Rumours of a bigger PS3!

[EM3]

Found this on Endgaget for what it's worth.

According to Ars Technica, Sony has some big plans for a PlayStation 3 refresh, starting with a phase-out of the 80GB model. According to an "inside source" -- which Ars claims has been consistently right on video game-related predictions -- the console-maker's new plot is starting to take shape, holding fast to a two-SKU approach on packages, upping the hard drive capacity on systems, and including the Dual Shock 3 controller. The new bundles will take the high / low road, with the source stating that the 40GB model will remain on shelves, while the 80GB, Spider-Man 3-inclusive system will disappear, only to be replaced with a 120GB or 160GB configuration. Of course, right now these are just words on a screen, though in light of Best Buy's recent stock changes, there certainly is an air of movement over at Sony.

[umainebearman]

Slowly moving into a systems that they can charge $599 for again. Or do we think that that 120 gig version is gonna stay at $399 or lower?

[Mr. Furious]

I'm not really sure where they're going with this. They've really got two issues right now:

1) Primary use as a BluRay player/Media Center device - people using it for this aren't going to really be able to use more disk storage (or even care). Unless you're ripping CDs to it, I can't see much benefit to increased hardware. This is especially true considering there is no Sony exquivalent of the download service MS offers. Any additional changes will just increase costs which doesn't make sense. That means the changes are primarily aimed at the gaming segment.

2) Primary use as a Gaming console - People who primarily buy the PS3 as a gaming console will take advantage of more storage and capabilities. However, the success of the Wii at a low price point speaks volumes about consumers abilities to kick out $600 for a gaming console. Additionally, the PS3's weaknesses have less to do with its storage and performance and more to do with the lack of awesome exclusives. It may have to do with programming difficulties, licensing, or some other area. However, Sony would be better suited to working on those issues rather than increasing capabilities. People who aren't buying a PS3 aren't buying because it's hardware isn't "just right". They're avoiding it because the games suck.

[Ruined]

IMO, this is not a great idea. Bigger and better didn't work for PS3 since launch, I don't see why it would work now. They need to get the price down more and get more system-selling exclusives if they want to compete with 360 and Wii, period.

[EM3]

Pricing is the main reason why I never bought one to begin with.

[ganthc]

Well, they could keep the 40gb at $299 and sell the 120gb one for $399 and people will automatically take the 120gb one. I doubt the hard drive costs them that much more for the space, but they get a higher return on the platform.

But yeah, it's not the price, it's the lack of games. And their games don't suck, they just don't have a lot of them.

[MooglePorn]

I still don't get the whole "it doesn't have any games" arguement... it's completely alien to me. I own 16 PS3 games, and that's on top of like 30 360 games... Am I a hardcore gamer? Yeah, sure... but that doesn't mean I buy any old crappy game.

PS3 has some stunning exclusives.

[EM3]

Originally Posted by MooglePorn

I still don't get the whole "it doesn't have any games" arguement... it's completely alien to me. I own 16 PS3 games, and that's on top of like 30 360 games... Am I a hardcore gamer? Yeah, sure... but that doesn't mean I buy any old crappy game.

PS3 has some stunning exclusives.

No sir it means you have diversified taste and refuse to be labeled.

[Derb]

Originally Posted by MooglePorn

I still don't get the whole "it doesn't have any games" arguement... it's completely alien to me. I own 16 PS3 games, and that's on top of like 30 360 games... Am I a hardcore gamer? Yeah, sure... but that doesn't mean I buy any old crappy game.

PS3 has some stunning exclusives.

Couldn't have worded it better, so I won't try.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by MooglePorn

I still don't get the whole "it doesn't have any games" arguement... it's completely alien to me. I own 16 PS3 games, and that's on top of like 30 360 games... Am I a hardcore gamer? Yeah, sure... but that doesn't mean I buy any old crappy game.

PS3 has some stunning exclusives.

But the 360 has many, many more of them, hence the no games argument. If 360 did not exist PS3 might look more attractive than it does now.

[sub780lime]

Originally Posted by MooglePorn

I still don't get the whole "it doesn't have any games" arguement... it's completely alien to me. I own 16 PS3 games, and that's on top of like 30 360 games... Am I a hardcore gamer? Yeah, sure... but that doesn't mean I buy any old crappy game.

PS3 has some stunning exclusives.

Maybe I am not a hardcore gamer...but I have not seen one game so far that I want to play. Interestingly enough, there are a few games that I would give a rental if they were on 360, such as Drakes...but other then that one...nothing to me.

[EM3]

Originally Posted by Ruined

But the 360 has many, many more of them, hence the no games argument. If 360 did not exist PS3 might look more attractive than it does now.

I swore I wasn't going to do this but I can't help it. The 360 has about a year jump start on the PS3. So it has more software both good titles and bad ones.

That second statement is just (how do I phrase this nicely) stupid. Example of ruineds statement when using a woman. If there were only one woman left on the face of the earth she would look more attractive.

I now remove myself from this discussion!

[RaceTripper]

Originally Posted by ganthc

Well, they could keep the 40gb at $299 and sell the 120gb one for $399 and people will automatically take the 120gb one.

I don't agree. I bought 2 PS3s this month. I got one for $299 and the other for $319. I was not going to spend $399 for any PS3. An extra 80 GB would likely go unused on my PS3s.

[Moonraker]

Plus, this shouldnt matter to currect owners as it is very easy and inexpensive to upgrade the hard drive.

[sub780lime]

Originally Posted by EM3

I swore I wasn't going to do this but I can't help it. The 360 has about a year jump start on the PS3. So it has more software both good titles and bad ones.

That second statement is just (how do I phrase this nicely) stupid. Example of ruineds statement when using a woman. If there were only one woman left on the face of the earth she would look more attractive.

I now remove myself from this discussion!

Its true. The 360 did have a head start, but its still competing poorly and the good 360 title are not ported over as much to the PS3 while a lot of the good PS3 titles arent exclusive, they get released on both. Now rebuttle! I want to drag you back in!

[MooglePorn]

There were only 4 games I bought that were 360 exclusives the last half of '08... Mass Effect, Halo 3, Project Gotham Racing 4 and BioShock.

4 is not some huge amount. Were they all stellar titles? Yes. But so were Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank Future, Heavenly Sword, Unreal Tournament and Folklore.

Oh shit... that's 5! Does that mean PS3 wins something? I guess not.

Oh well.

Point is: both systems have awesome exclusive titles, which is why "no games" is ridiculous and silly. What Ruined says is right though... right now the 360 has more exclusive titles, it's been out a lot longer.

That doesn't mean the PS3 has "no games." If you want to say "less games" then ok. Not "no games."

Rant over.

[Ruined]

Well I'll give you an example of some of the 2007 360 exclusives I thought were good:

Ace Combat 6
Beautiful Katamari
Bioshock
Blue Dragon
Bomberman Live
Carcassonne
Catan
Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars
Crackdown
Eternal Sonata
Flatout Ultimate Carnage
Forza 2
Halo 3
Lost Planet (timed)
Mass Effect
motoGP 07
Overlord
Project Gotham Racing 4

And of course the numerous multiplatform titles that were clearly better on 360 (i.e. VF5 Online, E4, etc)

[Damian]

Originally Posted by sub780lime

Maybe I am not a hardcore gamer...but I have not seen one game so far that I want to play. Interestingly enough, there are a few games that I would give a rental if they were on 360, such as Drakes...but other then that one...nothing to me.

You need to check our Assassins Creed. That game is incredible.

[RaceTripper]

Originally Posted by Damian

You need to check our Assassins Creed. That game is incredible.

Which platform are you on with this game? I have a XBox 360 and PS3.

[MooglePorn]

Originally Posted by Ruined

Ace Combat 6
Beautiful Katamari
Bioshock
Blue Dragon
Bomberman Live
Carcassonne
Catan
Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars
Crackdown
Eternal Sonata
Flatout Ultimate Carnage
Forza 2
Halo 3
Lost Planet (timed)
Mass Effect
motoGP 07
Overlord
Project Gotham Racing 4

Did I say somewhere it didn't have more? I said that... I agreed with you... not sure what the list is for.

Though I will say over half those titles are nothing to brag about. And if you include downloads like you just did, Everyday Shooter, Super Stardust HD, Flow, Pain and Pixeljunk Monsters blow away most everything on XBLA.

[Jast3r Rogu3]

Originally Posted by Ruined

Well I'll give you an example of some of the 2007 360 exclusives I thought were good:

Ace Combat 6
Beautiful Katamari
Bioshock
Blue Dragon
Bomberman Live
Carcassonne
Catan
Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars
Crackdown
Eternal Sonata
Flatout Ultimate Carnage
Forza 2
Halo 3
Lost Planet (timed)
Mass Effect
motoGP 07
Overlord
Project Gotham Racing 4

And of course the numerous multiplatform titles that were clearly better on 360 (i.e. VF5 Online, E4, etc)

LOL the x360 has been out for 3 years already and this is the best the system has to offer? lmao.

the fact is PS3 right now has much better real exclusive games then x360, real exclusives no PC ports like lost planet or bioshock and games that eventually will come out on PC like what happend to gears of war will happend to halo.

[1138]

Originally Posted by Jast3r Rogu3

LOL the x360 has been out for 3 years already and this is the best the system has to offer? lmao.

the fact is PS3 right now has much better real exclusive games then x360, real exclusives no PC ports like lost planet or bioshock and games that eventually will come out on PC like what happend to gears of war will happend to halo.

First, your comprehension of what he actually said needs some work. He said for 2007.

I mean, if you're going to act so immature and be so... I don't know, derisive, at least be on solid ground about it. Otherwise it just reflects very, very, poorly on you.

[Mr. Furious]

It never ceases to amaze me how some people can get so charged up about a system that they get defensive as though any criticism is a personal slight. PS3 has a lot of strengths, but exclusives are not one of them. If you enjoy the system, more power to you! However, based on the fact that the PS3 has not been the big winner Sony had hoped and the fact that it just hasn't secured many killer exclusives, Sony has had to play "catch up" to the Wii and the Xbox. Obviously both MS and Sony were caught off guard by the Wii (proving once again Nintendo's resiliency), but clearly the PS3 has a lot more ground to cover.

In the case of additional add-ons to the hardware, I do not believe they’re going to really make all that much of a difference. Sony is going to have to secure more titles and/or reduce the price to move more product. As a BD player, cost is going to be the primary factor. As a gaming system, titles are going to be the issue. The hardware has always been competent on the PS3 so I can’t really see that being the challenge Sony has needed to overcome to gain more market share.

[MooglePorn]

I just don't like misinformation... that's how good systems die, like the Dreamcast for instance. I don't like hearing people tell others "the PS3 has no games!" when it really does.

Or the misinformation you just posted, about the PS3 being so far behind the 360. In the US this is true, though not as true as it used to be... in total sales across all markets though? Not so much. PS3 is on track to be the global #2 any day now...

I know... "I don't care about the rest of the world"... but guess what? Publishers? Developers? They do.

[RaceTripper]

I don't even care what's better or what has more of the market. I have both machines. If I see a game I want I'll get it. If it's something available for both platforms, all else being equal I'll get the XBox360 version, but only because I like the feel of the controller better.

[Derb]

Originally Posted by MooglePorn

I just don't like misinformation... that's how good systems die, like the Dreamcast for instance.

I was a huge Sega supporter sinse 1986 & every system they released was basically junk. Than I got the Dreamcast & the games on that thing looked killer. Finally SEGA makes an awesome system... too little too late I guess.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by MooglePorn

I just don't like misinformation... that's how good systems die, like the Dreamcast for instance. I don't like hearing people tell others "the PS3 has no games!" when it really does.

When I said it has "no games," I don't mean that WordPerfect is the only thing that is out for the PS3, I mean compared to its competitors it is severely handicapped in the games department. And there is no getting around that it is! While it does have some exclusives, they are dwarfed by the amount of exclusives on the competitor's machines. And the multiplatform games that are on it generally run worse than on the competitor's machine. So while it has some games, it has little compared to what is available for other gaming platforms that cost less - and most of the games that it does have (multiplatform) do not run as well as they do on 360, which again costs less.

I know some have brought up and will continue to bring up that PS3 hasn't been out as long, etc... Well neither has Wii and it is kicking ass. Further, it doesnt make a difference how long it has been out or not. We are living in the here and now, not a year in the future, so what is out now matters. "A year from now PS3 will have a wider selection good games!" Well, a year from now 360 w