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MooglePorn · 11-30-2002, 10:57 AM

We all know the Zelda games are good, the Metroids, the Final Fantasy's, etc. What are your favorite games that are rather unpopular, unknown, and underappreciated? And did I spell underappreciated right?

Top of my list would be Einhander for the PSX which is still probably my favorite shooting game. It was a 2D space combat game that kicked so much old school ass I can't believe it sold like shit.

Another would be Return Fire for the 3DO and PSX which was one of the funnest 2 player games me and my buds ever played at the time. You had to basically capture the flag, but in an all out war setting with tanks, helicopters, whatever at your disposal. It had classical music and good visuals for the time. Great stuff...

elwood731 · 11-30-2002, 12:44 PM

Where do you get that these games were ever unpopular? Return Fire is considered a classic by many old enough to remember it, and it sold well enough to garner a sequel at least.

More of a case I think of a game just being forgotten. The Alex Kidd games on SMS were great, but doubt we'll ever see one again, and they all sold well.

Joe Michaels · 11-30-2002, 02:29 PM

I think ICO would fit that bill. It never really sold to it's potential yet it was easily one of the best PS2 games when it came out.

Ruined · 11-30-2002, 02:45 PM

Damn, I have a lot of these, since I rarely go by reviews/sales/mass opinion.

XBOX
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Azurik: Rise of Perathia (Excellent)
Quantum Redshift (Excellent)
Toejam and Earl 3 (Excellent)
Blinx: The Time Sweeper (Very Good)
Dead to Rights (Very Good)
Gunvalkyrie (Very Good)
Mad Dash (Good)
Nightcaster (Good)
New Legends (Good)
Enclave (Very Good)
Fuzion Frenzy (Good)
Star Wars Obi-Wan (Good)
Whacked! (Good)

Dreamcast
--
Jet Set Radio (Excellent - thankfully the sequel did well on XBOX!)
Shadowman (Excellent)
Virtual On (Good)
Seaman (Excellent)
Space Channel 5 (Very Good)
Samba De Amigo (Excellent)
Giga Wing (Great)
Giga Wing 2 (Good)
Gunbird 2 (Very Good)
Ikaruga (Excellent)
Mars Matrix (Very Good)
Bangai-O (Good)
Project Justice (Good)
Plasma Sword (Good)
King of Fighters 98 (Good)
King of Fighters 99 (Good)
Last Blade 2 (Very Good)
Coaster Works (Good)
Rez (Excellent)

Joe Michaels · 11-30-2002, 04:41 PM

For the Gamecube:

I don't know how well ETERNAL DARKNESS sold but it has been a while since I came home every day and played a game consistently to completion like I did with that game.

And what about PIKMIN?

And I agree with Ru I think SEAMAN was a great (Can you call it a game?) Whatever happened to the PS2 version that was being worked on?

StinkPalm · 11-30-2002, 04:42 PM

ok i think its safe to say that all of u will probably know what im about to say...........****Shenmue**** & ****Shenmue II****

its true though. these games are very underappreciated. they are 2 games that from what i know didnt sell very well. that is why the series is gonna stop with the 3rd game when originally i think it was going to go to 4 or 5........or maybe more.

brian · 11-30-2002, 06:55 PM

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Originally posted by Ruined

Dreamcast
--
Jet Set Radio (Excellent - thankfully the sequel did well on XBOX!)
Seaman (Excellent)

I want to try all the others you listed, but these are ones that I'll agree on based on experience.

I'll also raise you for the dreamcast:
King Of Fighters Evolution
SNK Vs. Capcom
JoJos Bizarre Adventure
Marvel Vs. Capcom 1 and 2
Shenmue
It could be said that the Dreamcast was unpopular, but it was definitely excellent. Looks like I'm going to have to get some new DC games

StinkPalm · 11-30-2002, 08:05 PM

id also say that Jet Grind Radio and Jet Set Radio Future fit into this

MooglePorn · 11-30-2002, 09:01 PM

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Where do you get that these games were ever unpopular? Return Fire is considered a classic by many old enough to remember it, and it sold well enough to garner a sequel at least.

I was unaware Return Fire was popular... I don't remember it getting a lot of notice, but maybe I'm wrong. Einhander definately fell under the radar though.

Ruined · 11-30-2002, 11:19 PM

I thought Shenmue 1 & 2 both did pretty good. Not excellent, but not "unpopular" either.

keiths · 12-01-2002, 12:54 AM

Just a small handfull off the top of my head...

Alien vs. Predator - Atari Jaguar
Herzog Zwei - Genesis
Star Control - Genesis
Space Hulk - 3DO
Star Control II - 3DO
Wing Commander III - 3DO (it has Ginger Lynn Allen as Rachel)
Zhadnost - 3DO

sub780lime · 12-01-2002, 01:34 AM

Wing Commander Prophecy, OBI-WAN and many others i cant remember

Ruined · 12-01-2002, 01:37 AM

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Originally posted by sub780lime
Wing Commander Prophecy, OBI-WAN and many others i cant remember

Oh yeh, I forgot about Obi-Wan, that's a really fun game too (despite having shit graphics). I'm gonna put that on my list.

MooglePorn · 12-01-2002, 03:29 AM

I never played Obi-Wan...

Ruined · 12-01-2002, 05:36 AM

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Originally posted by MooglePorn
I never played Obi-Wan...

It's like a whole game dedicated to the most fun parts of Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast. Except the graphics look like Jedi Knight 1.5

sub780lime · 12-01-2002, 08:42 AM

i really enjoyed this game, its always fun when you have sone new storyline sort of like the EU

Ruined · 12-01-2002, 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by sub780lime
i really enjoyed this game, its always fun when you have sone new storyline sort of like the EU

Yoda looks scary as hell in it though, doesn't he?

Joe Michaels · 12-01-2002, 04:16 PM

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Originally posted by MooglePorn
I never played Obi-Wan...

It's actually more like Jedi power battles meets MAX PAYNE thanks to the (bullet time like) Slow motion.

You have force powers and can throw your enemies, etc.

MooglePorn · 12-01-2002, 09:17 PM

Well if you had Obi-Wan for $30 and Jedi Knight 2 for $50 which would you get?

sub780lime · 12-01-2002, 11:05 PM

get obi wan, download jedi knight on your computer, OBI was cool, you can push your enemies, pull their weapons, throw your saber, and do a bullet time type deal, remember OBI is third person so it is a different experience then Jedi, i would definately get both if you can, if not, start with OBI, im sure JEDI will go done in price by the time you finish, i believe i posted a OBI review in the Review thread, or ruined did, i think some did

egman · 12-01-2002, 11:49 PM

Does it have to be specifically console games?

If so I would like to Medieval: Total War for PC. This poor game has practically gotten no buzz this year inspite of being almost flawlessly executed. If it wasn't for school and Metroid

I would be squandering all of my extra time on this game. And this is coming from someone who is new to the RTS genre.

MooglePorn · 12-02-2002, 12:01 AM

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Does it have to be specifically console games?

Certainly not... just 'cause I don't play them don't mean they're not good...

Ruined · 12-02-2002, 02:41 AM

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Originally posted by sub780lime
i believe i posted a OBI review in the Review thread, or ruined did, i think some did

i did a few months ago, here is the link.

Strangely, Moogle responded back then and said he rented the game and thought it was "shit."

MooglePorn · 12-02-2002, 03:06 AM

Ummm... I did? *runs off to check* ... yes, yes I did. I played it in EB, so I must have just said rented... sorry... I guess that makes my statement that I never played it wrong as well... so now I sound like an idiot (yay!)...

I played it in EB, thought it was shit, never REALLY played it because it was only like 2 minutes... yeah... that's it...

Ruined · 12-02-2002, 03:37 AM

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Originally posted by MooglePorn
Ummm... I did? *runs off to check* ... yes, yes I did. I played it in EB, so I must have just said rented... sorry... I guess that makes my statement that I never played it wrong as well... so now I sound like an idiot (yay!)...

I played it in EB, thought it was shit, never REALLY played it because it was only like 2 minutes... yeah... that's it...

Well, Obi-Wan actually uses a modified version of the original Jedi Knight graphic engine (which is both impressive and scary), which is why the graphics are so poor. But, it is more fun than JK2 on the whole, and seems to offer more JK1-like action than JK2, despite JK2 wasting it in the graphics department.

MooglePorn · 12-02-2002, 03:40 AM

Okay, I played and loved JK1 which is why I wanted Obi-Wan, but it got bad reviews, and like I said, after playing it in EB it seemed like shit. All I really remember about it was that the enemies were all the same model and you couldn't sword fight with them. Still, if it becomes a $20 title, I may pick it up.

I guess since I really liked JK1 I should get JK2, but I'm just not in the mood for another FPS right now...

11-30-2002, 10:57 AM	#1 (permalink)
MooglePorn Actor Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Philadelphia, PA	Unpopular but Excellent We all know the Zelda games are good, the Metroids, the Final Fantasy's, etc. What are your favorite games that are rather unpopular, unknown, and underappreciated? And did I spell underappreciated right? Top of my list would be Einhander for the PSX which is still probably my favorite shooting game. It was a 2D space combat game that kicked so much old school ass I can't believe it sold like shit. Another would be Return Fire for the 3DO and PSX which was one of the funnest 2 player games me and my buds ever played at the time. You had to basically capture the flag, but in an all out war setting with tanks, helicopters, whatever at your disposal. It had classical music and good visuals for the time. Great stuff...

11-30-2002, 12:44 PM	#2 (permalink)
elwood731 Moderator Emeritus On a mission from God Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Kentucky	Where do you get that these games were ever unpopular? Return Fire is considered a classic by many old enough to remember it, and it sold well enough to garner a sequel at least. More of a case I think of a game just being forgotten. The Alex Kidd games on SMS were great, but doubt we'll ever see one again, and they all sold well. __________________ "Stupid people surround themselves with smart people. Smart people surround themselves with smart people who disagree with them." - Sports Night "You may not be a maniac, but neither should to remain an impotent!" - Damian

11-30-2002, 02:45 PM	#4 (permalink)
Ruined It's Good to Play Together Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: NJ, USA	Damn, I have a lot of these, since I rarely go by reviews/sales/mass opinion. XBOX -- Azurik: Rise of Perathia (Excellent) Quantum Redshift (Excellent) Toejam and Earl 3 (Excellent) Blinx: The Time Sweeper (Very Good) Dead to Rights (Very Good) Gunvalkyrie (Very Good) Mad Dash (Good) Nightcaster (Good) New Legends (Good) Enclave (Very Good) Fuzion Frenzy (Good) Star Wars Obi-Wan (Good) Whacked! (Good) Dreamcast -- Jet Set Radio (Excellent - thankfully the sequel did well on XBOX!) Shadowman (Excellent) Virtual On (Good) Seaman (Excellent) Space Channel 5 (Very Good) Samba De Amigo (Excellent) Giga Wing (Great) Giga Wing 2 (Good) Gunbird 2 (Very Good) Ikaruga (Excellent) Mars Matrix (Very Good) Bangai-O (Good) Project Justice (Good) Plasma Sword (Good) King of Fighters 98 (Good) King of Fighters 99 (Good) Last Blade 2 (Very Good) Coaster Works (Good) Rez (Excellent) __________________ For every shadow, no matter how deep, is threatened by morning light. Last edited by Ruined : 12-01-2002 at 01:37 AM.

11-30-2002, 04:42 PM	#6 (permalink)
StinkPalm Loves chocolate covered pretzels Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: New York City.....recognize	ok i think its safe to say that all of u will probably know what im about to say...........**Shenmue & Shenmue II** its true though. these games are very underappreciated. they are 2 games that from what i know didnt sell very well. that is why the series is gonna stop with the 3rd game when originally i think it was going to go to 4 or 5........or maybe more. __________________ Here's the pulse, alright. Now here's the finger. Far from the pulse jammed straight up your ass, say would you like a chocolate covered pretzel?

11-30-2002, 08:05 PM	#8 (permalink)
StinkPalm Loves chocolate covered pretzels Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: New York City.....recognize	id also say that Jet Grind Radio and Jet Set Radio Future fit into this __________________ Here's the pulse, alright. Now here's the finger. Far from the pulse jammed straight up your ass, say would you like a chocolate covered pretzel?

11-30-2002, 02:29 PM	#3 (permalink)
Joe Michaels Join Date: Jun 2000	I think ICO would fit that bill. It never really sold to it's potential yet it was easily one of the best PS2 games when it came out.

11-30-2002, 04:41 PM	#5 (permalink)
Joe Michaels Join Date: Jun 2000	For the Gamecube: I don't know how well ETERNAL DARKNESS sold but it has been a while since I came home every day and played a game consistently to completion like I did with that game. And what about PIKMIN? And I agree with Ru I think SEAMAN was a great (Can you call it a game?) Whatever happened to the PS2 version that was being worked on?

11-30-2002, 11:19 PM	#10 (permalink)
Ruined It's Good to Play Together Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: NJ, USA	I thought Shenmue 1 & 2 both did pretty good. Not excellent, but not "unpopular" either. __________________ For every shadow, no matter how deep, is threatened by morning light.

12-01-2002, 12:54 AM	#11 (permalink)
keiths Actor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Flushing, NY	Just a small handfull off the top of my head... Alien vs. Predator - Atari Jaguar Herzog Zwei - Genesis Star Control - Genesis Space Hulk - 3DO Star Control II - 3DO Wing Commander III - 3DO (it has Ginger Lynn Allen as Rachel) Zhadnost - 3DO __________________ My Dvd Collection

12-01-2002, 01:34 AM	#12 (permalink)
sub780lime Can't Spell Bilbo Join Date: May 2002 Location: A Galaxy Far Far Away	Wing Commander Prophecy, OBI-WAN and many others i cant remember __________________ love comes and goes, but an avatar . . . that's forever. - Pirate

12-01-2002, 03:29 AM	#14 (permalink)
MooglePorn Actor Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Philadelphia, PA	I never played Obi-Wan...

12-01-2002, 08:42 AM	#16 (permalink)
sub780lime Can't Spell Bilbo Join Date: May 2002 Location: A Galaxy Far Far Away	i really enjoyed this game, its always fun when you have sone new storyline sort of like the EU __________________ love comes and goes, but an avatar . . . that's forever. - Pirate

12-01-2002, 09:17 PM	#19 (permalink)
MooglePorn Actor Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Philadelphia, PA	Well if you had Obi-Wan for $30 and Jedi Knight 2 for $50 which would you get?

12-01-2002, 11:05 PM	#20 (permalink)
sub780lime Can't Spell Bilbo Join Date: May 2002 Location: A Galaxy Far Far Away	get obi wan, download jedi knight on your computer, OBI was cool, you can push your enemies, pull their weapons, throw your saber, and do a bullet time type deal, remember OBI is third person so it is a different experience then Jedi, i would definately get both if you can, if not, start with OBI, im sure JEDI will go done in price by the time you finish, i believe i posted a OBI review in the Review thread, or ruined did, i think some did __________________ love comes and goes, but an avatar . . . that's forever. - Pirate

12-01-2002, 11:49 PM	#21 (permalink)
egman Actor Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Lawrenceville, GA	Does it have to be specifically console games? If so I would like to Medieval: Total War for PC. This poor game has practically gotten no buzz this year inspite of being almost flawlessly executed. If it wasn't for school and Metroid I would be squandering all of my extra time on this game. And this is coming from someone who is new to the RTS genre.

12-02-2002, 03:06 AM	#24 (permalink)
MooglePorn Actor Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Philadelphia, PA	Ummm... I did? runs off to check ... yes, yes I did. I played it in EB, so I must have just said rented... sorry... I guess that makes my statement that I never played it wrong as well... so now I sound like an idiot (yay!)... I played it in EB, thought it was shit, never REALLY played it because it was only like 2 minutes... yeah... that's it...

12-02-2002, 03:40 AM	#26 (permalink)
MooglePorn Actor Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Philadelphia, PA	Okay, I played and loved JK1 which is why I wanted Obi-Wan, but it got bad reviews, and like I said, after playing it in EB it seemed like shit. All I really remember about it was that the enemies were all the same model and you couldn't sword fight with them. Still, if it becomes a $20 title, I may pick it up. I guess since I really liked JK1 I should get JK2, but I'm just not in the mood for another FPS right now...

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