Nudity in film.

[mighty mint]

If we are talking about Sin City, the same film that I watched, there were alot of gratuitous things in it that didn't "add" particularly to the story...so...one extra pair of lovelies on the screen would not have mattered all that much but in doing what they did with Nancy's character they did not keep with the feel of Sin City..when everyone else is somewhat scantily clad everywhere else but in a strip club the main dancer is fully clothed, it seems a bit odd and out of place (IMHO).

[Pirate]

Originally Posted by tomdkat

OK, so did Nancy dance topless in the "source material" mighty mint referred to?

Yes, almost all the women in the Sin City books are nude at one point or another.

Originally Posted by tomdkat

If so, then we have to ask was this change made due to Jessica Alba or was it changed as part of making the movie version since it was determined it didn't add any value to the story?

I'm not sure, but Frank Miller was co-director so I assume he was cool with it.

Originally Posted by tomdkat

I agree with you on this, piratehunter, but we don't know if this deviation from the original work was made for reasons similar to what you've been advocating (concern for the actor) or if the deviation was made in the interest of presenting the story as best as possible.

True.

-PH

[mighty mint]

Originally Posted by tomdkat

The question is: was it adjusted because of Jessica Alba? If so, can you post a link confirming this? If not, for all we know it was adjusted because the janitor through out the original screenplay by mistake and they forgot to put it back when the recreated it.

Peace...

I will look for a discussion link on this as I am sure that there are far more film-literate and up-to-date people on this site than me...I do recall an interview with the director and with Alba that stated the reason for this change fairly clearly - and I believe it was her. What other film has she been topless or nude in? Answer - none.

[Pirate]

Originally Posted by mighty mint

I will look for a discussion link on this as I am sure that there are far more film-literate and up-to-date people on this site than me...I do recall an interview with the director and with Alba that stated the reason for this change fairly clearly - and I believe it was her. What other film has she been topless or nude in? Answer - none.

Here is a liitle bit on this. It's from Alba, so I'm not sure how accurate it is.
http://movies.about.com/od/sincity/a...tyja032405.htm

-PH

[tomdkat]

Originally Posted by mighty mint

If we are talking about Sin City, the same film that I watched, there were alot of gratuitous things in it that didn't "add" particularly to the story...so...one extra pair of lovelies on the screen would not have mattered all that much but in doing what they did with Nancy's character they did not keep with the feel of Sin City..when everyone else is somewhat scantily clad everywhere else but in a strip club the main dancer is fully clothed, it seems a bit odd and out of place (IMHO).

Yep, I see what you mean but none of that tells us why that particular change was made. We can guess and speculate as long as we realize we're just guessing and speculating and haven't proven anything until we get some tangile evidence to set the record straight.

Would the extra features cover this deviation, perhaps?

Peace...

[mighty mint]

Originally Posted by piratehunter

I'm not sure, but Frank Miller was co-director so I assume he was cool with it.-PH

I believe that there always is some giving and taking - in the case of Sin City I think that they were going for a stacked Hollywood cast. With the rest of the gratuitous shots throughout the film one actress with a top on was not a big enough deal to risk losing one more big name for the credits.

[Pirate]

A quote from Alba:

As the daughter of conservative parents, Alba, whose grandparents did not even allow her to wear a bathing suit around the house, maintains a no-nudity clause in her contract, though she has claimed she had been willing to be nude in Sin City. She remarked of a GQ shoot in which she was scantily-clad:

"They didn't want me to wear the granny panties but I said, 'If I'm gonna be topless I need to wear granny panties."

-PH

[tomdkat]

Originally Posted by piratehunter

Here is a liitle bit on this. It's from Alba, so I'm not sure how accurate it is.
http://movies.about.com/od/sincity/a...tyja032405.htm

Piratehunter, U DA MAN!!!!

So, if this is accurate, Alba was down with going topless, at least, and had reservations about baring the booty. She was ok with baring the flesh, if Rodriguez wanted that and he felt it wasn't necessary. Sounds to me like Rodriguez made the change in the interest of telling the story in a "classy" way and changed how Nancy appeared on the stage, not Jessica Alba.

Peace...

[Pirate]

Originally Posted by tomdkat

Sounds to me like Rodriguez made the change in the interest of telling the story in a "classy" way and changed how Nancy appeared on the stage, not Jessica Alba.

Peace...

Which is why RR is one of my favorites.

-PH

[mighty mint]

The only thing more contradictory than Jessica Alba's acting skills versus her unbelievable popularity are the words that she says

“It [nudity] absolutely was an option. Robert said we could do it if we wanted to. Obviously it would have been more authentic. But I felt like dancing around with a lasso and chaps was going to be sexy enough. I think being nude for me would have been distracting. I really couldn’t be bottomless in front of my dad. He would really… I don’t know. He’d disown me or something. He’d freak out.”

Yeah, it REALLY sounded like a solid option that could have been pursued! As far as how it would have affected her acting abilities...well it couldn't have hurt her because no one would be seeing how much her acting sucked...they would all be looking at things elsewhere.

[tomdkat]

Originally Posted by piratehunter

A quote from Alba:

Where did you find this? I didn't see it in the article you linked to above.

Peace...

[Pirate]

Originally Posted by tomdkat

Where did you find this? I didn't see it in the article you linked to above.

Peace...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Alba

-PH

[mighty mint]

Originally Posted by tomdkat

Piratehunter, U DA MAN!!!!

So, if this is accurate, Alba was down with going topless, at least, and had reservations about baring the booty. She was ok with baring the flesh, if Rodriguez wanted that and he felt it wasn't necessary. Sounds to me like Rodriguez made the change in the interest of telling the story in a "classy" way and changed how Nancy appeared on the stage, not Jessica Alba.

Peace...

If this was in fact true it would have happened...you may say that I am assuming and projecting but I would bet everything I own and anything I could steal that if JA was truly okay with going topless in the film she would have been topless! That would have followed the comics almost to a T!!!

No sir, ther is NO WAY that you can convince me otherwise...it was NOT an option or it would have been taken.

[mighty mint]

Originally Posted by tomdkat

Where did you find this? I didn't see it in the article you linked to above.

Peace...

Like I said, there are others on the site far more film-literate than myself

[tomdkat]

Originally Posted by mighty mint

The only thing more contradictory than Jessica Alba's acting skills versus her unbelievable popularity are the words that she says

Contradictory? Her willingness to do it doesn't mean she would have been 100% comfortable with it, but she would have bit the bullet and done it anyway since she respected the story and the director. How is that contradictory?

Yeah, it REALLY sounded like a solid option that could have been pursued! As far as how it would have affected her acting abilities...well it couldn't have hurt her because no one would be seeing how much her acting sucked...they would all be looking at things elsewhere.

Well, when she was dancing she wasn't talking, just looking sexy when she danced. I'm not sure how much acting was at work during those parts.

When she had dialogue, she was clothed so maybe she needs clothes to remember her lines?

Peace...

[tomdkat]

Originally Posted by mighty mint

Like I said, there are others on the site far more film-literate than myself

Hey, I'm in the same boat as you, in this regard.

Peace...

[mighty mint]

Originally Posted by tomdkat

Sounds to me like Rodriguez made the change in the interest of telling the story in a "classy" way...

Tom...have YOU seen Sin City...if you have, read the above quote that you typed in and tell me that you are not laughing your ass of right now!!!

[mighty mint]

Originally Posted by tomdkat

Well, when she was dancing she wasn't talking, just looking sexy when she danced. I'm not sure how much acting was at work during those parts. When she had dialogue, she was clothed so maybe she needs clothes to remember her lines?

The contradiction I was talking about was how her acting skills and her popularity contradict all that is in the name of rationality...she is hot, so she is popular...NOT because she wows audiences throughout the world with her acting ability.

(see above quote for what "wows" audiences around the world )

[tomdkat]

Originally Posted by mighty mint

If this was in fact true it would have happened...you may say that I am assuming and projecting but I would bet everything I own and anything I could steal that if JA was truly okay with going topless in the film she would have been topless! That would have followed the comics almost to a T!!!

Well, if I understand it correctly, she would have had to be completely nude to have followed the comics and it sounds like she would have been willing to go topless and that's about it.

I'm saying you're assuming and speculating since you haven't provided any evidence supporting your assertion. My assertion is we can't draw any conclusions either way in this case since we don't have enough info. Piratehunter has provided a ton and it sounds like you don't trust her in the first article piratehunter linked to.

No sir, ther is NO WAY that you can convince me otherwise...it was NOT an option or it would have been taken.

Or maybe you just wished it would have been taken.

Peace...

[tomdkat]

Originally Posted by piratehunter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Alba

Thanks! You rock!

Peace...

[tomdkat]

Originally Posted by mighty mint

Tom...have YOU seen Sin City...if you have, read the above quote that you typed in and tell me that you are not laughing your ass of right now!!!

Yes, I've seen it and I even own it. I think it's a well done, classy film. No, I'm not laughing but you're laughing enough for the both of us.

Peace...

[tomdkat]

Originally Posted by mighty mint

The contradiction I was talking about was how her acting skills and her popularity contradict all that is in the name of rationality...she is hot, so she is popular...NOT because she wows audiences throughout the world with her acting ability.

Not true. She is popular because she is an award winning actress, unparalled in Hollywood today. She has received more Oscars than any other actress I've heard of.

You're just mistaken on this...

(just kidding, thanks for the clarificaton )

Peace...

[Pirate]

Nancy in the book:





-PH

[mighty mint]

Originally Posted by tomdkat

Well, if I understand it correctly, she would have had to be completely nude to have followed the comics and it sounds like she would have been willing to go topless and that's about it.

I'm saying you're assuming and speculating since you haven't provided any evidence supporting your assertion. My assertion is we can't draw any conclusions either way in this case since we don't have enough info. Piratehunter has provided a ton and it sounds like you don't trust her in the first article piratehunter linked to.

Or maybe you just wished it would have been taken.

Peace...

NOOO, what I AM saying is that RR would have wanted to stay as true to the material as possible and if in fact Alba WAS okay with going topless (compromising on the nudity / topless) as a director, he would have taken topless instead of nothing. Even though you seem to think PH is providing "proof" of a combined decision, from my perspective he is providing proof that in facts points to a lame excuse so that no one looks like a prude. Think about it...actress willing to go topless to make movie more authentic to source material vs. director making a decision to not take that option. COME ON!

Sorry, articles with lame interviews and rationale only provide proof of covering the truth of why the decision was made...(previously stated WITH clarity in article) Non-nudity clause RULED the day!! (and the decision )

[Pirate]

Originally Posted by mighty mint