
0 : 29 :00 oh! I thought that was a man!
surfingelectrode says:
ESC, if you haven't yet, watch the hilarious trailers sometime.
esc says:
I DID!! they were awesome!
surfingelectrode says:
they were Made on a Commodore 64
esc says:
oh man.. is she Oblivion.. or is it something more twisted?
surfingelectrode says:
It will all be revealed.
Sephirothclone says:
suspect whatever you want esc... it will all make sense eventually… well not really
Sephirothclone says:
it will require a second viewing to get it all 100%
surfingelectrode says:
The ending is baffling.
surfingelectrode says:
Is this the part with the breathing tape?
surfingelectrode says:
no.
esc says:
he’s having real problems there. i hate it when I’m in a hurry and i cant get my gun back in the box
surfingelectrode says:
did you see it!! More bending of reality.
esc says:
YES!!!
surfingelectrode says:
She became Nikki
esc says:
SLAPPY SLAP SLAPPY SLAP SLAP!
surfingelectrode says:
The slit.
esc says:
the slit ???? WTF you talkin ?
Sephirothclone says:
he enjoys slapping
surfingelectrode says:
he didn't hit her… he thinks he did
esc says:
i noticed
Sephirothclone says:
it turns him on… its running through his mind
surfingelectrode says:
This part creeps me out.
Sephirothclone says:
the sexual aspect of Videodrome is sinking into Max's psyche
esc says:
0 : 34:50 yikes we are about 1/3 through
esc says:
“The TV screen is part of the structure of the brain” –Dr Oblivion .... thherefore . . . "God is in the TV" -Marilyn Manson
surfingelectrode says:
Creepy black dudes are coming up.
surfingelectrode says:
Dear god. I hate this part, it creeps me out!
surfingelectrode says:
He just...sits there!
esc says:
0:37:10 looks like Nikki got the part!!
surfingelectrode says:
Here it comes... our SEX SCENE!!!
surfingelectrode says:
. . . . Sex with a TV
esc says:
i wish my TV gave it to me that good. it just sits there all still
surfingelectrode says:
I love this effect and the TV gun later on.
surfingelectrode says:
The truth emerges.
esc says:
he watches the tapes … and seven days later he'll die
surfingelectrode says:
Great one!
surfingelectrode says:
That movie wasn't as scary as people say.
Sephirothclone says:
i loved The Ring
surfingelectrode says:
I thought it was funny.
DanishDVDfreak says:
That movie sucked
Sephirothclone says:
i didnt liked Ringu very much
surfingelectrode says:
People are supposed to be scared of some fingers in a box?
Sephirothclone says:
no, but the imagery is disturbing
Sephirothclone says:
no one ever said a horror film NEEDS to scare you
DanishDVDfreak says:
I liked The Grudge a little better
esc says:
have them back by 9 or there will be late fees
DanishDVDfreak says:
Tech didn´t watch the thing !
surfingelectrode says:
See, he never watched the tape.
surfingelectrode says:
HERE COMES THE SLIT. !
esc says:
0: 44 :00 h no! dont pick at your scabby slit with a GUN!
surfingelectrode says:
Great effect.
esc says:
ewwww!
esc says:
yes ladies and gentlemen... cronenberg is the director who puts the ICK in sick
DanishDVDfreak says:
You think ?? hehe
surfingelectrode says:
Badadadadah, I'm lovin' it!
esc says:
seven days later your phone rings .....
DanishDVDfreak says:
Who did the effects ?
surfingelectrode says:
Rick Baker.
esc says:
everything takes place through the TV !
esc says:
0 : 47 :10 thats freaky how when the shadows pass over the car, you can only see the screen in the dark for a second
Sephirothclone says:
He’s wearing Cronenberg glasses
DanishDVDfreak says:
ha ha ha
esc says:
HA!! they are ... heheeh
surfingelectrode says:
Interesting trivia- If I am correct, after making this movie, with the Slit prosthetic, Woods has vowed never to wear prosthetics.... I believe.
surfingelectrode says:
I heard it somewhere.
DanishDVDfreak says:
Cool
DanishDVDfreak says:
That Rick Baker sure can do special effects
esc says:
it was Rick 'planet of the apes' Baker ?!
surfingelectrode says:
Yeah
DanishDVDfreak says:
But he did a LOT
surfingelectrode says:
Rick "Werewolf in London" Baker
esc says:
MIB and alot more
DanishDVDfreak says:
He did An American Werewolf in London 2 years BEFORE Videodrome !
esc says:
Mr Woods, you dont have to do anything but hallucinate ... ya, i'll get right on that
DanishDVDfreak says:
He also did Coming to america, The Rocketeer, wolf, the nutty professor, frighteners, how the grinch stole christmas and Hellboy...among others...and Star Wars
surfingelectrode says:
This part whipping the TV part is weird.
DanishDVDfreak says:
BAD tv...BAD !
esc says:
oops!! wrong chick on the TV !
surfingelectrode says:
IT'S HER!
esc says:
nice doors on his bedroom
esc says:
0:56:59 oh no, who is in bed with him now?
esc says:
oh good! she's gone! that means im not a murderer! happy day.. no ass rape for me in prison
surfingelectrode says:
This movie's sound only works on my PC.
DanishDVDfreak says:
its mono
surfingelectrode says:
Along with some of the Scorsese collection movies.
esc says:
is it just 2.0 stereo ?
surfingelectrode says:
THe only Scrosese coll. that works on my player is Goodfellas. ..Which would be a great movie to watch sometime
DanishDVDfreak says:
it says "monoraul" on the cover
esc says:
ahhhh, that would explain it. your receiver maybe isnt set up to decode mono properly, but if its dolby digital sound on the disc, it should just automatically downgrade the sound … hrmmmm. puzzeling
esc says:
0 : 58 :55 i loved that scene on the stairs. he's just walking down the staris, but it was very well shot, good camera technique and lighting
surfingelectrode says:
0:59:00 and The truth emerges.
surfingelectrode says:
Here it comes....
esc says:
S W E E T !
surfingelectrode says:
Slit Slit Slit Slit Slit Slit Slit Slit
surfingelectrode says:
and
esc says:
pull the GUN!!! kill em all James!
Sephirothclone says:
i reenacted it also
surfingelectrode says:
The gun comes out later.
surfingelectrode says:
its Just so twisted...
Sephirothclone says:
1:04:30
surfingelectrode says:
GUN GUN GUN
surfingelectrode says:
Cancer gun!
surfingelectrode says:
and More needles.
esc says:
I SAID GODDAMN!!
surfingelectrode says:
The cancer gun.
Sephirothclone says:
Television is cancer
surfingelectrode says:
Just wait until the final confrontation. The death is so goddamn gory and awsome!
esc says:
ya, but this movie doesnt have Jude Law eating squishy squid frog guts
surfingelectrode says:
So, are we doing the Matrix in Feb ??
DanishDVDfreak says:
Yeah
esc says:
ya, new scedule is up
surfingelectrode says:
All 3?
esc says:
just #1
surfingelectrode says:
Will we do 2 and 3 eventually?
esc says:
sure
DanishDVDfreak says:
Blazing Saddles next thursdau, and then Matrix
esc says:
then ZARDOZ ! ! !! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !! ! !! !
DanishDVDfreak says:
Im NOT watching that !
surfingelectrode says:
Crap, I'll have to get that from the library.
esc says:
i got it for $6 and it looks AWEFUL … AWEFUL GOOD!
surfingelectrode says:
We need to do Spaceballs sometime near the release of SW: E3
DanishDVDfreak says:
We should do Das Boot someday too
esc says:
well programming a VCR is hard!
esc says:
Ben Grimm hand!
surfingelectrode says:
What the fuck?!
surfingelectrode says:
My left speaker just stopped working!
Sephirothclone says:
ITS THE DROME !!!
surfingelectrode says:
Great effect coming up.
surfingelectrode says:
fuckfuckfuck. The left speaker is on, but no sound.
surfingelectrode says:
TV Gun.
esc says:
i can see how they did that effect, but it stiil looks GREAT!
esc says:
and the lips on the TV too
surfingelectrode says:
They projected it.
esc says:
nod
DanishDVDfreak says:
yep...must have
esc says:
onto a think rubber sheet
surfingelectrode says:
Kinda like the spandex in Nightmare On Elm St … With Freddy coming through the wall.
esc says:
1:13:00 smartest thing anyone has said all movie! DEATH TO VIDEODROME!
surfingelectrode says:
The goriest death in the movie is coming up.
surfingelectrode says:
LONG LIVE THE NEW FLESH!
surfingelectrode says:
1:15:45
esc says:
heh. what he said could describe the movie! “what a tricky script you have here”.. “cant imagine you'd see things too well ...”
surfingelectrode says:
I love this part.
surfingelectrode says:
The grenade.
surfingelectrode says:
Boom!
surfingelectrode says:
Brick Wall poster
esc says:
where the hell did the fucking cluster bomb come from!?!
surfingelectrode says:
The chest.
esc says:
well ya, but why was it in there?
surfingelectrode says:
Maybe he hallucinated it? I dunno.
surfingelectrode says:
Here comes the goriest death, right here.
esc says:
sweet
surfingelectrode says:
It's great.
Sephirothclone says:
save all questions till the end from this point on
Sephirothclone says:
because lots of questions start to arise at this point
esc says:
ok the glasses coming up again and again in this film are starting to bug me now
surfingelectrode says:
Cancer gun! W00t!
surfingelectrode says:
Here it comes.
esc says:
i wonder is Medici glasses has some signifigance. they were a very famouns old italian family
surfingelectrode says:
Cancer gun!
surfingelectrode says:
awesome.
surfingelectrode says:
Amazing.
esc says:
someone tune the highend out! im getting some feedback from the mic!
surfingelectrode says:
Which mic?
esc says:
the one that was squealing on the stage
surfingelectrode says:
The film ends on such a down note.
esc says:
1:22:40 now i'll just go to this random abandoned ship for no reason ...
surfingelectrode says:
Such a downer.
esc says:
oh oh! dont kill the old flesh! you're just a nut living an an abandoned building ! dont listen to the TV!!
surfingelectrode says:
An epilogue was planned but never filmed. In it, Max Renn, Bianca O'Blivion and Nicki Brand appear on the set of Videodrome. Bianca and Nicki are shown to have chest slits (vaginas) of their own, from which emerge strange mutated sex organs. The scene was scrapped along with many others due to cost overruns, bad timing ('Harry, Deborah' had stomach flu and James Woods was visiting relatives), and the sheer difficulty of executing such a special-effects scene. A number of other ambitious special effects sequences were also dropped.
surfingelectrode says:
Blammo.
esc says:
i wonder if thats whats really in TV’S
surfingelectrode says:
Well, I'm outta here. I'll catch the rest of the chat when it is posted. Thanks for the chat and discussion. Can't wait until blazing saddles next week.
esc says:
wow. That one’s a keeper
surfingelectrode says:
Good movie?
Sephirothclone says:
great movie
DanishDVDfreak says:
Yeah...very good
Sephirothclone says:
did you like it Esc?
esc says:
YES … i'll have to show that to all my sick little friends
DanishDVDfreak says:
will have to watch it again soon
esc says:
L O N G L I V E T H E N E W F L E S H
surfingelectrode says:

esc says:
L O N G L I V E T H E N E W F L E S H L O N G L I V E T H E N E W F L E S H L O N G L I V E T H E N E W F L E S H L O N G L I V E T H E N E W F L E S H L O N G L I V E T H E N E W F L E S H L O N G L I V E T H E N E W F L E S H L O N G L I V E T H E N E W F L E S H L O N G L I V E T H E N E W F L E S H L O N G L I V E T H E N E W F L E S H L O N G L I V E T H E N E W F L E S H L O N G L I V E
DanishDVDfreak says:
hehe
esc says:
i'm gonna write a sequel now!
Sephirothclone says:
so any questions or comments?
esc says:
ummm, i dunno if i have any questions. i'll have to watch it again and see if i get any hidden stuff i missed this time.
Sephirothclone says:
so whatis next? whats our future lineup?
surfingelectrode says:
I enjoyed it. I need to do a bit of research on the ending. Doesn't make much sense. But from a horror lover's perspective, it is a great popcorn movie.
DanishDVDfreak says:
Next movie ? Aliens tomorrow
surfingelectrode says:
Watch the commentaries. Tons of good info on them
surfingelectrode says:
And the making of stuff.
esc says:
if you want an explanation of what I think … he was just a nut who had nothing to do with a TV station and was homeless or something and killed a bunch of people ? but I could be way off and I doubt its as obvious as that.