Nudity in film.

[Iguana Man]

Between you and Sycho , I may get rich afterall!

[reapersaurus]

Originally Posted by piratehunter

I guess I don't understand. If you think we're all whores in some way, what is the point of pointing it out here?

I guess you didn't read the 8 pages of this discussion....

Maybe you missed all the stuff about your morality and (paraphrased) how you put actresses up on a pedastal and how you are the one feeling regret for them and all that.

If you realized they sell themselves in their own way, you may feel less sexual regret for them.

[Pirate]

Originally Posted by reapersaurus

I guess you didn't read the 8 pages of this discussion....

Maybe you missed all the stuff about your morality and (paraphrased) how you put actresses up on a pedestal and how you are the one feeling regret for them and all that.

If you realized they sell themselves in their own way, you may feel less sexual regret for them.

First off, please do your best not to talk down to me. It's no good for discussion.

I was commented on the fact that you think that everyone is a whore in some way thereby making your argument obsolete for this discussion, IMO. Expressing concern is not putting people on a pedestal. I understand that actors have to sell themselves and I don’t think that makes them whores. And I think it may be you who has not read the thread. I never said that I felt regret, I was merely wondering if they (the actors) did. If an actor gets "exploited" that I am a fan of, I may feel bad for them, but I cannot feel regret for them.

I was asking you a valid question about your point of view based on what I felt was new information. That’s it.

-PH

[reapersaurus]

Originally Posted by piratehunter

And I think it may be you who has not read the thread. I never said that I felt regret, I was merely wondering if they (the actors) did.

That's why I specifically said I was paraphrasing you.

[Pirate]

Originally Posted by reapersaurus

That's why I specifically said I was paraphrasing you.

You need to read your own definition. You stated in the above post that

Maybe you missed all the stuff about your morality and (paraphrased) how you put actresses up on a pedestal and how you are the one feeling regret for them and all that.

That’s not paraphrasing, that’s misquoting.

-PH

[MooglePorn]

This is the first time since this thread began that I have checked the forum and not found it updated. For shame

[Pirate]

Originally Posted by MooglePorn

This is the first time since this thread began that I have checked the forum and not found it updated. For shame

And we were so close to 400.

-PH

[Iguana Man]

Originally Posted by piratehunter

And we were so close to 400.

-PH

For some reason I thought ending it at 365 posts was akin to a year and kinda cool. But alas...Moog ruined it.

Lets shoot for 400. Why? Well that's the size of my new motor!

[mighty mint]

We could fill the rest of the thread with discussing the artistic value that Carla added to Sin City with her costumes

[MooglePorn]

I was forced to watch Wedding Crashers this weekend... (yes, forced, do you have a girlfriend?). It was a mediocre movie, but one part made me think... ha... When Jane Seymour removes her top for the Owen Wilson character, you CANNOT tell me that scene wouldn't have been better if her tits were visible. The whole point of the scene is how aggressive and forward this woman was, and how bluntly she just whips them out, but the effect is lessened by not seeing them.

Discuss.

[mighty mint]

Agreed. I had the same thought myself when I saw the film...she was aggressive and boasted of a boob job yet we never get to see the "job" and the lack of revealing did not prove the character she was trying to portray.

[reapersaurus]

I happened to see the same movie just this weekend.
While on one hand I agree in general, that specific scene doesn't particularly strike me as needing the nudity, since her character was such an over-the-top farce character anyway.
If it's a drama, or has SOME connection to reality, nudity is a more important character point.

The thing I noticed about nudity in Wedding Crashers is how distracting it was to watch the early conquest's breasts bounce so inhumanly when they fell back repeatedly on the beds - those were such a potpourri of fake tits displayed, I expected a plastic surgeon to be in the credits in the film.

[Pirate]

Originally Posted by mighty mint

Agreed. I had the same thought myself when I saw the film...she was aggressive and boasted of a boob job yet we never get to see the "job" and the lack of revealing did not prove the character she was trying to portray.

I disagree. I think the image of Wilson cupping here breasts was more than enough to get the point across. As Reaper points out, she was very over-the-top and the nudity wouldn’t have furthered her character in my opinion.

-PH

[tomdkat]

Originally Posted by reapersaurus

that specific scene doesn't particularly strike me as needing the nudity, since her character was such an over-the-top farce character anyway.

I agree. Plus, her slapping his face afterward fits in with us not actually seeing her breasts. I didn't see any real point in actually seeing her breasts and the only reason I can see to show them is to give us a chance to see Jane Seymour's breasts or what we thought were her breasts.

Moogle, I guess I AM saying that scene would not have been improved if we got to see the "goods".

Question for Iggy, did you see this movie? If so, did you think her breasts were exposed or not during this scene?

Peace...

[Iguana Man]

Originally Posted by tomdkat

Question for Iggy, did you see this movie? If so, did you think her breasts were exposed or not during this scene?

Peace...

No.

[mighty mint]

Originally Posted by tomdkat

I agree. Plus, her slapping his face afterward fits in with us not actually seeing her breasts. I didn't see any real point in actually seeing her breasts and the only reason I can see to show them is to give us a chance to see Jane Seymour's breasts or what we thought were her breasts.

Moogle, I guess I AM saying that scene would not have been improved if we got to see the "goods".

Question for Iggy, did you see this movie? If so, did you think her breasts were exposed or not during this scene?

Peace...

You caught me - I agree with your points. I was just curious to see Jane's tarzans

[tomdkat]

Originally Posted by Iguana Man

No.

No, you didn't see the movie or no you did not think her breasts were exposed?

Peace...

[Iguana Man]

Didn't see movie.

And for the record, nudity equates to me doing the following:

1) Bare skin of breast shown. (<--example only)
2) Drop beer, grab remote and hit rewind.
3) Find scene and pause.
4) Watch still picture and wait for a 'feeling'.
5) Feeling = yes.
6) Nudity in film.

[tomdkat]

Originally Posted by Iguana Man

And for the record, nudity equates to me doing the following:

1) Bare skin of breast shown. (<--example only)
2) Drop beer, grab remote and hit rewind.
3) Find scene and pause.
4) Watch still picture and wait for a 'feeling'.
5) Feeling = yes.
6) Nudity in film.

Peace...

[Astrakan]

The author of the article linked below has a different view on what constitutes nudity than most of us, but I thought it was still relevant to this thread.

http://movies.msn.com/movies/dvd/nude?GT1=7972

KM

[Dogg]

While I have to admit I have read all of the bickering in this long drawn out thread...I believe there are two issues being covered. First, whether or not actors should/shouldn't get nude and/or our feelings on the topic. And second, whether or not some nude scenes are relevant to a given movie. Maybe these should become two seperate topics.

On the relevancy topic, how about the two nude/sex scenes in "A History of Violence". I believe the story works just fine without those scenes.

[Pirate]

Originally Posted by Dogg

Maybe these should become two seperate topics.

No! Gawd, no!

Originally Posted by Dogg

On the relevancy topic, how about the two nude/sex scenes in "A History of Violence". I believe the story works just fine without those scenes.

I agree. The scene where she walks nude from the bedroom to the bathroom is totally unneeded. It says nothing about her character.

-PH

[tomdkat]

Originally Posted by Dogg

On the relevancy topic, how about the two nude/sex scenes in "A History of Violence". I believe the story works just fine without those scenes.

I disagree. The scene on the stairs is what convinced me

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she would not leave him and supports why she supported him earlier

I mean given

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how he tapped dat ass

it was clear to me she was sprung.

Peace...

[tomdkat]

Originally Posted by piratehunter

I agree. The scene where she walks nude from the bedroom to the bathroom is totally unneeded. It says nothing about her character.

I disagree. It says a lot about her character. You might not think what it says is really meaningful but I don't think that was an unneeded scene.

I also liked

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the cheerleader stuff

Peace...

[Pirate]

Tom,
From what I remember, the stairs and the cheerleader outfit scenes had little to no nudity. I'm only speaking about the open robe scene. What does that tell us about her character that we don't already know?

-PH

[tomdkat]

Originally Posted by piratehunter

Tom,
From what I remember, the stairs and the cheerleader outfit scenes had little to no nudity. I'm only speaking about the open robe scene.

You're not the only one participating in this discussion. Dogg mentioned the nude/sex scenes.

What does that tell us about her character that we don't already know?

What does that tells us? It tells us there's a sexual dimension to her that isn't portrayed through her roles as mom or wife. I forget if that scene occured before of after the cheerleader scene. Additionally, that is further demonstrated by the cheerleader and stair scenes.

It's like she loves her hubby and the arguably "fake" life they've had thus far but

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she's also intrigued by his other persona and opens up to that sexually on the stairs. She does the cheerleader thing to spice things up a bit but I think that's just the tip of the iceberg. Ideally, I think she wishes she could be much more sexually open and/or liberated and i think the open robe touches upon that.

Peace...