XBOX 360 vs. PS3 vs. Wii: Game On! - Page 2

Bananaslug79 · 06-02-2005, 04:49 PM

Sounds like an attempt to try to keep costs down. It can't happen with the blaze of specs that Sony and MS put out there; machines as powerful as they claim can't come on the market for less than $300. Without a hard drive it can be sold for less, but that's just fairly stupid.

Ruined · 06-02-2005, 04:58 PM

Looks like XBOX360 will have the better CPU for Physics/AI. I am starting to think the better CPU period.

http://arstechnica.com/articles/paed...box360-2.ars/7

"At any rate, Playstation 3 fanboys shouldn't get all flush over the idea that the Xenon will struggle on non-graphics code. However bad off Xenon will be in that department, the PS3's Cell will probably be worse. The Cell has only one PPE to the Xenon's three, which means that developers will have to cram all their game control, AI, and physics code into at most two threads that are sharing a very narrow execution core with no instruction window. (Don't bother suggesting that the PS3 can use its SPEs for branch-intensive code, because the SPEs lack branch prediction entirely.) Furthermore, the PS3's L2 is only 512K, which is half the size of the Xenon's L2. So the PS3 doesn't get much help with branches in the cache department. In short, the PS3 may fare a bit worse than the Xenon on non-graphics code, but on the upside it will probably fare a bit better on graphics code because of the seven SPEs.

In sum, the Xenon will certainly make the Xbox 360 a 3D graphics powerhouse."

littlebib · 06-02-2005, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Damian

I just read over at Anandtech that the PS/3 will most likely NOT ship with a hard drive.

No bueno in my opinion.

I'm getting confused. Sony keeps saying that the PS3 is not a gaming machine, but a home entertainment machine. But, without a hard drive, that eliminates any DVR functionality. So, what you're left with is a HD DVD player that plays games. How is that not a 'gaming machine'? Or am I missing something here?

Damian · 06-02-2005, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by littlebib

I'm getting confused. Sony keeps saying that the PS3 is not a gaming machine, but a home entertainment machine. But, without a hard drive, that eliminates any DVR functionality. So, what you're left with is a HD DVD player that plays games. How is that not a 'gaming machine'? Or am I missing something here?

I think they're still trying to figure out which direction they want to take it.

Iguana Man · 06-02-2005, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruined

While the XBOX360 GPU doesn't have the brute force of the PS3 GPU, it is much more efficient for the task at hand, and therefore should produce superior performance and graphics quality.

DEAR GOD, HOW DID I MISS THIS! You realize what you are saying, don't you? More efficient = superior performance......

Better hope someone else doesn't see this....

(yeah...I know video vs. audio ain't the same...but I just HAD to!

)

LeCercleRouge · 08-07-2005, 03:33 AM

Xbox 360 wins.

When the PS2 launched in 2000 the system cost $100 more than a comparable DVD player but was worth it because DVD had been out for 3 years and there were plenty of titles to choose from, and better games and more movies were lined up until the end of time. You could get a 4x4 racing game, a memory card and Last of the Mohicans for an extra $85 The only other goods offered by the competition were Seaman and $100 N64 games.

When the PS3 launches in 2006, it will only play half the available HD movies, and cost at least $400, possibly $500 if bundled with crap accessories.

Add a movie and a game and the price goes up $90.

Oh, and the system outlook is about even with the competition. And the competition, you ask, what do they have for sale? They have better games (Gears of War, Halo 3, Kameo) and more services (Live, Marketplace) and better hardware, a five month head start, a single console to support instead of Sony's 3 and no format war to worry about.

What are the mascots and talking points for the PS3? The ghost of Betamax looms over the Blu-Ray section, and the spirit of forgotten peripherals warns you not to trip over PS2 hard-drives stacked on the floor. And Jak is playing Death, Jr. on his PSP.

EXCLUSIVE games for the PS3 from third parties, you ask? About 4. And these exlusive thrid-party games are exclusive in the way GTA and Resident Evil turned out to be.

So on March 15 I can pick up Genji, Snatch and a PS3 bundle for the after-tax price of $637, assuming I pre-ordered. Too bad I won’t be able to play Halo 3 or watch any Paramount, Warner, or Universal movies in high def. At least I can look forward to KillZone and MGS4 in 2007!

For about the same $600 you could buy an Xbox 360, Halo 3, and a dual-format HD-DVD player around October of 2006.

Sycho · 08-07-2005, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Iguana Man

DEAR GOD, HOW DID I MISS THIS! You realize what you are saying, don't you? More efficient = superior performance......

Better hope someone else doesn't see this....

(yeah...I know video vs. audio ain't the same...but I just HAD to!

)

thanks for pointing it out iggy

Iguana Man · 08-07-2005, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by LeCercleRouge

When the PS3 launches in 2006, it will only play half the available HD movies, and cost at least $400, possibly $500 if bundled with crap accessories.

Has anyone confirmed the price as yet? $400-$500 bucks?

Just curious.....

LeCercleRouge · 08-07-2005, 04:18 PM

from IGN.com

How much will the PlayStation 3 cost?
Unknown at this point, though Sony guru Ken Kutaragi has stated that "It will be expensive" -- so it will almost certainly be more than the sweet-spot launch price of $299. In a recent interview with Japanese economic website Tokyo Keizai, Kutaragi said the company wants "for consumers to think to themselves 'I will work more hours to buy one'. We want people to feel that they want it, irrespective of anything else."
...
also, the first Playstation was Yen 39800 when it released in OCT of 1994 ($400)

By July of the following year PlayStaion was dropped to (Yen 29800) and the US launch in SEPT of '95 was $300 or $350 with Ridge Racer.

I think PS3 will be around $400, but i don't know.

As for the $500 figure-this would be the usual Best Buy or Amazon.com price, also known as the ever infamous launch bundles, and would include an extra controller, HD A/V cables, and accessories.

elwood731 · 08-07-2005, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Iguana Man

Has anyone confirmed the price as yet? $400-$500 bucks?

Just curious.....

As so many things about the PS3, apparently, the price will likely reflect how well the 360 is doing. If the 360 is doing great, the PS3 will likely lauch at $300 at a huge loss to Sony (a la Microsoft). If the 360 fumbles, then they will likely launch it at $400.

Iguana Man · 08-07-2005, 08:43 PM

What was I thinking? Oh yeah, apparently I wasn't thinking (or should I say remembering).

I think I paid $400 for the Dreamcast.....

..... sorry fellas, my short term memory is just that...short term.

Bananaslug79 · 08-11-2005, 01:13 AM

I love watching this stuff and seeing the general consensus turn from "Sony destroys Microsoft" to "Microsoft bests Sony."

Iguana Man · 08-11-2005, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bananaslug79

I love watching this stuff and seeing the general consensus turn from "Sony destroys Microsoft" to "Microsoft bests Sony."

Hey now...that's not very politically correct! You left out "Revolution ROMPS MS & Sony"

Blu · 09-01-2005, 08:59 AM

wait wait wait...nintendo innovative?! All they have done with the cube is...shoddy sequels and even worse attempts at 'new' games...they should start making games for the 2 main consoles now and get used to it.

Ruined · 10-02-2005, 01:52 PM

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/09...s_6134710.html

"Analyst: Xbox 360 leads console wars through 2008

Piper Jaffray predicts hard-drive-equipped PSP in mid-2006, healthy growth for gaming industry through 2011.

In their latest gaming industry overview for investors, Piper Jaffray analysts Anthony Gikas and Stephanie Wissink are projecting continued growth for the industry, a new hard-drive-equipped PSP next year, Microsoft's Xbox 360 jumping out to an early lead in the console wars, and a less-than-revolutionary showing for the Revolution.

Starting with the home hardware, Gikas and Wissink released their sales projections for each system over the next three years. Through 2008, Gikas and Wissink expect Microsoft to sell 19.6 million Xbox 360 units, with the PlayStation 3 and Revolution trailing at 15.5 million and 5 million units, respectively. The estimates for both Sony and Nintendo's consoles are based on late 2006 releases for the systems. But while the PS3 is expected to accelerate quickly and lead all systems with 8.5 million units sold in 2008, the ambitious Revolution is listed as starting slow (500,000 units sold in 2006), and lagging behind its competition with 2 million and 3 million systems moved in 2007 and 2008, respectively.

Gikas and Wissink forecast a modest net increase in console sales, partly due to market cannibalization as the handheld sector catches fire. The analysts are projecting a 45 percent increase in handheld hardware sales for the next cycle (which runs through 2011). The combined Game Boy line (including the DS) is projected to have a banner 2005 with a whopping 7.5 million units sold compared to the PSP's projected 3.8 million, but the next three years will see Sony and Nintendo running neck and neck in the handheld business. Gikas and Wissink have the PSP and Game Boy lines both posting annual sales for 2006, 2007, and 2008 of 5.5 million, 5 million, and 6 million. One of the most interesting aspects of the pair's handheld projections is that the report mentions they're expecting Sony "to launch the next generation of its PSP (including an audio/video hard-drive) in mid-2006."

Software sales are likewise expected to jump significantly, with a projected 43 percent increase by 2008. In addition, Gikas and Wissink are expecting that new revenue streams like in-game advertising and online downloads will grow 500 percent, from under a quarter-billion in 2005 to $1.36 billion in 2008. They cautioned against short-term investing in publishers because of market volatility over the next 12 months, but reiterated their Outperform rating on major publishers like Electronic Arts, Activision, THQ, and Take-Two Interactive."

Surprising that the analysts are going this way.

Iguana Man · 10-02-2005, 03:00 PM

Why "suprising"?

Ruined · 10-02-2005, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Iguana Man

Why "suprising"?

I dunno I didn't think analysts would forecast xbox360 making such a big dent in PS3's market.

Iguana Man · 10-02-2005, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruined

I dunno I didn't think analysts would forecast xbox360 making such a big dent in PS3's market.

Well I did....360 will take over and while I still ain't a fan boy either way (not saying you are)...I think it's obvious 360 will rule.

Synaptic Flow · 10-05-2005, 05:35 AM

Nintendo has always had my heart because of the Metroid franchise, so the Revolution is an automatic buy. I don't know about the other systems and there (probably $400) price tags.

Engineer_J · 10-06-2005, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Iguana Man

Well I did....360 will take over and while I still ain't a fan boy either way (not saying you are)...I think it's obvious 360 will rule.

Obvious how? That all the Sony fans are suddenly going to jump ship? How so, the PS2 STILL out performs the XB, hell the PS1 outperformed the XB, why would it change now?

Iguana Man · 10-06-2005, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Engineer_J

Obvious how? That all the Sony fans are suddenly going to jump ship? How so, the PS2 STILL out performs the XB, hell the PS1 outperformed the XB, why would it change now?

Well, I was half playing but I do feel that this is the year for the 360. My gut says so.

littlebib · 10-06-2005, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Engineer_J

Obvious how? That all the Sony fans are suddenly going to jump ship? How so, the PS2 STILL out performs the XB, hell the PS1 outperformed the XB, why would it change now?

How does/did the PS1 outperform the Xbox?

So, based on your logic, why isn't Nintendo still ruling the world? The NES was THE system back in its day, and now Nintendo is quickly falling into obscurity - it seems that the Nintendo fans jumped ships long ago. With Microsoft coming out at least 6 months ahead of PS3, why wouldn't some of the Sony fans jump ship?

Iguana Man · 10-06-2005, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by littlebib

How does/did the PS1 outperform the Xbox?

Dude, I think he was half playing too...but I doubt I could be wrong.

Astrakan · 10-06-2005, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by littlebib

How does/did the PS1 outperform the Xbox?

He's probably referring to when the PS1 outsold the Xbox in Japan. It was a big deal on Nintendo boards last year or so.

KM

sub780lime · 01-05-2006, 09:36 PM

the PS3, even if it shows lower performance than the xbox, most likely will stay on top for the same reason the PS2 did even though the graphics were far better on xbox, it mass produces titles and it has a major following. i think xbox will now be in competition, but i still think the PS3 will do just fine no matter what the specs. the could repackage the PS2 with some new features and it would probably do aswell.

My question, how much are the HD DVD players expected to go for, how close to a PS3 will that be? it just makes me wonder if were going to get an HD player anyway, i could be cutting off some from the price of the system because i am getting both

littlebib · 03-06-2006, 06:22 PM

Looks like Sony has finally announced that the PS3 won't be ready in spring.

From an interview in Variety:

Quote:

Sony's new PlayStation 3 was widely expected to be introduced this spring, but will be delayed as the company fine-tunes the chips that are crucial to the success of the console's Blu-ray function.

The PlayStation 3 --- which is being called "the poor man's Blue-ray" --- is vital to Sony's plans because it plays Blu-ray discs as well as videogames.

Sony will roll out the PS3 by year end, in time for the holidays. If PS3 "delivers what everyone thinks it will, the game is up," Stringer boasts.

This isn't a true "release date announcement", but its at least from a larger publication and not some forum.

cplus1 · 03-06-2006, 06:46 PM

man... I wish sega never dropped out of the hardware wars.. the dreamcast was way ahead of its time(console wise), what-with seganet, voice chat, broadband connectivity, the external zipdrive was in development, VMUs,(say what you want about the VMUs but those were fantastic.. calling plays via the VMUs screen, etc, etc). I'm usually alone on this matter.. I still play the crap outta my DC. sega marine fishing anyone?

also.. am I the only one who doesnt watch DVDs on the ps2, xbox or xbox360? I doubt I'll use the PS3 to watch my blu-ray movies... hopefully LG will come out with their hd dvd/blu-ray player soon. its tough for me to see who'll win the format war this time around. last time it was easy.. dvd or divx... HA! *dopkicks circuit city in the nads* :flush:

06-02-2005, 04:49 PM	#51 (permalink)
Bananaslug79 Actor Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: The Land of Mary	Sounds like an attempt to try to keep costs down. It can't happen with the blaze of specs that Sony and MS put out there; machines as powerful as they claim can't come on the market for less than $300. Without a hard drive it can be sold for less, but that's just fairly stupid. __________________ -Spoon!

06-02-2005, 04:58 PM	#52 (permalink)
Ruined It's Good to Play Together Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: NJ, USA	Looks like XBOX360 will have the better CPU for Physics/AI. I am starting to think the better CPU period. http://arstechnica.com/articles/paed...box360-2.ars/7 "At any rate, Playstation 3 fanboys shouldn't get all flush over the idea that the Xenon will struggle on non-graphics code. However bad off Xenon will be in that department, the PS3's Cell will probably be worse. The Cell has only one PPE to the Xenon's three, which means that developers will have to cram all their game control, AI, and physics code into at most two threads that are sharing a very narrow execution core with no instruction window. (Don't bother suggesting that the PS3 can use its SPEs for branch-intensive code, because the SPEs lack branch prediction entirely.) Furthermore, the PS3's L2 is only 512K, which is half the size of the Xenon's L2. So the PS3 doesn't get much help with branches in the cache department. In short, the PS3 may fare a bit worse than the Xenon on non-graphics code, but on the upside it will probably fare a bit better on graphics code because of the seven SPEs. In sum, the Xenon will certainly make the Xbox 360 a 3D graphics powerhouse." __________________ For every shadow, no matter how deep, is threatened by morning light.

08-07-2005, 03:33 AM	#56 (permalink)
LeCercleRouge Actor Join Date: Dec 2003	Xbox 360 wins. When the PS2 launched in 2000 the system cost $100 more than a comparable DVD player but was worth it because DVD had been out for 3 years and there were plenty of titles to choose from, and better games and more movies were lined up until the end of time. You could get a 4x4 racing game, a memory card and Last of the Mohicans for an extra $85 The only other goods offered by the competition were Seaman and $100 N64 games. When the PS3 launches in 2006, it will only play half the available HD movies, and cost at least $400, possibly $500 if bundled with crap accessories. Add a movie and a game and the price goes up $90. Oh, and the system outlook is about even with the competition. And the competition, you ask, what do they have for sale? They have better games (Gears of War, Halo 3, Kameo) and more services (Live, Marketplace) and better hardware, a five month head start, a single console to support instead of Sony's 3 and no format war to worry about. What are the mascots and talking points for the PS3? The ghost of Betamax looms over the Blu-Ray section, and the spirit of forgotten peripherals warns you not to trip over PS2 hard-drives stacked on the floor. And Jak is playing Death, Jr. on his PSP. EXCLUSIVE games for the PS3 from third parties, you ask? About 4. And these exlusive thrid-party games are exclusive in the way GTA and Resident Evil turned out to be. So on March 15 I can pick up Genji, Snatch and a PS3 bundle for the after-tax price of $637, assuming I pre-ordered. Too bad I won’t be able to play Halo 3 or watch any Paramount, Warner, or Universal movies in high def. At least I can look forward to KillZone and MGS4 in 2007! For about the same $600 you could buy an Xbox 360, Halo 3, and a dual-format HD-DVD player around October of 2006. __________________ There Ain't No Sanity Clause

08-07-2005, 04:18 PM	#59 (permalink)
LeCercleRouge Actor Join Date: Dec 2003	from IGN.com How much will the PlayStation 3 cost? Unknown at this point, though Sony guru Ken Kutaragi has stated that "It will be expensive" -- so it will almost certainly be more than the sweet-spot launch price of $299. In a recent interview with Japanese economic website Tokyo Keizai, Kutaragi said the company wants "for consumers to think to themselves 'I will work more hours to buy one'. We want people to feel that they want it, irrespective of anything else." ... also, the first Playstation was Yen 39800 when it released in OCT of 1994 ($400) By July of the following year PlayStaion was dropped to (Yen 29800) and the US launch in SEPT of '95 was $300 or $350 with Ridge Racer. I think PS3 will be around $400, but i don't know. As for the $500 figure-this would be the usual Best Buy or Amazon.com price, also known as the ever infamous launch bundles, and would include an extra controller, HD A/V cables, and accessories. __________________ There Ain't No Sanity Clause Last edited by LeCercleRouge : 08-07-2005 at 04:39 PM.

08-07-2005, 08:43 PM	#61 (permalink)
Iguana Man Ex-BadHumor Man Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Jersey, USA	What was I thinking? Oh yeah, apparently I wasn't thinking (or should I say remembering). I think I paid $400 for the Dreamcast..... ..... sorry fellas, my short term memory is just that...short term. __________________ Get outside and have fun! Nacho Website Focus

08-11-2005, 01:13 AM	#62 (permalink)
Bananaslug79 Actor Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: The Land of Mary	I love watching this stuff and seeing the general consensus turn from "Sony destroys Microsoft" to "Microsoft bests Sony." __________________ -Spoon!

09-01-2005, 08:59 AM	#64 (permalink)
Blu Supporting Actor Join Date: Sep 2005	wait wait wait...nintendo innovative?! All they have done with the cube is...shoddy sequels and even worse attempts at 'new' games...they should start making games for the 2 main consoles now and get used to it.

10-02-2005, 01:52 PM	#65 (permalink)
Ruined It's Good to Play Together Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: NJ, USA	http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/09...s_6134710.html "Analyst: Xbox 360 leads console wars through 2008 Piper Jaffray predicts hard-drive-equipped PSP in mid-2006, healthy growth for gaming industry through 2011. In their latest gaming industry overview for investors, Piper Jaffray analysts Anthony Gikas and Stephanie Wissink are projecting continued growth for the industry, a new hard-drive-equipped PSP next year, Microsoft's Xbox 360 jumping out to an early lead in the console wars, and a less-than-revolutionary showing for the Revolution. Starting with the home hardware, Gikas and Wissink released their sales projections for each system over the next three years. Through 2008, Gikas and Wissink expect Microsoft to sell 19.6 million Xbox 360 units, with the PlayStation 3 and Revolution trailing at 15.5 million and 5 million units, respectively. The estimates for both Sony and Nintendo's consoles are based on late 2006 releases for the systems. But while the PS3 is expected to accelerate quickly and lead all systems with 8.5 million units sold in 2008, the ambitious Revolution is listed as starting slow (500,000 units sold in 2006), and lagging behind its competition with 2 million and 3 million systems moved in 2007 and 2008, respectively. Gikas and Wissink forecast a modest net increase in console sales, partly due to market cannibalization as the handheld sector catches fire. The analysts are projecting a 45 percent increase in handheld hardware sales for the next cycle (which runs through 2011). The combined Game Boy line (including the DS) is projected to have a banner 2005 with a whopping 7.5 million units sold compared to the PSP's projected 3.8 million, but the next three years will see Sony and Nintendo running neck and neck in the handheld business. Gikas and Wissink have the PSP and Game Boy lines both posting annual sales for 2006, 2007, and 2008 of 5.5 million, 5 million, and 6 million. One of the most interesting aspects of the pair's handheld projections is that the report mentions they're expecting Sony "to launch the next generation of its PSP (including an audio/video hard-drive) in mid-2006." Software sales are likewise expected to jump significantly, with a projected 43 percent increase by 2008. In addition, Gikas and Wissink are expecting that new revenue streams like in-game advertising and online downloads will grow 500 percent, from under a quarter-billion in 2005 to $1.36 billion in 2008. They cautioned against short-term investing in publishers because of market volatility over the next 12 months, but reiterated their Outperform rating on major publishers like Electronic Arts, Activision, THQ, and Take-Two Interactive." Surprising that the analysts are going this way. __________________ For every shadow, no matter how deep, is threatened by morning light.

10-02-2005, 03:00 PM	#66 (permalink)
Iguana Man Ex-BadHumor Man Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Jersey, USA	Why "suprising"? __________________ Get outside and have fun! Nacho Website Focus

10-05-2005, 05:35 AM	#69 (permalink)
Synaptic Flow Actor Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Chattanooga, Tennessee	Nintendo has always had my heart because of the Metroid franchise, so the Revolution is an automatic buy. I don't know about the other systems and there (probably $400) price tags.

01-05-2006, 09:36 PM	#75 (permalink)
sub780lime Can't Spell Bilbo Join Date: May 2002 Location: A Galaxy Far Far Away	the PS3, even if it shows lower performance than the xbox, most likely will stay on top for the same reason the PS2 did even though the graphics were far better on xbox, it mass produces titles and it has a major following. i think xbox will now be in competition, but i still think the PS3 will do just fine no matter what the specs. the could repackage the PS2 with some new features and it would probably do aswell. My question, how much are the HD DVD players expected to go for, how close to a PS3 will that be? it just makes me wonder if were going to get an HD player anyway, i could be cutting off some from the price of the system because i am getting both __________________ "1You live in a cave? 2It's a lair." "That's the most disgustingly clever tattoo I've ever seen"

03-06-2006, 06:46 PM	#77 (permalink)
cplus1 Actor Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Dirty Jersey	man... I wish sega never dropped out of the hardware wars.. the dreamcast was way ahead of its time(console wise), what-with seganet, voice chat, broadband connectivity, the external zipdrive was in development, VMUs,(say what you want about the VMUs but those were fantastic.. calling plays via the VMUs screen, etc, etc). I'm usually alone on this matter.. I still play the crap outta my DC. sega marine fishing anyone? also.. am I the only one who doesnt watch DVDs on the ps2, xbox or xbox360? I doubt I'll use the PS3 to watch my blu-ray movies... hopefully LG will come out with their hd dvd/blu-ray player soon. its tough for me to see who'll win the format war this time around. last time it was easy.. dvd or divx... HA! dopkicks circuit city in the nads :flush: __________________ LouSpace "Art is not truth. Art is a lie that makes you realize truth"- Picasso