Nudity in film. - Page 12

**Pirate** · 05-30-2006, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MooglePorn

I don't see why it matters why she did it... she chose to do it, she has her reasons. It shouldn't be an issue for Pirate Hunter or anyone else to "debate." She made a choice.

I see no harm in discussing it. Do you not have any actors or filmmakers that you have a particular interest in?

tomdkat · 05-30-2006, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piratehunter

I see no harm in discussing it.

I agree but Moogle's right. It's ultimately her business and her decision to make.

Peace...

**Pirate** · 05-30-2006, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomdkat

I agree but Moogle's right. It's ultimately her business and her decision to make.

I agree completely. Doesn’t stop it from bothering me.

tomdkat · 05-30-2006, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piratehunter

I agree completely. Doesn’t stop it from bothering me.

But it's not about you.

Peace...

**Pirate** · 05-30-2006, 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomdkat

But it's not about you.

Peace...

Sure it is. I'm dwelling on something that's note of my business; therefore it's all about me and my need for psychiatric care.

[Angst]

You guys are weird!

You don't understand anything!

What about what I want?!

[/Angst]

tomdkat · 05-30-2006, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piratehunter

Sure it is. I'm dwelling on something that's note of my business; therefore it's all about me and my need for psychiatric care.

Oh, ok.

Peace...

Nikonian · 05-31-2006, 12:02 AM

I don't understand why anyone would be against tasteful nudity in films. Women, men etc. The body is beautiful. Show it off! Don't be so prudish.

**Pirate** · 05-31-2006, 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nikonian

I don't understand why anyone would be against tasteful nudity in films. Women, men etc. The body is beautiful. Show it off! Don't be so prudish.

I'm not against tasteful nudity, but as we've discussed here, I worry about the intentions/consequences of said nudity.

Nikonian · 05-31-2006, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piratehunter

I'm not against tasteful nudity, but as we've discussed here, I worry about the intentions/consequences of said nudity.

Huh? Maybe I need to read the whole thread. What consequences would you be worried about? I'd assume that actors and actresses who choose to go nude on the big screen do so with their eyes open. They must know what the risks involved are. If they make the choice to do so, good for them. If not, good for them too.

**Pirate** · 05-31-2006, 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nikonian

Huh? Maybe I need to read the whole thread. What consequences would you be worried about? I'd assume that actors and actresses who choose to go nude on the big screen do so with their eyes open. They must know what the risks involved are. If they make the choice to do so, good for them. If not, good for them too.

We shouldn' get this started again. Most of that was covered in the six kabillion pages before. Read through if you're curious and we can ge this puppy to 500.

tomdkat · 05-31-2006, 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nikonian

Huh? Maybe I need to read the whole thread.

Yeah, you should. It's long but you'll better understand piratehunter's view if you read the thread.

Peace...

MooglePorn · 05-31-2006, 02:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piratehunter

I see no harm in discussing it. Do you not have any actors or filmmakers that you have a particular interest in?

We can talk about it, but I just think evaluating her motives and their merits is kind of sily.

And no, I don't have any stars for whom their personal choices and lives is any concern. You remind me of some guy who was like "why is she doing this???" on the IMDB message boards when Anne Hathaway did a nude scene.

**Pirate** · 05-31-2006, 04:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MooglePorn

And no, I don't have any stars for whom their personal choices and lives is any concern. You remind me of some guy who was like "why is she doing this???" on the IMDB message boards when Anne Hathaway did a nude scene.

Like I've said before, I don't lose sleep over it.

Hathaway is a good example of what I mean, though. She did "Havoc" possibly thinking that it would be for an art film and look what happened. "Havoc" tanked and basically became porn. I heard more about the fact that she was nude than the film itself.

It's also possible that she did it to wipe away her "teen movie queen" image and she doesn't care what "Havoc" became. I think “why is she doing this?” is a valid question. But that comes back to my questioning intentions and consequences…which we’ve been over.

tomdkat · 05-31-2006, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piratehunter

Hathaway is a good example of what I mean, though. She did "Havoc" possibly thinking that it would be for an art film and look what happened. "Havoc" tanked and basically became porn. I heard more about the fact that she was nude than the film itself.

I disagree. I didn't find anything pornographic about Havoc at all. If Havoc could be viewed as pornographic, just about any mainstream movie where some hot actor exposes their "parts" could be.

Peace...

MooglePorn · 06-01-2006, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piratehunter

It's also possible that she did it to wipe away her "teen movie queen" image and she doesn't care what "Havoc" became. I think “why is she doing this?” is a valid question. But that comes back to my questioning intentions and consequences…which we’ve been over.

But why do you care? I'm all for discussing nudity in film as far as "it worked for the scene" or "it felt gratuitous," but why the actors chose to do it, and what that says about their personal life, is really something I don't care about at all.

**Pirate** · 06-01-2006, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomdkat

I disagree. I didn't find anything pornographic about Havoc at all. If Havoc could be viewed as pornographic, just about any mainstream movie where some hot actor exposes their "parts" could be.

Peace...

Allow me to clarify. By porn, I meant that it didn't get a good run in the theatre and received no acclaim. Its advertising and word of mouth seemed solely based on the fact that Hathaway was nude. I know it’s not porn, but when would bet money that more people have seen Hathaway’s “scenes” than have seen the film.

**Pirate** · 06-01-2006, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MooglePorn

But why do you care? I'm all for discussing nudity in film as far as "it worked for the scene" or "it felt gratuitous," but why the actors chose to do it, and what that says about their personal life, is really something I don't care about at all.

This is where I differ from a lot of film fans. Although I am well aware that I don’t really know any of these people, I form attachments to certain filmmakers and actors. Not in an unhealthy, sleeping outside their house kind of way, but some of these people have meant a great deal to me and I would be upset if they were caused pain or their career fizzled because of a stupid decision. That’s why I care.

tomdkat · 06-01-2006, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piratehunter

Allow me to clarify. By porn, I meant that it didn't get a good run in the theatre and received no acclaim. Its advertising and word of mouth seemed solely based on the fact that Hathaway was nude. I know it’s not porn, but when would bet money that more people have seen Hathaway’s “scenes” than have seen the film.

Then call it a "flop", which is what you just described.

I'm ok with it being a flop.

Peace...

tomdkat · 06-01-2006, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piratehunter

This is where I differ from a lot of film fans. Although I am well aware that I don’t really know any of these people, I form attachments to certain filmmakers and actors. Not in an unhealthy, sleeping outside their house kind of way, but some of these people have meant a great deal to me and I would be upset if they were caused pain or their career fizzled because of a stupid decision. That’s why I care.

Peace...

**Pirate** · 06-01-2006, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomdkat

Peace...

Why does that create a feeling of "

" in you?

**Pirate** · 06-01-2006, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomdkat

Then call it a "flop", which is what you just described.

I'm ok with it being a flop.

Peace...

But a flop is not what I meant. I meant that it has become more about "porn" (by way of the net) than film.

MooglePorn · 06-01-2006, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomdkat

Peace...

Mega dittos, Rush...

Nikonian · 06-01-2006, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piratehunter

This is where I differ from a lot of film fans. Although I am well aware that I don’t really know any of these people, I form attachments to certain filmmakers and actors. Not in an unhealthy, sleeping outside their house kind of way, but some of these people have meant a great deal to me and I would be upset if they were caused pain or their career fizzled because of a stupid decision. That’s why I care.

Pardon me for saying so but that seems unhealthy. They're adults. They can make their own decisions. If it impacts you so strongly I'd suggest that your personal priorities are out of whack.

Astrakan · 06-01-2006, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piratehunter

Why does that create a feeling of "

" in you?

You really don't see why?

I don't mean this as an attack but, despite your disclaimer of "not in an unhealthy" way, I definitely think that that kind of attachement to total strangers is a bit unhealthy and most definitely

worthy.

I'm a pretty big film fan myself, and like you I have aspirations for a career in that field, but it just seems a tad obsessive to say that people you've never met "mean a great deal" to you and that you'd be upset if a bad choice "caused pain or their career fizzled."

I mean, I too wouldn't be too happy if my favourite actor or director made bad choices and couldn't make films anymore. But not because I care about them as people, only because I want to be able to enjoy their work. I've never met them. I have about the same amount of sympathy for them as I do a stranger on the street.

KM

**Pirate** · 06-01-2006, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nikonian

Pardon me for saying so but that seems unhealthy. They're adults. They can make their own decisions. If it impacts you so strongly I'd suggest that your personal priorities are out of whack.

Maybe “upset” is too strong a word, but is it so “crazy” to feel bad for someone you don’t know?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Astrakan

You really don't see why?

I see why if you’re closed minded and add your own baggage to the statement.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Astrakan

I don't mean this as an attack but, despite your disclaimer of "not in an unhealthy" way, I definitely think that that kind of attachement to total strangers is a bit unhealthy and most definitely worthy.

It’s not an attachment in the way you’re implying. For example, Star Wars has always been a big part of my life (more so in my childhood). If Lucas died in a car accident, I could see myself being very upset over that. There’s nothing wrong with that. If there is someone you don’t know, but who you greatly admire, I see no reason not feel something towards them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Astrakan

I'm a pretty big film fan myself, and like you I have aspirations for a career in that field, but it just seems a tad obsessive to say that people you've never met "mean a great deal" to you and that you'd be upset if a bad choice "caused pain or their career fizzled."

I guess I should say “their work” means a great deal. I mean, I can only have affection for their public persona, but, again, I see nothing wrong with being happy for someone who does well or being said for someone who fails. That’s just compassion for someone you respect.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Astrakan

I mean, I too wouldn't be too happy if my favourite actor or director made bad choices and couldn't make films anymore. But not because I care about them as people, only because I want to be able to enjoy their work. I've never met them. I have about the same amount of sympathy for them as I do a stranger on the street.

Well, not to get too deep into it, but separating the person from the work is not fully appreciating the work, IMO.

tomdkat · 06-01-2006, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piratehunter

Why does that create a feeling of "

" in you?

Astrakan and Nikonian have basically covered it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by piratehunter

But a flop is not what I meant. I meant that it has become more about "porn" (by way of the net) than film.

But a "flop" is exactly what you described.

Quote:

Originally Posted by piratehunter above

Allow me to clarify. By porn, I meant that it didn't get a good run in the theatre and received no acclaim. Its advertising and word of mouth seemed solely based on the fact that Hathaway was nude. I know it’s not porn, but when would bet money that more people have seen Hathaway’s “scenes” than have seen the film.

A hot looking actor being nude doesn't make the movie "porn". It might make it something people would want to see, but definitely not "porn". In fact, you even concede it's not porn so why not call it a "flop", which matches your description?

05-31-2006, 12:02 AM	#447 (permalink)
Nikonian Banned Join Date: Jan 2006	I don't understand why anyone would be against tasteful nudity in films. Women, men etc. The body is beautiful. Show it off! Don't be so prudish.