What Game Sequels Let You Down The Most?

[Monster]

ok well seeing as there are many titles with sequels i wanted to see what titles yall have that were let downs...for any console..

for me they were


MORTAL KOMBAT series. the first one rocked but after that it was the same stuff just a few things they put into the other ones.

Tomb Raider. that series also has the same stuff nothing new really put into the sequels..



im not saying these games suck. just let downs for as nothing much of a major shocking new stuff put into the game..

[IKEA_boy]

Originally posted by Monster
MORTAL KOMBAT series. the first one rocked but after that it was the same stuff just a few things they put into the other ones.

I thought the second one was the greatest. The first was kind of an "on a whim" game. The second one improved on everything that was good in the first. However, MK3 su-ucked.

[Deez108]

My vote goes for Escape from Monkey Island. Now, there are many things to like about this game, but I really don't think it holds its own well with the other great games in the series. Plus, I didn't think the transition from 2-D to 3-D did anything to add to the game/story/series overall.

Like I said, I still enjoyed it, but it was nothing like the prior three installments.

[orf]

Originally posted by IKEA_boy
I thought the second one was the greatest. The first was kind of an "on a whim" game. The second one improved on everything that was good in the first. However, MK3 su-ucked.

What he said.

Jedi Outcast dissapointed me, to be honest. I LOVED Dark Forces and DF2, but Jedi Outcast just wasn't as fun.
King Of Fighters '00 wasn't as good as '99, either. But, of course, the SNK series returned to its glory with '01 (I haven't played '02 yet, ack). Some people disagree that '01 was great since its art style was just WEIRD and that it was developed by Playmore and not SNK, but I loved its bizarreness. I guess that makes me an SNK newb? But, the gameplay style of '01 was more similar to the fun of '95-'98, which is always good. I found '00 too easy. Anyhow, I'll stop rambling about KOF.
Anyhow, Ikari III - The Rescue was such a horrible sequel compared to its classic predecessor, Ikari Warriors, also.

[Hollow Man]

Although I haven't played it yet, I think the community would vote for Master of Orion III.

Personally, I'd say that X-Wing Alliance was disappointing. The original X-Wing is still fantastic (and TIE Fighter is great too).

-HM

[IKEA_boy]

Originally posted by Deez108
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Most of the LucasArts and Sierra games didn't fare to well in the 3D world.
I miss the days of "point 'n' click."

[elwood731]

I will disagree a bit about Mortal Kombat and Tomb Raider. Both games at least had one good sequel with MK2 definitely being better than MK1, and many arguing that TR2 is better than TR1. I am not sure if I agree about TR, though I do think TR2 is every bit as good, at least. It didn't dissapoint me in the least. However, from then on the games were huge dissapointments.

King's Quest 8? Gag!

Castlevania 64. I didn't have high hopes to begin with, but it was such a great game series up till then.

I am busy and can't think of many more right now, but thought I would comment.

[MooglePorn]

I definately agree with Elwood on Castlevania 64...

I'll add Final Fantasy Mystic Quest, which was down right horrible. Legend of Mana which couldn't clean Secret of Mana's jock strap, and Resident Evil 0 because it wasn't as creepy and good as the re-make...

[Lastblade]

all the Tomb Raider sequels are pure crap....

Wipeout sequels are pretty weak too (besides 2)

oh, Final Fantasy for sure, I think they get more and more cinematic (ie boring) sequel after sequel

[BrainofJ]

King's Quest 8, what the hell was that?
Legend of Mana, what the hell was that?

[Ruined]

Super Mario 64
Super Mario Sunshine
Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
F-Zero X
Escape From Monkey Island
Ultima VIII
Ultima IX
Ultima Underworld 1 & 2
Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy VIII
Final Fantasy IX
Final Fantasy X
Every Need for Speed game made after the first
Every Test Drive game made after Test Drive 3
Any recent EA Sports sequel
Toejam and Earl 2
Golden Axe 2
Final Fight 2
Final Fight 3
Double Dragon 2
Double Dragon 3
Actraiser 2

If I think of more I'll throw them on

[SephirothClone]

Originally posted by Ruined
Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Final Fantasy VII

No way....

You have got to be shitting me...

[MooglePorn]

Ruined, several of my all-time FAVORITE games are on that list... just to let you know:p

[Hess]

Originally posted by MooglePorn
Ruined, several of my all-time FAVORITE games are on that list... just to let you know:p

Seeing as he never owned a N64, PS2, or gamecube, most of the games on that list should be taken with a rather large grain of salt...

hess

[IKEA_boy]

Hey now. Opinions are opinions. Everybody has them.

[SilentBob]

EarthWorm Jim 2 I was so looking forward to the game. My mom was able to find me a copy for XMas and i was happy. Too bad the levels weren't as great as the first. I missed the hand drawn darker graphics and i really missed my worm whip (slime was ok but not as cool as my whip) Plus some of the bosses were missing too and that also ticked me off. Now they can't seem to make a good game to such a classic and fav. character of mine

Turok Evolutions What a piece of crap the game was and i wish i had payed more attention to everyone here on the boards

Tony Hawk Pro Skater 3 It has its innovative new tricks and point system but the levels were less then steller compare to the great levels in THPS2. It just made multiplayer a little less fun as some of the levels really sucked.

[3DMan]

I highly anticipated Blood 2, as I liked the first one, but the second one took all the gothic horror out.
Although I haven't played it, maybe Unreal 2?

[Ruined]

Originally posted by Hess
Seeing as he never owned a N64, PS2, or gamecube, most of the games on that list should be taken with a rather large grain of salt...

hess

Hmm. Though it seems you're on a neverending quest to question my credibility, my roommate in college had N64, which I had access to during my sophmore year. My cousin also has an N64. My best friend has PS2, and I know someone with a Gamecube as well. Most of the above games are also playable on a PC, which I own.

But that doesn't matter all too much anyway. The point of this list is to list your biggest disappointments. That doesn't mean series which you think suck, or sequels you are moderately disappointed with. It means games where you loved the original(s), but thought one or more of the followups let down the series. This is the case with every game I listed above in my case. Not everything is a conspiracy against games not XBOX.

If you do not understand why I listed some of the above games, a more courteous and appropriate response would be something along the lines of "I really like game XXX, what do you dislike about it?"

[Hess]

Originally posted by Ruined
Hmm. Though it seems you're on a neverending quest to question my credibility

Because I disagree with you over msft's business model & question your memory card/hard drive stance?

I've posted in this forum like eight time. Relax.

hess

[IKEA_boy]

Originally posted by Hess
Because I disagree with you over msft's business model & question your memory card/hard drive stance?

Which has nothing to do with this thread.

Keep it on track.

[MooglePorn]

I think Totino's party pizzas are good for the money, but when it really comes down to it when I want quality, I go Digiorno.

Oh, what were we talking about?

Seriously... Ruined, I can see that many of those games had better installments earlier in the series, but even hinting that Orcania of Time is a bad game gets the hair on my neck standing up...

[1138]

Originally posted by Ruined
Ultima Underworld 1 & 2

Is the first even a sequel? And you were dissapointed by it? I thought it was really good for the time and was ahaed of other games with the ability to look up and down and be able to jump.

Ultima 8 I understand and IX is worse because I think it had so much potential.

[Ruined]

Originally posted by MooglePorn
Seriously... Ruined, I can see that many of those games had better installments earlier in the series, but even hinting that Orcania of Time is a bad game gets the hair on my neck standing up...

Note that the thread was not called "what games do you think are bad," but which you find the most disappointing. When you find a sequel really disappointing, it usually means you really liked the first one, but the second one did not deliver. An example of this is Star Wars Ep. 4 versus Star Wars Ep. 1, compared to Men in Black vs. Men in Black II. While Men in Black II was a far worse movie than Star Wars Ep. 1, almost anyone would say that Ep.1 was far more disappointing. So it's not to say that Ep.1 was terrible, but that it did not deliver what you expected, and this is how I feel about nearly every 2D -> 3D Nintendo translation.

As I've posted in other threads, I was a big fan of Nintendo's 2D games, including the Mario and Zelda series - I had both NES and SNES. Unlike SEGA's 3D remakes, I feel that Nintendo failed to capture the soul and gameplay of these 2D games in their 3D remakes. If you play Sonic Adventure for Dreamcast, and compare it to Sonic for Genesis, it somehow feels nearly the same despite one being a side scrolling platformer and the other being a 3rd person platformer. If you play Super Mario Brothers, it plays nothing like Mario 64 - same goes for Zelda. In essence, I feel the games got slogged down in their 3D translations. Action seemed to be slowed down, and a greater focus put on adventure. This is not really what the Mario or Zelda series were about. Though both had adventuring aspects, they were relatively fast paced action games as well. I don't feel that the fast pace translated to 3D - and it's not because of 3D technology, as SEGA proved with Sonic Adventure. Now that's not to say that Zelda:OOT or any other 3D Zelda is a 'bad game' - it just doesn't seem like classic Zelda in my eyes, it seems more like just some other adventure game starring Link. Same goes for F-Zero X - they took the concept and cars, but failed to deliver the feeling of the 2D SNES F-Zero. Ironically, from the screenshots posted so far SEGA seems to have recaptured the feeling of the 2D F-Zero, and I have faith it may actually turn out pretty awesome since SEGA has proved they can do successful 2D -> 3D translations.

And, for the record, I believe Nintendo needs to come up with much, much better sound effects and less juvenile speech samples in their Mario/Zelda games. Aside from the graphics and gameplay, I also feel that Nintendo has failed to deliver on the audio side - everyone remembers the theme songs from Super Mario 1, 2, and 3. How many people can remember non-recycled music from Mario 64? About the only audible thing most people remember is the incredibly annoying, high pitched "IT'S A MEEEE MARIOOO!!!" speech sample that played when you turned on the cart.

So again, I'm not saying they are bad games. But having a long history with Nintendo, they all were, and continue to be, major disappointments to me. I hope they go in a new direction with the Mario/Zelda franchises - maybe SEGA's work on F-Zero will inspire them.

[Ruined]

Originally posted by 1138
Is the first even a sequel? And you were dissapointed by it? I thought it was really good for the time and was ahaed of other games with the ability to look up and down and be able to jump.

Well I consider it a sequel to the Ultima franchise. Though they were technologically advanced, I felt that's really all they were... Tech demos with little substance. The AD&D/SSI games like Eye of the Beholder seemed to offer similar but much more interesting and rewarding gameplay experiences.

[elwood731]

Many fans of the Sonic series have actually considered the Sonic Adventure games to be horrible tanslations of those old games and huge let downs. While I don't particularly consider them to be let downs (I really like SA1), I do think it doesn't quite feel the same as the old Genesis games, so I am surprised to hear you say that. I also never thought of Zelda as an action title, but an exploration title. Maybe Zelda 2, but the original A Link to the Past were basically adventure games on the same level of Ocarina. If you're dissapointed in the direction Mario has taken, that might be more fair, as it does play differently now, but it never bothered me. I am not sure the 2D gameplay of Mario would translate at all to a 3D world.

And what games do you think Sega has done a good job translating to 3D? Personally, other than Sonic, I haven't been all that impressed with the likes of Shinobi and such, and as said, even Sonic didn't feel the same.

[Ruined]

Originally posted by elwood731
Many fans of the Sonic series have actually considered the Sonic Adventure games to be horrible tanslations of those old games and huge let downs.

Personally I thought Sonic Adventure 1 was fantastic. SA2 was a letdown, which isn't suprising considering SEGA was financially in the dumps when they made it.

While I don't particularly consider them to be let downs (I really like SA1), I do think it doesn't quite feel the same as the old Genesis games, so I am surprised to hear you say that.

The first level of Sonic Adventure 1 immediately brought back the "blast-processing" sonic speed for me. Everything from insanely fast speeds to breakable walls to spinning, etc... Seemed to work great.

I think the problem is the majority of people experiencing Sonic Adventure played SA2 on Gamecube, not the original Dreamcast Sonic Adventure which is the title I am referring to.

I also never thought of Zelda as an action title, but an exploration title. Maybe Zelda 2, but the original A Link to the Past were basically adventure games on the same level of Ocarina.

Really? In the original Zelda, how much onscreen time were you _not_ fighting monsters. Nearly every single screen of the map on Zelda 1 had monsters on it, and you were fighting them nearly the whole time. Though Zelda 2 had a town, you spent maybe 2-3 minutes in town getting techniques and healed, and then back out fighting again. This is far from the case in OOT, where you spend time lots of time in town and doing other tasks, walking while not fighting, doing puzzles, etc. Not to mention that the fast yet simple combat of Zelda 1 & 2 was replaced by slow and more complex combat in OOT. I'd say 90-95% of the time in Zelda 1 you had monsters onscreen you had to fight, maybe 85-90% in Zelda 2, which decreased probably to 20-25% in Zelda: OOT if you factor in the whole game and not just the fighting parts. Link's swordplay also devolved after Zelda 2. If you recall, in Zelda 2 you could block or attack high and low, and often had to have very quick reflexes to fight some of the harder knights in the game. This was not replicated in any Zelda game to date. (In case you were curious I'm not crazy about SNES zelda either, though I liked it better than OOT)

If you're dissapointed in the direction Mario has taken, that might be more fair, as it does play differently now, but it never bothered me. I am not sure the 2D gameplay of Mario would translate at all to a 3D world.

Well, as I stated I feel Sonic Adventure was a successful conversion of Sonic from 2D -> 3D, and Sonic & Mario were competing 2D platformers at the time.

And what games do you think Sega has done a good job translating to 3D? Personally, other than Sonic, I haven't been all that impressed with the likes of Shinobi and such, and as said, even Sonic didn't feel the same.

Well, like I said I thought Sonic Adventure was excellent. Toejam and Earl 3 does a fine job of recreating the feel of the first while implementing elements of the second. Shinobi was a good translation, maintaining the challenge of the original. Ecco the Dolphin felt right. Phantasy Star Online brought the feel of the Phantasy Star world to 3D, albeit in a more action-oriented form. And, as I stated, F-Zero GC looks very impressive and true to the SNES original, unlike N64's F-Zero X. I guess the fact that SEGA has in my mind successfully converted the feel of 4-5 games in 2D -> 3D is a big leap from Nintendo who in my mind has only successfully converted the feel of one (Metroid Prime), and even so with that title I think they watered down the controls.

[MooglePorn]

Even though Zelda : A Link to the Past is still my favorite, none of the others really "let me down"... maybe Wind Waker's length...

Even though Final Fantasy 6 is my favorite, none of the others have ever "let me down", though X certainly has some problems...

In trying to think of a really good series with a really good game that just doesn't live up to what it could have been, I have come up with...

Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty

Still good, still fun, but not nearly as good, thrilling, fun, or revolutionary as the first...

(Oh, and the story sucks toward the end:flush: )