Ps3 80gb Backward Compatibily Question

[Jeff003]

I've heard that this new playstation doesn't play any ps2 games but then I go to Sonys website and search ps2 games it will play and it says they will work on it.I thought only the 60gb was Bc but maybe I was wrong.

http://www.us.playstation.com/Support/CompatibleStatus

[MooglePorn]

The 60GB has hardware BC, the 80GB has half hardware and half software.

The upcomming 40GB will have, supposedly, neither. Could change though, no US announcements have been made and a software solution could come later.

360 has shown BC is less important than we'd like, unfortunately.

[Titleist]

It's still a feature that COULD be included, they just don't which is odd. I think I'm gonna take the PS3 plunge in november when they hit 400 bucks.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by Jeff003

I've heard that this new playstation doesn't play any ps2 games but then I go to Sonys website and search ps2 games it will play and it says they will work on it.I thought only the 60gb was Bc but maybe I was wrong.

http://www.us.playstation.com/Support/CompatibleStatus

Here's the breakdown:

20gb/60gb - virtually full backwards compatibility (PS2 CPU/GPU onboard)
80gb - poor backwards compatibility, many glitches/problems (PS2 GPU only)
40gb - no backwards compatibility (no PS2 hardware)

Microsoft managed to get backwards compatibility working in 360 despite no XBOX1 hardware, but then again MS has significantly more talent and knowledge in this area than Sony.

[umainebearman]

So what Sony is saying here is backwards compatibility is worth $100?? Am I wrong? Or is it 40 gigs and BC is worth $100??

[MooglePorn]

Originally Posted by Ruined

Microsoft managed to get backwards compatibility working in 360 despite no XBOX1 hardware, but then again MS has significantly more talent and knowledge in this area than Sony.

Microsoft managed to get it working on like 30% of their catalogue last I read, many of those having severe glitches or even unplayable framerates. There are several Xbox games I rebought on PS2 so I could play them without 10fps half the time.

Anyway, US $400 PS3 was confirmed today and still no BC... The $500 remains though with the software emulation. I have a feeling there will always be an SKU with BC on the market.

[Astrakan]

Originally Posted by MooglePorn

Microsoft managed to get it working on like 30% of their catalogue last I read, many of those having severe glitches or even unplayable framerates.

It's just under 50% now. The last BC update was in July, not sure when the next one will come. Hopefully before Christmas. I'm still holding out hope for Pro Challenge Fishing.

As for the glitches, I've heard the same. I've only played 10-15 Xbox titles on my 360, which all worked fine, so I haven't experienced any problems and can't really comment on how severe they are.

KM

[MooglePorn]

One that bugged me a lot was Grand Theft Auto Vice City... framerate was BAD. Like... unplayable bad.

Mercenaries is another.

[Astrakan]

Originally Posted by MooglePorn

One that bugged me a lot was Grand Theft Auto Vice City... framerate was BAD. Like... unplayable bad.

Mercenaries is another.

Never tried either. Although I've been eyeing Mercenaries... disappointing to hear it's not up to snuff. What was the problem with it? Framerate too?

KM

[MooglePorn]

Actually Mercenaries freezes randomly, and there are other glitches... Freezing was the main one I encountered. The gamefaqs board on Mercenaries is basically a swamp of complaints about its BC though.

Most 360 games work fine I should say, probably the vast majority, but there are key titles that have some significant problems. Everything I throw at my Wii and PS3 works perfectly... shame the Sony idiots got rid of BC for the new hardware, since it is so awesome.

[littlebib]

Originally Posted by MooglePorn

... shame the Sony idiots got rid of BC for the new hardware, since it is so awesome.

Especially with how well the PS2 continues to sell, you would think they would want to tap into that market. I guess they're figuring people will just have two PS consoles hooked up to their TV.

[Jeff003]

Hopefully they will continue making the ps2 for many years for that reason.I have a lot of ps2 games I love and thou they will play on my 60gb ps3 I think these are being phased out to make room for the newer models but as long as they keep making ps2's I will be happy.Also I wonder when the price on the ps2 is going to drop since the ps3 is being sold.

[Titleist]

I think that thing that's disconcerting is that Sony is slashing prices and features to appear competitive, while of course Nintendo is still just doing it's thing and selling the pants off everyone. The separation between Sony and Microsoft is that MS has been cutting prices while still keeping features and in fact adding more and more.

Now don't take that as me bashing Sony, what I'm saying is that Sony feels like a boat that's taking on water out at sea. Instead of plugging the holes they're ditching weight but at the cost of features, like throwing away your oars and sail. It's all a temporary fix for longer reaching problems. If I were Sony I'd be doing my hardest to get quality games out that weren't ports or cross platform games. I think the biggest problem has been that from the launch of the PS3 that the saving grace games like FF and MGS4 were always around the corner. Like promising people on the shore that there's a rescue boat JUST over the horizon. Especially with games with no tangible release date, 2008 just isn't cutting it as an answer these days.

Moogle you and I have debated the problems of the PS3, trust me...I really want to buy one just to finally dick around with Sony's new system. I really want the 400 dollar system, but there just aren't games out there that make me justify the 400 bucks. Nothing comes close to a system seller. I think that's the problem.

Back full circle I think cutting out backwards compatibility is a shocking turn of events because it's like one of the really strong points about the PS3, that it handles previous games for the PS2 well. It's like me saying I can sell you a Ferrari for under 25K, but you don't get a roof or doors with it now, oh and it's not painted. It seems like at this point stripping features isn't exactly how you're going to get people on the fence on to the PS3's side.

[Jeff003]

Speaking of Nintendo the Wiis are still sold out in all the stores in my area.I don't plan on buying one but I've noticed this.Out of all the stores in my area Bestbuy,Target,Kmart and Walmart their all sold out.I have no interest in the wii.I'm just fascinated because they continuesly sell out.Also regarding Sony I can't wait for the rumble controller to come out for the ps3 next year.

[MooglePorn]

Originally Posted by Titleist

Moogle you and I have debated the problems of the PS3, trust me...I really want to buy one just to finally dick around with Sony's new system. I really want the 400 dollar system, but there just aren't games out there that make me justify the 400 bucks. Nothing comes close to a system seller. I think that's the problem.

If there's honestly no games on it you really want then you would be an idiot to buy it. For me there are already several and a couple more coming before Xmas, but tastes are different.

[Moonraker]

I think the games for PS3 were slow to come, but they have a bunch of great games out this fall. One particular game that I want above all others is Uncharted, which looks to have great voice acting, great story, and amazing gameplay.

[MooglePorn]

Yeah, everytime I see new Uncharted screens I drool.

I think Heavenly Sword, Resistance and the new Ratchet and Clank are all must-play games for the hardcore gamer as well, all three of them are easily AAA titles and were even reviewed very, very well for the most part.

The PS3 was slow to get started, but so was the PS2, and honestly so was the 360. People forget it took the 360 a year to put out most of it's awesome games, and looking at the PS3's second year it will be no different. I said it before, but PS3 fucking owns '08 right now as far as software is concerned... the new EGM has a large preview section of next year titles and 90% of the awesome ones are PS3 exclusives.

[wynterfire]

One of our second shift guys asked the Sony rep about the new 40gb PS3's and the rep told him that the 80 gig is 75% backward compatable and the 40 is not at all.

[Rileydog]

So, how is it as a Blue Ray player?

I finally decided after many months to go BDP, bought the Samsung BDP 1400, but everyone kept asking me t Best Buy why I didnt just get a PS3.

The Samsung was 450 while this new 80 Gig PS3 is 500.

Does it do just as good a job playing movies?

The specs on the BB site say it is full 1080p and can play all old PS 1 and 2 games, plus upconvert old DVD and play CD's.

I almost dont wanna open the Samsung and already go take it back cause hell, for 50 bucks for I can get a gaming system that displays the games in 1080p and is HDMI capable out of the box.

What audio forms does it support- it says DD and DTS 5.1, but what about Dolby True HD and DTS True HD?

Thanks fro a quick reply as I may do the exchange tomorrow.

[MooglePorn]

PS3 is awesome as a BD player, largely regarded as the best on the market. There is some audio it doesn't support, I don't know which (I'm not an audio guy) bit the picture quality is superb, the interface is smooth, it will always be well supported with firmware, and the machine is rock solid, quiet and cool.

It should definately be a no-brainer unless you're like PirateHat and you irrationally need a stand-alone player.

[Rileydog]

Well I did it- went back and returned the Samsung BDP-1400 and got the
80gb PS3.

I was easy to connect out of the box, but took a real long time doing the initial system update to 1.93 version. Then, it came with Motor Storm and that had its own update to make it 1080p (instead of 720p on the box) that took a while.

After taking it out of the box at 9:30 last night and having it hooked up to my system by 10, I didnt actually get to play a game till midnight with all the system update downloads, setting up the wireless, charging the controller, etc.

But, in the end I did like the graphics and played the game 3 times.

I got the mail in rebate for the 5 free Blu Ray movies- chose POCMC, Patriot, Devils Rejects, Chain Reaction, and Full Metal Jacket.

But, I lost the 2 in store on the spot with the Smasung so i had to give back 300 and Superman Returns.

The Monster Cable I bought had a rebate to Disney, so I picked Gone in 60 Seconds as my first choice, then Pearl Harbor, then Chicken Little.

The only discs I bought were the Spiderman Box Set. Havent watched them yet to see how the movies look.

QUESTION #1: The internet connection allows me to surf the net on any webpage I want to look at, correct?

Where can i get a wireless or blue tooth enabled mouse or keyboard so i dont have to type on the friggin controller anymore?

QUESTION #2- What games are good as far as role playing / FPS? I looked at Heavenly Sword, Lair, and the Clive Barker one. Like I said ealier, I am not really into the system for the games since I love the 360 and feel they have a much better selection, but bought it cause if I was going for a quality BDP, why not get the gaming as a bonus.

[ganthc]

The only audio format that the ps3 doesn't support is dts-hd master audio. At this point, no other player really supports it either, with maybe the exception of the hd-xa2. In answer to #1, you can surf on the web with the ps3. Not sure how or if plug-ins work, but you can visit other pages. I think you can use any blue-tooth enabled keyboard and mouse from Logitech. But it is a bit pricey. In answer to #2, try Resistance: Fall of Man for a good FPS game. Moogle can probably give you other suggestions.

[Sehnzeleid]

Originally Posted by ganthc

The only audio format that the ps3 doesn't support is dts-hd master audio.

...and DTS-HD.

[MooglePorn]

RPG and FPS that are PS3 exclusive?

I guess that leaves Resistance: Fall of Man and Folklore.

The best exclusives as of right now are Ratchet and Clank Future and Heavenly Sword, but those are both 3rd person action games.

Ninja Gaiden Sigma is cool too, though if you have the Xbox version you might not care much (though it does look a lot better).

Download the new Uncharted: Drake's Fortune trailer on the PSN though and you will drool like a baby.

Also: Haze, probably one of the best FPSs of the year, is a PS3 exclusive and comes out November 20th.

Other PS3 games I own: Oblivion (better version), Spider-Man 3 (exclusive content) and Warhawk (online only, 3rd person, barely played it).

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by ganthc

The only audio format that the ps3 doesn't support is dts-hd master audio. At this point, no other player really supports it either, with maybe the exception of the hd-xa2.

Only players I know of support DTS-HDMA right now via bitstream:
Toshiba HD-A35 HD DVD Player
Integra DHS-8.8 HD DVD Player
Onkyo DV-HD835 HD DVD Player
Panasonic DMP-BD30K Blu-Ray Player
Samsung BD-P1400 Blu-Ray Player

Also, there is a firmware upgrade coming for the Toshiba HD-XA2 within the next month that will enable bitstream DTS-HDMA output for that player as well. All six of these players require a DTS-HDMA receiver, however, to decode the bitstream in full resolution.

Toshiba has hinted that the HD-XA3 to be released in 2008 will contain both internal decoding for DTS-HDMA and bitstream output (in addition to speedier general operation), so that player should be worth looking forward to for virtually all users as it covers all bases.

The PS3 may also be able to internally decode DTS-HDMA with a FW upgrade, although it will never be able to pass any of these formats bitstream to a receiver due to a hardware limitation in its HDMI chip (at least for the 20gb/60gb models its impossible, its possible they may have changed chipsets for the 80gb/40gb models).

[EM3]

So is there an updated list of the PSOne and PS2 games that still don't work on the PS3 or do I have to use that one link provided to search title by title?