DD5.1 in PEARL HARBOR - DVDfile.com forum for DVD, Blu-Ray, and HD-DVD

jonesie · 12-24-2001, 12:43 PM

Sound "flutters" on PEARL HARBOR in DD5.1 mode. DTS works fine. I'm using a JVC "65" DVD player and a Kenwood 510 receiver. Any ideas?

werther · 12-24-2001, 02:20 PM

best idea seems to be: Look the DTS soundtrack its better anyway

richtong · 12-26-2001, 07:34 AM

Yup, I've got the same glitching problem on my Toshiba 6200 player driving a Denon 989 AVR. Nice that DTS 6.1 works, but it is too bad that this is DD5.1 is the default and you have to go to setup to change it rather than just switching tracks on the fly.

***chlngr1970*** · 01-10-2002, 01:15 AM

Check THIS out...

Quote:

from the Onkyo website
Questions or concerns about new DVDs including Jurassic Park 3 and Pearl Harbor? - 12/21/01

Valued ONKYO Customers,

During a recent software testing session in our labs we have encountered a problem with several newly released DVDs that we want to make you aware of. Specifically we have experienced problems with Jurassic Park 3 and Pearl Harbor. The problem in question is related to audio dropouts at various points throughout both movies when playing the Dolby Digital soundtrack. After conducting a thorough investigation into this issue we have identified what we believe to be the cause of the problem and would like to make you aware of our findings and a recommended solution.

I was at a local High end shop auditioning some B&W CDM speakers, and we experienced the problem. I was coming here to check on reports and the good people at Onkyo are on top of things

It's interesting that a major manfacture is taking this kind of inititive(sp?) with glitches like this. The full story can be read here.

Good luck to all with this "little" problem.

j

tomdkat · 01-10-2002, 01:28 AM

I have NOT experienced this problem on my Pioneer gear. I own this DVD, so I will watch the DD version tonight. TO make sure I fully understand, the audio will dropout COMPLETELY at some points in the movie and then return or will it vary in volume ("flutter")?

Does it happen at any specific spots?

My gear:

Pioneer DVL-919 DVD/LD player
Pioneer Elite VSX-24TX receiver

Since Pearl Harbor is a THX Mastered DVD, I put my receiver in 'THX Cinema' mode. Do you think this might impact the incorrect behavior?

Peace.....

richtong · 01-10-2002, 05:43 AM

It is terrific that Onkyo is looking into this! I found it on Jurassic Park III sure enough. Turns out we just rented it. It is a complete dropout in sound every 10-30 seconds and appears to happen in all DD 5.1 modes. So going to THX Cinema doesn't appear to help. Happens in vanilla DD5.1 too.

MARVEL · 01-10-2002, 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tomdkat
I have NOT experienced this problem on my Pioneer gear.

Me neither.:p Speaking as the 2nd resident Pioneer man. I have both movies and I often watch JPIII and have had nary a problem with either sound track.

***SeanL*** · 01-10-2002, 07:19 AM

No problems with my Onkyo receiver.

tomdkat · 01-10-2002, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tomdkat
I have NOT experienced this problem on my Pioneer gear. I own this DVD, so I will watch the DD version tonight. TO make sure I fully understand, the audio will dropout COMPLETELY at some points in the movie and then return or will it vary in volume ("flutter")?

Does it happen at any specific spots?

My gear:

Pioneer DVL-919 DVD/LD player
Pioneer Elite VSX-24TX receiver

Since Pearl Harbor is a THX Mastered DVD, I put my receiver in 'THX Cinema' mode. Do you think this might impact the incorrect behavior?

Peace.....

Ok, I watched disc 1 of Pearl Harbor last night in DD 5.1 and THX Cinema mode and everything played just fine. NO dropouts or anything.

If Onkyo thinks it's a problem with the DD mastering, I wonder why ALL players/receivers don't experience the problem.

Hmm........

Peace.....

richtong · 01-11-2002, 05:11 AM

I would guess because there is ambiguity in the decoding spec. Feels like there is some unusual encoding pattern and that the Onkyo DSP takes some time to recover. Just a guess.

DiscLord · 01-13-2002, 06:48 PM

Dolby has confirmed that there's been some problems with recent AC-3 encoded bitstreams and decoders - apparently, they've added features to the bitstream for HDTV broadcasts and they are being set incorrectly when encoding DVD's - this affects certain later-model receivers. I have a Sony EP9ES AC-3 decoder, DVP-S7700 DVD, Panasonic DVD-RAM DMR-E20, and a Pioneer DVL-700 and have never had any trouble with ANY title in AC-3. Nor have I experienced any form of trouble in DTS with my Millennium 2.4.6 DTS decoder.

Cheers!
Ty C. :-)

***1138*** · 01-13-2002, 08:37 PM

Welcome to the forum DiscLord!

DannyZuko · 04-14-2002, 07:19 PM

I have experienced these "Flutters" in sound on a number of discs:

STAR WARS - EPISODE 1 has 5 or 6 drop outs
DIE HARD 1,2,3 - DH 1 has 2 drop outs, DH 2 has 2 and DH 3 has about 4.

I used to have a problem with TERMINATOR 2 but for some strange reason plays OK now!

The drop outs happen at different times each time I watch a film and is REALLY off putting:rar:

My setup is TOSHIBA 2107 player and DENON 3800 amp connected by coaxial.

I dread watching a DVD for the first time in case it deciedes to have a flutter!:flush:

12-24-2001, 12:43 PM	#1 (permalink)
jonesie Supporting Actor Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Virginia	DD5.1 in PEARL HARBOR Sound "flutters" on PEARL HARBOR in DD5.1 mode. DTS works fine. I'm using a JVC "65" DVD player and a Kenwood 510 receiver. Any ideas?

12-24-2001, 02:20 PM	#2 (permalink)
werther Actor Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany	best idea seems to be: Look the DTS soundtrack its better anyway __________________ Movielovers are very sick people My DVD Collection

12-26-2001, 07:34 AM	#3 (permalink)
richtong Supporting Actor Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bellevue, WA	Got it too on a Toshiba 6200 Yup, I've got the same glitching problem on my Toshiba 6200 player driving a Denon 989 AVR. Nice that DTS 6.1 works, but it is too bad that this is DD5.1 is the default and you have to go to setup to change it rather than just switching tracks on the fly.

01-10-2002, 01:28 AM	#5 (permalink)
tomdkat Official Forum Warmonger "Dial Tone" Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hayward, CA, USA	I have NOT experienced this problem on my Pioneer gear. I own this DVD, so I will watch the DD version tonight. TO make sure I fully understand, the audio will dropout COMPLETELY at some points in the movie and then return or will it vary in volume ("flutter")? Does it happen at any specific spots? My gear: Pioneer DVL-919 DVD/LD player Pioneer Elite VSX-24TX receiver Since Pearl Harbor is a THX Mastered DVD, I put my receiver in 'THX Cinema' mode. Do you think this might impact the incorrect behavior? Peace..... __________________ My DVD Aficionado List "At last we shall reveal ourselves to the Jedi, at last we shall have revenge!"

01-10-2002, 07:19 AM	#8 (permalink)
*SeanL* Producer/Admin Got BMG? Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NW Florida	No problems with my Onkyo receiver. __________________ Forum Administrator "You can never go home again, Oatman... but I guess you can shop there."

01-10-2002, 05:43 AM	#6 (permalink)
richtong Supporting Actor Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bellevue, WA	It is terrific that Onkyo is looking into this! I found it on Jurassic Park III sure enough. Turns out we just rented it. It is a complete dropout in sound every 10-30 seconds and appears to happen in all DD 5.1 modes. So going to THX Cinema doesn't appear to help. Happens in vanilla DD5.1 too.

01-11-2002, 05:11 AM	#10 (permalink)
richtong Supporting Actor Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bellevue, WA	I would guess because there is ambiguity in the decoding spec. Feels like there is some unusual encoding pattern and that the Onkyo DSP takes some time to recover. Just a guess.

01-13-2002, 06:48 PM	#11 (permalink)
DiscLord Supporting Actor Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO	Dolby has confirmed that there's been some problems with recent AC-3 encoded bitstreams and decoders - apparently, they've added features to the bitstream for HDTV broadcasts and they are being set incorrectly when encoding DVD's - this affects certain later-model receivers. I have a Sony EP9ES AC-3 decoder, DVP-S7700 DVD, Panasonic DVD-RAM DMR-E20, and a Pioneer DVL-700 and have never had any trouble with ANY title in AC-3. Nor have I experienced any form of trouble in DTS with my Millennium 2.4.6 DTS decoder. Cheers! Ty C. :-)

01-13-2002, 08:37 PM	#12 (permalink)
*1138* Producer/Admin Careful, or I'll ban myself... Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	Welcome to the forum DiscLord! __________________ Administrator I got a rock and roll band. I got a rock and roll life. I got a rock and roll girlfriend. And another ex-wife.

04-14-2002, 07:19 PM	#13 (permalink)
DannyZuko Supporting Actor Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: UK	"FLUTTERS" on more discs!! I have experienced these "Flutters" in sound on a number of discs: STAR WARS - EPISODE 1 has 5 or 6 drop outs DIE HARD 1,2,3 - DH 1 has 2 drop outs, DH 2 has 2 and DH 3 has about 4. I used to have a problem with TERMINATOR 2 but for some strange reason plays OK now! The drop outs happen at different times each time I watch a film and is REALLY off putting:rar: My setup is TOSHIBA 2107 player and DENON 3800 amp connected by coaxial. I dread watching a DVD for the first time in case it deciedes to have a flutter!:flush:

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