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Ruined · 05-22-2008, 12:17 PM

I didn't realize there were so many! This is good knowledge to have if you plan to buy a PS3 and are considering the 40GB model. These are the hard drive installs that disc-based PS3 games either require or offer in order to play:

Assassin's Creed--------(Required) 1.3Gb
Devil May Cry 4--------(Required) 4.83 GB
Dark Sector ------------(Required) 1.2 GB
Dynasty Warriors 6-----(Optional) 1.86GB
Eye of Judgement---------(Required) 1.9GB
Folklore-------------------(Optional) 1.04GB
GTA IV-------------------(Required) 3.3 GB
GT5 Prologue-----------(Required) 5.24GB
Genji: Days of Blade---(Optional) 2.14GB
Haze --------------------(Required) 4.0 GB
Hot Shots Golf 5 - ------(Required) 3.61Gb
Heavenly Sword--------(Required) 2.1GB
Medal Of Honor:Airborne-(Required) 1.95 GB
Metal Gear Solid 4-----(Required) 4.6GB
Ninja Gaiden Sigma-----(Optional) 3.3Gb
Oblivion---------------------(Required) 4.6GB
Oblivion GOTY--------------(Required) 5+GB
Ratchet & Clank Future-(Required) 0.42GB
Resistance: Fall of Man--(Required) 0.22GB
Ridge Racer 7 -------------(Optional) 5GB
Spiderman 3---------------(Required) 2.6Gb
Time Crisis 4---------------(Optional) 2.45GB
Unreal Tournament 3 -(Optional) 2.4GB
Virtua Fighter 5--------(Required) 2.34GB
Warhawk w/o boosters (Required) 0.8GB

Running total w/o expansions, boosters = 63.2 GB

So if you had bought these games and nothing else, you would have already exceeded the space on a 40GB PS3 and maxed out a 60GB PS3... Leaving no room for PSN games, expansions, etc. It appears that a seperate hard drive purchase is required if you have anything less than a 80GB PS3 and don't want to get into hard drive management. Unless you don't play a lot of games, that is.

187ontheVHS · 05-22-2008, 01:40 PM

Knock off all of the optional ones as well as an extra Oblivion and you'd be alright!

ganthc · 05-22-2008, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 187ontheVHS

Knock off all of the optional ones as well as an extra Oblivion and you'd be alright!

You don't understand!! Ruined wants you to panic and/or not buy a ps3. You are supposed to be afraid and angry.

videoworx · 05-22-2008, 06:45 PM

Considering it takes less than a few minutes to install a 160 GiB drive in the PS3, this isn't a big deal. Besides, if you play that many games at the same time, you really need to get out more (and you clearly would have enough money to buy a big hard drive after spending that much on games).

billnye97 · 05-22-2008, 08:18 PM

I have the 40GB drive and if it came down to it I would delete then reinstall if need be. It's not really a big deal as everyone makes it out to be. Down the line I'll probably buy a bigger hard drive for the system but right now it's not a high priority seeing that I buy most games on my 360.

Ruined · 05-22-2008, 11:34 PM

I dunno, I think this would be a major issue for me. When I had the 20GB 360 hard drive and was downloading a lot of XBLA titles (majority of them, really) and expansion packs the space started to evaporate quickly - and mind you these games had 50mb limits/ea at the time. So I upgraded to the 120GB hard drive which looks to hold enough space no matter what I download. With a similar amount of games on PS3, even 120GB would not have been close to enough due to these permanent HD installs (permanent meaning they do not go away when you take the game out of the drive)...

Some may be okay with hard drive management, but the lack of that is one of the major reasons I game primarily game on consoles. I mean, we already have patches... PS3 adds mandatory hard drive installs resulting in hard drive management as well as Mouse/keyboard support in FPS games. Hell, at that point why not just use a PC (which would blow a 360/PS3 out of the water)?

videoworx · 05-23-2008, 12:41 AM

The PS3 is a PC. I run Linux on mine, and it works very well.

If you bothered to use a PS3, you'd understand that "hard drive management" means selecting the game you no longer want, and then selecting "un-install" - a process that takes a whopping 5 seconds. Even someone with a severe mental handicap could figure it out.

187ontheVHS · 05-23-2008, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Ruined

Some may be okay with hard drive management, but the lack of that is one of the major reasons I game primarily game on consoles. I mean, we already have patches... PS3 adds mandatory hard drive installs resulting in hard drive management as well as Mouse/keyboard support in FPS games. Hell, at that point why not just use a PC (which would blow a 360/PS3 out of the water)?

Sillyness! A "major" reason? Who cares about a bit of install time, you're still getting the benefit of all the consoles being the same spec (more or less), you don't have to worry about compatibility issues, viruses, frequent upgrading (if you want your PC to continue blowing these consoles out of the water), and the costs associated with maintaining a high end PC are retarded compared to the single-purchase situation of a gaming console. If you want things to be like they used to be buy a Gameboy.
And I'll take patches if they do what they're supposed to do. A shitty SNES game is a shitty SNES game forever.
You can be sure that if Microsoft hadn't gone with that stupid Core 360 the grass would be exactly the same on the Xbox side.
Also, you forget that the 360 has a cache that has caused a degree of grief for some people when it comes to certain games.

Ruined · 05-23-2008, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by videoworx

The PS3 is a PC. I run Linux on mine, and it works very well.

The PS3 is not a traditional PC. If you argue the PS3 is a PC, you could argue virtually any modern console is a PC... Though the XBOX1 was probably the first that literally was a PC. Anyway, point being, a traditional PC (one you can perform significant upgrades on, buy parts for, etc) murders both PS3 and 360 in performance. So if consoles become so similar to PC - in that they become that complex in getting stuff running and interfacing - you might as well just run on PC since the hardware performance for gaming as well as flexibility in general is light years better.

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If you bothered to use a PS3, you'd understand that "hard drive management" means selecting the game you no longer want, and then selecting "un-install" - a process that takes a whopping 5 seconds. Even someone with a severe mental handicap could figure it out.

Yes, Windows Add/Remove Programs works the same way. It still is a pain in the ass and not as easy as putting a disc in the drive and not having to worry about space. When you build a library of 50+ games, you will only be able to play 10 of them at any one time on one of the smaller capacity PS3s without upgrading it. Again, one of the reasons I game on consoles is because I don't have to stress about which games to keep installed and which to uninstall, etc. Its nice to be able to not have to jerk around with that PC-esque crap.

videoworx · 05-23-2008, 02:31 AM

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Yes, Windows Add/Remove Programs works the same way.

Not true. Go ahead and load Add/Remove Programs, and then wait while the list loads. And loads. And loads.

The PS3 has no delay, and un-installs a game in 2-5 seconds (again, unlike Windows Add/Remove Programs, where the process might take several minutes).

It really isn't a pain in the ass. And nobody wants to play 50 games at the same time - so the likelihood of a player needing to un-install games repeatedly is very slim.

ganthc · 05-23-2008, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by videoworx

Not true. Go ahead and load Add/Remove Programs, and then wait while the list loads. And loads. And loads.

The PS3 has no delay, and un-installs a game in 2-5 seconds (again, unlike Windows Add/Remove Programs, where the process might take several minutes).

It really isn't a pain in the ass. And nobody wants to play 50 games at the same time - so the likelihood of a player needing to un-install games repeatedly is very slim.

There is no use trying to convince Ruined that the ps3 is a great game console. It is already known that he won't be getting one, and his sole purpose is to trash talk the ps3 to try and convince others not to get one. I mean, if he gets stressed about uninstalling/installing downloads for a game that takes 5 seconds, then it's pointless arguing. Mention that you can get a bigger harddrive and suddenly there is all sorts of 'stress' regarding that as well.

***1138*** · 05-23-2008, 07:54 AM

I know it's apparently really hard for some of you, but can we talk about the issues brought up and not the users? Thanks.

MooglePorn · 05-23-2008, 12:13 PM

I have the 60GB model and haven't had to worry about space as of yet, and I leave all my games installed. If I ever have trouble I will just delete the installs for games I am not playing anymore and don't expect to for a while.

No biggie.

Ruined · 05-23-2008, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 187ontheVHS

You can be sure that if Microsoft hadn't gone with that stupid Core 360 the grass would be exactly the same on the Xbox side.

Incorrect. The XBOX1 had a mandatory hard drive in every console and had the exact same cache as the 360, except it was smaller (~600mb per game for 3 games instead of 2GB per game for 3 games). No permanent installs. Also, we will see how "stupid" the core is in the endgame.

The XBOX1 and XBOX 360 cache design is very much there to prevent hard drive management from having to occur. In addition to XBOX1 having a mandatory hard drive and no permanent installs being allowed, obviously XBOX 360 could allow optional mandatory installs for those that do have hard drives. That is not permitted to prevent developers from abusing this and starting to dump stuff to the hard drive to avoid having to program streaming assets; this abuse already appears to be happening on PS3 based on the above list. The only place installs are allowed is where they are really needed, which would be for MMOs. Same reason MS doesn't allow mouse/keyboard - because if you want to play a PC on your couch, you might as well just put a PC in the living room as its far better than a console would be. Consoles should be more simple than PCs, and I agree that patches are useful - however I think it should stop there. I don't want to drag out the mouse and keyboard to be competitive in online play on my console nor do I want to have to start installing and uninstalling crap like I would on a PC.

187ontheVHS · 05-23-2008, 12:30 PM

Well, I WAS going to get this, but forget it now!

Top: Metal Gear Solid 4 Box Says 4.6 GB Installation

Ruined · 05-23-2008, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by videoworx

Not true. Go ahead and load Add/Remove Programs, and then wait while the list loads. And loads. And loads.

Only if your 'puter is ancient

Mine takes 3 seconds to load, including all of the icons, frequency of use, and space information.

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The PS3 has no delay, and un-installs a game in 2-5 seconds (again, unlike Windows Add/Remove Programs, where the process might take several minutes).

Again, only if your 'puter is ancient. But I'd imagine PS3 is fast since all it is doing is deleting info dumped on the hard drive.

Problem is, from what I've read it takes up to 15-20 minutes to reinstall the data on the hard drive when you do want to play that game again depending on the game. And no matter how long it takes, it is still a manual process which sucks.

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It really isn't a pain in the ass.

Its certainly more of a pain in the ass than no hard drive management.

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And nobody wants to play 50 games at the same time

I often like to spread around my gaming. I just picked up Gears of War again and I'm glad I didn't have to wait 15 minutes for it to install.

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- so the likelihood of a player needing to un-install games repeatedly is very slim.

How about 5 games at a time with a lot of expansion packs/content/PSN arcade titles downloaded? How about when PS3 starts its movie store and you have no space to download movies because all of it is taken up by retail games? How about when PSN gets more games and you start downloading more, but again can't because of retail games? Eventually, the HD management will become a nuisance, again unless you don't play a lot of games.

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frequent upgrading (if you want your PC to continue blowing these consoles out of the water),

This is simply not true anymore like it was in the past. Lets look at the current gen of consoles - at the time of their release all of them were not as fast as enthusiast PCs available at the same time.

Wii - Outdated by FAR out of the gate. Overall, painfully and extremely outdated compared to enthusiast PCs on release. Obvious.

360 - CPU is slower than the slowest dual core mainstream consumer PC CPUs at time of release. An Athlon X2 3800+ completely murders the 360's CPU in performance, the 360 CPU being stuck with an outdated in-order instruction design. GPU was more advanced than PC GPUs at the time in terms of shader model (Unified vs. SM3.0), however in terms of power the enthusiast PC GPUs were more powerful. Overall, slightly outdated compared to an enthusiast PC on release.

PS3 - Came out a year later and has a CPU that arguably has less real-world power available to devs than the 360's due to its unintuitive design, and a GPU that was very outdated upon release (about the same as 360's in power). Actually, comparing chip to chip, the PS3 essentially has a beefed-up GeForce 7600GT GPU (a mid-level GeForce 7 CPU), and by the time the PS3 was released the SM3.0 GeForce7 line was already outdated and replaced by the much more powerful unified-shader GeForce 8 series. Overall, very outdated compared to an enthusiast PC on release.

So no matter which console you bought, hardware wise it was outdated compared to an enthusiast PC available at the same time on its release. No multiple upgrades needed.

videoworx · 05-23-2008, 04:42 PM

I don't know of any PS3 owners that find this to be an issue. For those who might, a hard drive upgrade is cheap and easy. Sony even shows you how to do this in the instruction manual.

Molehill -> Mountain.

Ruined, although your Add/Remove control panel might take 3 seconds to load, it may take far longer to actually remove installed games and applications, especially if Windows detects a shared file (where it will pause, and ask you what it should do). Some poorly installed (by the developer) games can take several minutes to remove, even with the fastest available PC. This simply isn't the case with the PS3, where any installed game takes no more than 5 seconds to remove completely, including the time spent selecting it, and requesting it be removed.

billnye97 · 05-23-2008, 08:18 PM

I think the whole argument here is that it isn't as bad as Ruined says nor as peachy keen as everyone else is saying. It was kind of annoying when I had to install VF 5 on the PS3. It took about 5 minutes. Did it kill me that I had to do it? No. Nor does it deter me from buying PS3 games over 360 games if they are better.

mtcarmel00 · 05-28-2008, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by videoworx

The PS3 has no delay, and un-installs a game in 2-5 seconds (again, unlike Windows Add/Remove Programs, where the process might take several minutes).

If you do un-install a game, are any saved game files wiped out as well? Or do they stay behind, so that if months later I want to pick up a game again I can access the file and not have to start over?

MooglePorn · 05-28-2008, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by mtcarmel00

If you do un-install a game, are any saved game files wiped out as well? Or do they stay behind, so that if months later I want to pick up a game again I can access the file and not have to start over?

Save files and installs are completely seperate.

***Wirehed*** · 05-28-2008, 05:55 PM

As a PS3 owner I can't imagine this ever really being an issue.

Maybe if you buy a lot of downloadable content, but as of now this isn't an issue either as there really isn't that much.

In the future it's easy to add more hard drive space.

I don't think this is much of an issue at all.

There *is* a bit of issue with the concept of having a 15 minute install cycle with some new games, but with the size and complexity of games these days, it's probably inevitable.

Astrakan · 05-28-2008, 06:05 PM

I don't yet have a PS3 (but it's coming this summer) so I suppose my opinion isn't worth as much as that of those who have one already, but for me personally I don't see this as being a problem the vast majority of the time.

Usually I only have 3-5 games going at any one time, and then this won't be a problem. Every once in a while though, maybe once or twice a year, I either get in a weird mood or I have visitors over (usually my brother) and then there's probably 20 or more games that go in and of the console over the course of a week.

In instances like that I can see mandatory installs get real old real quick. But like I said, it doesn't happen very often so I can probably live with it when it does.

Naturally the best case scenario is no installs at all, but what are you gonna do? Point is, it's not a deal breaker for me.

KM

ganthc · 05-28-2008, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Wirehed

There *is* a bit of issue with the concept of having a 15 minute install cycle with some new games, but with the size and complexity of games these days, it's probably inevitable.

Personally, I wouldn't mind long install times for games if it eliminates load times in games.

***Wirehed*** · 05-28-2008, 06:11 PM

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Personally, I wouldn't mind long install times for games if it eliminates load times in games.

Yeah, I don't disagree. That is the obvious compromise.

If this becomes the norm, I'm sure there will just be faster disc drives, so the install will become less of a problem in the future. One would hope.

MooglePorn · 05-29-2008, 12:54 AM

If you couldn't delete and reinstall it would be horrid... but you can. This is really only an issue for people who want to bash the system.

That said, more games need to install in no time, like Oblivion, or little time, like Assassin's Creed, rather than in a 20 minute lead-up like DMC4.

05-22-2008, 12:17 PM	#1 (permalink)
Ruined It's Good to Play Together Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: NJ, USA	PS3 Hard Drive Installs List I didn't realize there were so many! This is good knowledge to have if you plan to buy a PS3 and are considering the 40GB model. These are the hard drive installs that disc-based PS3 games either require or offer in order to play: Assassin's Creed--------(Required) 1.3Gb Devil May Cry 4--------(Required) 4.83 GB Dark Sector ------------(Required) 1.2 GB Dynasty Warriors 6-----(Optional) 1.86GB Eye of Judgement---------(Required) 1.9GB Folklore-------------------(Optional) 1.04GB GTA IV-------------------(Required) 3.3 GB GT5 Prologue-----------(Required) 5.24GB Genji: Days of Blade---(Optional) 2.14GB Haze --------------------(Required) 4.0 GB Hot Shots Golf 5 - ------(Required) 3.61Gb Heavenly Sword--------(Required) 2.1GB Medal Of Honor:Airborne-(Required) 1.95 GB Metal Gear Solid 4-----(Required) 4.6GB Ninja Gaiden Sigma-----(Optional) 3.3Gb Oblivion---------------------(Required) 4.6GB Oblivion GOTY--------------(Required) 5+GB Ratchet & Clank Future-(Required) 0.42GB Resistance: Fall of Man--(Required) 0.22GB Ridge Racer 7 -------------(Optional) 5GB Spiderman 3---------------(Required) 2.6Gb Time Crisis 4---------------(Optional) 2.45GB Unreal Tournament 3 -(Optional) 2.4GB Virtua Fighter 5--------(Required) 2.34GB Warhawk w/o boosters (Required) 0.8GB Running total w/o expansions, boosters = 63.2 GB So if you had bought these games and nothing else, you would have already exceeded the space on a 40GB PS3 and maxed out a 60GB PS3... Leaving no room for PSN games, expansions, etc. It appears that a seperate hard drive purchase is required if you have anything less than a 80GB PS3 and don't want to get into hard drive management. Unless you don't play a lot of games, that is. __________________ For every shadow, no matter how deep, is threatened by morning light. Last edited by Ruined : 05-23-2008 at 09:00 PM.

05-22-2008, 01:40 PM	#2 (permalink)
187ontheVHS Actor Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ottawa, ON	Knock off all of the optional ones as well as an extra Oblivion and you'd be alright! __________________ * I reserve the right to contradict myself.

05-22-2008, 06:45 PM	#4 (permalink)
videoworx Would Make a Good Incubus Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: nowhere near Nebraska	Considering it takes less than a few minutes to install a 160 GiB drive in the PS3, this isn't a big deal. Besides, if you play that many games at the same time, you really need to get out more (and you clearly would have enough money to buy a big hard drive after spending that much on games). __________________ And let’s not forget the fact that Tron turned the Frisbee into an instrument of righteous smiting.

05-22-2008, 08:18 PM	#5 (permalink)
billnye97 Actor Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: In a van down by the river	I have the 40GB drive and if it came down to it I would delete then reinstall if need be. It's not really a big deal as everyone makes it out to be. Down the line I'll probably buy a bigger hard drive for the system but right now it's not a high priority seeing that I buy most games on my 360. __________________ "I don't drink coffee, sir. I don't drink hot liquids of any kind. That's the devil's temperature." ~ Kenneth the Page. 30 Rock

05-22-2008, 11:34 PM	#6 (permalink)
Ruined It's Good to Play Together Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: NJ, USA	I dunno, I think this would be a major issue for me. When I had the 20GB 360 hard drive and was downloading a lot of XBLA titles (majority of them, really) and expansion packs the space started to evaporate quickly - and mind you these games had 50mb limits/ea at the time. So I upgraded to the 120GB hard drive which looks to hold enough space no matter what I download. With a similar amount of games on PS3, even 120GB would not have been close to enough due to these permanent HD installs (permanent meaning they do not go away when you take the game out of the drive)... Some may be okay with hard drive management, but the lack of that is one of the major reasons I game primarily game on consoles. I mean, we already have patches... PS3 adds mandatory hard drive installs resulting in hard drive management as well as Mouse/keyboard support in FPS games. Hell, at that point why not just use a PC (which would blow a 360/PS3 out of the water)? __________________ For every shadow, no matter how deep, is threatened by morning light.

05-23-2008, 12:41 AM	#7 (permalink)
videoworx Would Make a Good Incubus Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: nowhere near Nebraska	The PS3 is a PC. I run Linux on mine, and it works very well. If you bothered to use a PS3, you'd understand that "hard drive management" means selecting the game you no longer want, and then selecting "un-install" - a process that takes a whopping 5 seconds. Even someone with a severe mental handicap could figure it out. __________________ And let’s not forget the fact that Tron turned the Frisbee into an instrument of righteous smiting.

05-23-2008, 07:54 AM	#12 (permalink)
*1138* Producer/Admin Careful, or I'll ban myself... Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	I know it's apparently really hard for some of you, but can we talk about the issues brought up and not the users? Thanks. __________________ Administrator I got a rock and roll band. I got a rock and roll life. I got a rock and roll girlfriend. And another ex-wife.

05-23-2008, 12:13 PM	#13 (permalink)
MooglePorn Actor Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Philadelphia, PA	I have the 60GB model and haven't had to worry about space as of yet, and I leave all my games installed. If I ever have trouble I will just delete the installs for games I am not playing anymore and don't expect to for a while. No biggie.

05-23-2008, 12:30 PM	#15 (permalink)
187ontheVHS Actor Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ottawa, ON	Well, I WAS going to get this, but forget it now! Top: Metal Gear Solid 4 Box Says 4.6 GB Installation __________________ * I reserve the right to contradict myself.

05-23-2008, 04:42 PM	#17 (permalink)
videoworx Would Make a Good Incubus Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: nowhere near Nebraska	I don't know of any PS3 owners that find this to be an issue. For those who might, a hard drive upgrade is cheap and easy. Sony even shows you how to do this in the instruction manual. Molehill -> Mountain. Ruined, although your Add/Remove control panel might take 3 seconds to load, it may take far longer to actually remove installed games and applications, especially if Windows detects a shared file (where it will pause, and ask you what it should do). Some poorly installed (by the developer) games can take several minutes to remove, even with the fastest available PC. This simply isn't the case with the PS3, where any installed game takes no more than 5 seconds to remove completely, including the time spent selecting it, and requesting it be removed. __________________ And let’s not forget the fact that Tron turned the Frisbee into an instrument of righteous smiting.

05-23-2008, 08:18 PM	#18 (permalink)
billnye97 Actor Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: In a van down by the river	I think the whole argument here is that it isn't as bad as Ruined says nor as peachy keen as everyone else is saying. It was kind of annoying when I had to install VF 5 on the PS3. It took about 5 minutes. Did it kill me that I had to do it? No. Nor does it deter me from buying PS3 games over 360 games if they are better. __________________ "I don't drink coffee, sir. I don't drink hot liquids of any kind. That's the devil's temperature." ~ Kenneth the Page. 30 Rock

05-28-2008, 05:55 PM	#21 (permalink)
*Wirehed* Producer/Admin NSFW Off 'the list' Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Sacto, Ca --Near Galt, home of LeVar Burton	As a PS3 owner I can't imagine this ever really being an issue. Maybe if you buy a lot of downloadable content, but as of now this isn't an issue either as there really isn't that much. In the future it's easy to add more hard drive space. I don't think this is much of an issue at all. There is a bit of issue with the concept of having a 15 minute install cycle with some new games, but with the size and complexity of games these days, it's probably inevitable. __________________ The Order of the Zombie. The world's greatest zombie culture website. "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wagn'nagl dominos" In his house in R'lyeh, dead Cthulhu waits for the pizza delivery guy.

05-28-2008, 06:05 PM	#22 (permalink)
Astrakan Actor Join Date: May 2001 Location: Toronto, ON Canada	I don't yet have a PS3 (but it's coming this summer) so I suppose my opinion isn't worth as much as that of those who have one already, but for me personally I don't see this as being a problem the vast majority of the time. Usually I only have 3-5 games going at any one time, and then this won't be a problem. Every once in a while though, maybe once or twice a year, I either get in a weird mood or I have visitors over (usually my brother) and then there's probably 20 or more games that go in and of the console over the course of a week. In instances like that I can see mandatory installs get real old real quick. But like I said, it doesn't happen very often so I can probably live with it when it does. Naturally the best case scenario is no installs at all, but what are you gonna do? Point is, it's not a deal breaker for me. KM __________________ Blog, blog, bo blog. Banana, fana, fo flog. Me, my, mo mlog. Blog! DVD Profiler - The most features. The largest database. User-created plugins. Simply the best.

05-29-2008, 12:54 AM	#25 (permalink)
MooglePorn Actor Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Philadelphia, PA	If you couldn't delete and reinstall it would be horrid... but you can. This is really only an issue for people who want to bash the system. That said, more games need to install in no time, like Oblivion, or little time, like Assassin's Creed, rather than in a 20 minute lead-up like DMC4.