PS3 will xxx get a price reduction..

[Iguana Man]

Well so much for the hopes of getting a PS3 at a cheaper price.

Bummer!

The article also says we are ALL going TO DIE!!! BWAH-HAW-HAW-HAW!!!

Ok...you ain't gonna die, but hey....

[MooglePorn]

There's an image from a reliable source of post-E3 ads having the PS3 at $500... I would bet they're denying it now to announce it at E3.

[umainebearman]

It wouldn't need a price reduction if they weren't forcing an under used optical drive on you. But it's the only way they are going to compete with MS and Mario. Nintendo has already proven less is more and MS just has a better over all system. Sony seems to be a little to stubborn to realize that.

[umainebearman]

I wish I had the link but looks like somewhere in California (yeah this isn't to vague) a Target has already started selling reduced priced ps 3s.

[187ontheVHS]

http://kotaku.com/gaming/we.re-slash...dle-276091.php

[ganthc]

The fact that you can get a larger hard drive and Motorstorm for the same price as a 60gb right now sounds like a good deal.

[SilentBob]

Or with that extra money do what others have done and buy a laptop harddrive that is around 200-300 GB for about the same price. MotorStorm up here in Canada has been sort of been bundled with the system for a while now at Future Shop and/or Best Buy. (Resistance is the other game they usually have with it as well)

[Iguana Man]

This threads title should be changed to reflect this latest news.

"Sony changes their mind on a PS3 price reduction"

[MrE26]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/movers-and-...208171-8631367
Looks like today's drop has had quite an impact.

There's an announcement due about the European price later in the week. If Sony drops it to £300 then they've got a sale right here. The current £425 ($850) price point is ridiculous.

[billnye97]

Its quite the deal for $500 plus the 5 free Blu Ray discs that they are offering by mail.

[umainebearman]

Maybe if they throw in a Toshiba 42 inch lcd I'll get one.

[MooglePorn]

There's a rumor going around the $500 60GB model will be phased out over the next month before the 80GB launches...

Sony must be the most retarded company ever if it's true.

[Ruined]

Interesting. Since Sony is discontinuing the 60gb model after stock runs out, this is just like they did with the 20gb model at launch!

It makes sense, too, because the 60gb likely costs them more due to having hardware BC with PS2 unlike the 80GB model

[ganthc]

Originally Posted by MooglePorn

There's a rumor going around the $500 60GB model will be phased out over the next month before the 80GB launches...

Sony must be the most retarded company ever if it's true.

I bet the rumor is out there to generate sales of the 60gb ps3. Especially with the package that's being offered with it, the sales are already high on amazon. Hearing that it might not last may drive sales even higher. Genius rumor mill marketing if that is the case.

[MrE26]

Originally Posted by MrE26

There's an announcement due about the European price later in the week. If Sony drops it to £300 then they've got a sale right here. The current £425 ($850) price point is ridiculous.

And rather than drop our price, we get the same old 60GB with 2 games bundled and an extra pad for the same ridiculous price of $850.
Sony seem intent on treating Europe like total shit it seems.

[MooglePorn]

The system is selling well there from what I heard, so I imagine they feel no need to make steps. The 360 sells for like $200 in Japan.

People probably would rather have the hardware BC on the 60GB model but doesn't software BC work fine on the PAL model? Last I heard pretty much every game worth a damn worked fine.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by MooglePorn

People probably would rather have the hardware BC on the 60GB model but doesn't software BC work fine on the PAL model? Last I heard pretty much every game worth a damn worked fine.

There are a crapload of compatibility problems and games that don't run right on the PS3 80GB/PAL machine, not unlike the XBOX 360.

The main difference is that Microsoft won't let you play the buggy games at all while Sony gives you access to play games that don't run right.

[ganthc]

Originally Posted by Ruined

There are a crapload of compatibility problems and games that don't run right on the PS3 80GB/PAL machine, not unlike the XBOX 360.

The main difference is that Microsoft won't let you play the buggy games at all while Sony gives you access to play games that don't run right.

http://www.betanews.com/article/80GB...ble/1184089860

I'm assuming you mean this story. But there is one caveat:

...Sony's own PAL-formatted systems in Europe, backward compatibility will likely be achieved through a periodic system update.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by ganthc

http://www.betanews.com/article/80GB...ble/1184089860

I'm assuming you mean this story. But there is one caveat:

Of course, the 360 backwards compatibility is updated via system updates in the same way. That doesn't necessarily mean that the PS3 80GB will ever be as good as PS3 60GB in some games - sometimes software emulation can only go so far.

Originally Posted by ganthc

I bet the rumor is out there to generate sales of the 60gb ps3. Especially with the package that's being offered with it, the sales are already high on amazon. Hearing that it might not last may drive sales even higher. Genius rumor mill marketing if that is the case.

Nah, in reality it is in Sony's best interests to eliminate the 60GB model ASAP. The 60GB PS3 actually costs *more* to make than the 80GB PS3 - mainly because there is little to no difference in price between an 80gb and 60gb hard drive, but it is significantly more expensive to include the PS2 chip in the 60GB. Therefore it does not make good business sense to sell a console that costs you more to make for less money for an extended period of time. Once they dump their inventory of the 60GB, it would actually be cheaper for them to price the 80GB model at $499 than to keep the 60GB model around at that price.

[ganthc]

Originally Posted by Ruined

Of course, the 360 backwards compatibility is updated via system updates in the same way. That doesn't necessarily mean that the PS3 80GB will ever be as good as PS3 60GB in some games - sometimes software emulation can only go so far.

Perhaps. It seems premature to say that it will do a sucky job before it's even out and tested. Your use of "crapload of compatibility problems" seems to be unknown a this point. At least for the ps3 so far, Sony has been responsive and somewhat timely on their updates to improve their machine.

Nah, in reality it is in Sony's best interests to eliminate the 60GB model ASAP. The 60GB PS3 actually costs *more* to make than the 80GB PS3 - mainly because there is little to no difference in price between an 80gb and 60gb hard drive, but it is significantly more expensive to include the PS2 chip in the 60GB. Therefore it does not make good business sense to sell a console that costs you more to make for less money for an extended period of time. Once they dump their inventory of the 60GB, it would actually be cheaper for them to price the 80GB model at $499 than to keep the 60GB model around at that price.

How expensive can that chip really be? I don't think it's that much, but removing it probably does allow for what you suggest...for the 80gb to eventually fall to the price of $499. I'm sure there will be a 140 gb machine at some point that will be priced higher and eventually fall in price at a later time. But at this point, it's just a rumor...but a rumor that will drive sales potentially.

[Ruined]

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6175011...stnews;title;3

[Iguana Man]

"We have will have ample supplies of both models to meet the needs of our consumers for the foreseeable future."

Why does this strike a funny chord in me? WHY?





It's all fun fellas...all fun.

[MooglePorn]

I would really advise anyone on the fence about a PS3 to get one before the 60GB's are gone... The software BC in the 80GB will suck balls if the current emulation list is any sign... games like Final Fantasy VII aren't even on there, and most games have "some problems"...

We supported MS despite their crap BC so Sony realizes they can fuck us over on it as well.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by MooglePorn

I would really advise anyone on the fence about a PS3 to get one before the 60GB's are gone... The software BC in the 80GB will suck balls if the current emulation list is any sign... games like Final Fantasy VII aren't even on there, and most games have "some problems"...

That being the case, the 60gb PS3 has a Controller disconnect/desync problem that looks like it is fixed in the 80gb model by hardware modification to the bluetooth antenna. So its not such a clean-cut decision IMO.

Myself, I decided I will stick with my XBOX 360 + PS2 to cover current and last-gen as I feel $499 is too expensive to get exactly the same thing as the XBOX 360 - especially with the apparent wireless controller problems not to mention the fact that PS3 appears to have little to no third party exclusives unlike last generation.

[MooglePorn]

I never have any controller problems, I think that's quite rare if not already fixed with firmware like the scaling and BC.

As for exclusives, that should have "...right now" at the end of it. God of War 3? MGS4 (confirmed as exclusive at E3)? Final Fantasy XIII and Versus XIII (also recently reconfirmed as exclusive)? Gran Turismo 5? Ratchet and Clank Future? Drake's Fortune? Heavenly Sword? Lair? White Night Story? Killzone 2? Not to mention the already released Ninja Gaide Sigma, Resistance and Motorstorm (the only games I won admittedly).

PS3 has a nice future with exclusives, they just need to freakin' come out!

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by MooglePorn

As for exclusives, that should have "...right now" at the end of it. God of War 3? MGS4 (confirmed as exclusive at E3)? Final Fantasy XIII and Versus XIII (also recently reconfirmed as exclusive)? Gran Turismo 5? Ratchet and Clank Future? Drake's Fortune? Heavenly Sword? Lair? White Night Story? Killzone 2? Not to mention the already released Ninja Gaide Sigma, Resistance and Motorstorm (the only games I won admittedly).

PS3 has a nice future with exclusives, they just need to freakin' come out!

Note that I said third party exclusives, and most of what you listed is 1st or 2nd party.

Still, it is a list that is easily comparable on 360.
MGS4 is most likely going to 360 despite E3 posturing just like MGS2 went to XBOX1; Konami can't legally announce MGS4 for 360 until their time-based exclusivity contract is up with Sony. Gran Turismo 5 is cancelled out by Forza Motorsport 2 (and Forza1 was arguably a better game than GT4 as per pro reviewers). Lets not forget PGR4 also. Killzone 2 easily cancelled out and 1upped by Halo 3 and Gears of War. Ratchet and Clank on PS3? Kameo, Banjo Kazooie 3 exclusive to 360. Final Fantasy XIII on PS3? Lost Odyssey exclusive to 360. White Night Story on PS3? Blue Dragon exclusive to 360. Oh, and Mass Effect too in case you want a different style RPG. Also, Drake's Fortune looks absolutely nothing like Far Cry. Not.

So then you have these unique games, which I will spare comparisons for:
Heavenly Sword
Lair

Is that worth $500? Personally, I don't think so. 360 not only has more games but it has more and better exclusives, too. Heck, you can't even get sequels to PS2 franchises like Ace Combat and Katamari Damacy on PS3 anymore, as even they are exclusive to 360.

I know I can only play so many games due to real life responsibilities (I'm 28). Maybe if you dont have many responsibilities $500 for virtually the exact same 3rd party games games and a whole lot less exclusives might sound like a deal... Or if you are simply a kid. But for me, that sounds like a giant waste of cash. Bottom line, 360 has so many awesome games and exclusives that the few 1st/2nd party exclusives that PS3 has just don't seem worth the entry price.

I never have any controller problems, I think that's quite rare if not already fixed with firmware like the scaling and BC.

Not so rare, and not so fixed apparently:

PS3 Controller disconnecting/desyncing across the internet, and not fixed by firmware
http://cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130437
http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3155392
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...ght=Controller
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129533
http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?p=8704955
http://boardsus.playstation.com/play...sage.id=789239
http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=70941
http://www.aeropause.com/archives/20...is_freakin.php
http://www.pc-doc.com/?p=150
http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Sto...034.htm?Page=1

The fix for the problem appears to be the new, modified Bluetooth antenna they put in the 80gb model - leaving 20gb/60gb owners SOL if they experience this.