Where are all the DLP lovers?

[Frankie]

I’ve always been a big fan of DLP technology. The eye popping color is its biggest asset. It’s sad that it never really gained the notoriety that Plasma and LCD attained. I’m not really sure why this is.

Are there any DLP supporters left out there?

Panasonic stopped making them but I see Samsung makes a nice 1080P set.

My DLP Panasonic does 720 but when the time comes and I make the jump to a 1080 a Sammy DLP will be the first set I look at.

A DLP creates a better picture then any Plasma hands down.! The color pops off the screen.

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[ganthc]

All the DLP lovers are too busy trying to find a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

I kid! But I get sick of all the "It's the mirrors" commercials. I refuse to buy a DLP TV for that reason alone. Stupid elephant! Stupid little girl that makes things all big!

[tomdkat]

A friend of mine recently bought a 65" DLP Mits that I simply adore for $1599!

I'm a DLP fan and when I'm able to upgrade my TV, I'll certainly consider one.

Peace...

[dugpa]

I like my Samsung DLP just as a friend.
But seriously, no complaints here. I think it never caught on because people have some sort of strange fixation with hanging their display on the wall out of the way, to which I say why not just get a projector and have nothing on the wall in the way either. But clearly DLP isn't as popular because of size.

[brian]

I don't like DLPs because I see the rainbow effect, even though I've been told it's impossible that I'm seeing them. They drive me crazy! And the black levels are awful on the sets I've spent time with.

I like CRT direct-view sets. Except for their weight.

[Derb]

I've owned a Samsung & Toshiba briefly. The rainbow effect kinda bugged me. The picture is smooth, too smooth for my tastes with little sharpness in the image.

Colors are excellent no doubt. After spending a bunch of time tweaking the Samsung to perfection, the rainbows got more noticeable. Nighttime scenes, forget about it.

[EM3]

All I can say is that every set has a plus and minus. That's normal because of personal preferences. However, I must say that the wife and I love our DLP set. She is the one that picked it out. The families like it also.

[dugpa]

The thing about rainbows if you see them is you have to spend time with the set to get used to watching it. After a while your eyes adjust and they go away. But in modern society few people have patience. When I first bought my set I did see rainbows. But as I watched more I noticed them less, and now that I've had it for a little over a year I can't remember the last time I noticed any.

[ganthc]

Originally Posted by dugpa

The thing about rainbows if you see them is you have to spend time with the set to get used to watching it. After a while your eyes adjust and they go away. But in modern society few people have patience. When I first bought my set I did see rainbows. But as I watched more I noticed them less, and now that I've had it for a little over a year I can't remember the last time I noticed any.

This right here is shocking considering your attention to detail on artifacts.

[chlngr1970]

I must say, I am a DLP convert. Not to say that if I had the coin, I would buy a Barco Graphics 1209 or two But my 65" Mitsubishi is satisfactory for now. I just need to figure out how to get 1080P from my HTPC back on to the screen, and not over the edges.

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[billnye97]

I have a 61" RCA DLP that I love. For the price that I got it for it was definitely worth it ($1300 3 years ago). I just had to replace the bulb for $149 which wasn't to bad but it still kinda sucked. My roommate just bought a 52" Plasma and it definitely has its advantages but I love my DLP set just the same.

[Moonraker]

I love my samsung 1080p DLP, At first I did not see rainbows, then I started looking for them, and my eye could then pick up on them, after a while, I was able to turn my eye off to them and do not see them anymore. If I want to however, I know how to find them

[Ruined]

Personally I find LCOS to be a superior technology to DLP at this time.

Reason beings -
* Most DLP sets are still "wobulated", not true 1920x1080 resolution being displayed at once. It is perceptually full 1080p, but 1:1 pixel mapping is not truly possible as a result.
* While LED DLP sets have improved or removed "Rainbow effect" for some, the first model year of LED DLP suffered from poor contrast ratio and now the second model year which looks better suffers from a new "Prism effect" artifact.
* DLP seems to be less reliable than LCOS. Looking at various forums it appears not uncommon for something to go wrong with the $1000 light engine within 2 yrs of purchase. They have not seemed to have gotten the process down yet. Some even have to replace the light engine out of the box.

With that being said, TI now has out a full resolution unwobulated chip that does 1920x1080 resolution - however none of the current sets use it.

Also, looking at some of the new 3D technologies and how they are projected, its possible DLP may have a leg up on LCOS/LCD in this area looking far ahead in the future - although a simple stereoscopic 3D effect would most likely be possible on LCOS as well so long as the set is 120hz.

However with the negatives in mind, it is hard to generate a good list of "PROs" that overcome LCOS lack of weaknesses with the latest sets. Perfect convergeance might be one, though LCOS is pretty damn good out of the factory in most cases. Response time no longer seems to be an issue with LCOS.

[limacharliewhiskey]

The change in viewing angles was my main gripe against getting a DLP. Otherwise, it seems to offer the best bang-for-buck quality among the big screen technologies.

[dugpa]

Originally Posted by ganthc

This right here is shocking considering your attention to detail on artifacts.

Artifacts bug the hell out of me to the point that I don't think my eyes can be trained not to pick them up. Plus, working in the video world, sloppy encoding is one of my pet peeves.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by dugpa

Artifacts bug the hell out of me to the point that I don't think my eyes can be trained not to pick them up. Plus, working in the video world, sloppy encoding is one of my pet peeves.

Its also worthwhile to mention that some artifacts are more noticable in general than others.

[sub780lime]

I love my Samsung DLP. Some people have had issues with Samsung DLP's, my father included, but I haven't really (except for a dirty mirror that was quickly resolved). I do not see the rainbow affect so thats no bother, but I do see the screen door effect every once in a while on very bright white pictures, otherwise, I rarely notice it and my neighbor with a 61'' (to my 56'') doesn't see it at all. I have always been a proponent of DLP. Its quite feature rich for the money.

[ganthc]

Originally Posted by Ruined

Personally I find LCOS to be a superior technology to DLP at this time.

Reason beings -
* Most DLP sets are still "wobulated", not true 1920x1080 resolution being displayed at once. It is perceptually full 1080p, but 1:1 pixel mapping is not truly possible as a result.
* While LED DLP sets have improved or removed "Rainbow effect" for some, the first model year of LED DLP suffered from poor contrast ratio and now the second model year which looks better suffers from a new "Prism effect" artifact.
* DLP seems to be less reliable than LCOS. Looking at various forums it appears not uncommon for something to go wrong with the $1000 light engine within 2 yrs of purchase. They have not seemed to have gotten the process down yet. Some even have to replace the light engine out of the box.

With that being said, TI now has out a full resolution unwobulated chip that does 1920x1080 resolution - however none of the current sets use it.

Also, looking at some of the new 3D technologies and how they are projected, its possible DLP may have a leg up on LCOS/LCD in this area looking far ahead in the future - although a simple stereoscopic 3D effect would most likely be possible on LCOS as well so long as the set is 120hz.

However with the negatives in mind, it is hard to generate a good list of "PROs" that overcome LCOS lack of weaknesses with the latest sets. Perfect convergeance might be one, though LCOS is pretty damn good out of the factory in most cases. Response time no longer seems to be an issue with LCOS.

I have to agree with Ruined on this. I have always been impressed with the LCOS technology.

[rixrex]

Still have remained old-school with my Pioneer elite HD CRT rear-projector set. As long as I keep it up to snuff, it really does look great and so far I have not yet seen another set that can handle HD-DVD, S-DVD and the DVDO unit legacy sources with the same clarity.

I have actually taken my equipment into the big-screen retailer here to test the new sets a couiple years ago, and was not impressed with any of them enough to consider a change. Of course, now things might be different, but I decided to wait for the Pioneer to die first.

One thing's for sure, all of the newer sets are way lighter than my old set, so that will be a plus.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by rixrex

Still have remained old-school with my Pioneer elite HD CRT rear-projector set. As long as I keep it up to snuff, it really does look great and so far I have not yet seen another set that can handle HD-DVD, S-DVD and the DVDO unit legacy sources with the same clarity.

I have actually taken my equipment into the big-screen retailer here to test the new sets a couiple years ago, and was not impressed with any of them enough to consider a change. Of course, now things might be different, but I decided to wait for the Pioneer to die first.

One thing's for sure, all of the newer sets are way lighter than my old set, so that will be a plus.

I was in the same boat as your rix, but I suggest you check out an ISF-calibrated Sony KDS-60A3000 in a proper environment (i.e. darkened theater room, not showroom floor). I believe this is the digital set that sinks CRT in overall quality. Check it out.

[Derb]

Originally Posted by Ruined

Personally I find LCOS to be a superior technology to DLP at this time.

Reason beings -
* Most DLP sets are still "wobulated", not true 1920x1080 resolution being displayed at once. It is perceptually full 1080p, but 1:1 pixel mapping is not truly possible as a result.
* While LED DLP sets have improved or removed "Rainbow effect" for some, the first model year of LED DLP suffered from poor contrast ratio and now the second model year which looks better suffers from a new "Prism effect" artifact.
* DLP seems to be less reliable than LCOS. Looking at various forums it appears not uncommon for something to go wrong with the $1000 light engine within 2 yrs of purchase. They have not seemed to have gotten the process down yet. Some even have to replace the light engine out of the box.

With that being said, TI now has out a full resolution unwobulated chip that does 1920x1080 resolution - however none of the current sets use it.

Also, looking at some of the new 3D technologies and how they are projected, its possible DLP may have a leg up on LCOS/LCD in this area looking far ahead in the future - although a simple stereoscopic 3D effect would most likely be possible on LCOS as well so long as the set is 120hz.

However with the negatives in mind, it is hard to generate a good list of "PROs" that overcome LCOS lack of weaknesses with the latest sets. Perfect convergeance might be one, though LCOS is pretty damn good out of the factory in most cases. Response time no longer seems to be an issue with LCOS.

Great info there.

[rixrex]

Originally Posted by Ruined

I was in the same boat as your rix, but I suggest you check out an ISF-calibrated Sony KDS-60A3000 in a proper environment (i.e. darkened theater room, not showroom floor). I believe this is the digital set that sinks CRT in overall quality. Check it out.

On your recommendation, I will do that. And especially since Pioneer dropped their biggest sets to 60".

Does Sony have the same thing in a larger size screen? I also planned to look at some Mitsubishi 65" and 73" sets.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by rixrex

On your recommendation, I will do that. And especially since Pioneer dropped their biggest sets to 60".

Does Sony have the same thing in a larger size screen? I also planned to look at some Mitsubishi 65" and 73" sets.

Sony has a 70" version coming out Q1 next year.

[seezar]

I've got a 50" sammy 1080p DLP set and I love it. I began seeing rainbows pretty easily after about a month of owning it but within a couple months afterward I was no loner able to see them.

I had it professionally calibrated by Eliab and the picture on the set is just amazing.

[powerknowledge]

Just another voice in the pro-SXRD camp here! I really hope my 60A2020 has longevity; soon enough Sony will drop that line like all others jumping off the RPTV train, and the prospect of not being able to replace it makes me a little teary. Guess I'll have to "settle" for FP then.

That said, we're probably not that far from having retina-implanted display devices that, courtesy of a brain kill-switch, will allow us to close our eyes and dream of electric sheep. My kill-switch is already installed, incidentally, and works great with anything by Michael Bay.