Panasonic BD50 will likely not have LFE bug, accourding to AVSFORUM insiders

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by supercutz

What the hell is going on in here

Apparently the BD50 is a firecracker of a conversation-starter

[Iguana Man]

PHL Reference Chroma Processor

What the deal with this? Is it as good as the Reon for upscalling?

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by Iguana Man

PHL Reference Chroma Processor

What the deal with this? Is it as good as the Reon for upscalling?

Not even remotely in the same league as the Reon/XA2/HD805.

In terms of upscaling I'd say its worse than the HD-A35's, but probably on par with a decent standard upscaling DVD player like the Oppo players.

I know this because according to Panasonic the BD50 is apparently going to use the same upscaling as the BD30. In fact I've heard in many areas the BD50 is virtually identical to the BD30, with the exceptions of the LFE fix, audio codec decoding features, analog outs, and BD2.0 features. Thats a lot of exceptions, but fixes and extras aside the core player functionality itself is apparently nearly the same as the BD30. Essentially they took the BD30, fixed its problems, and built a bunch of new features around it.

[ganthc]

Upscaling is becoming less and less a factor for me, as I stop watching sd-dvd's. For TV shows, they will look crappy no matter how good the upconversion supposedly is. Other movies will probably be the same as well.

[zepherman]

If this player is everything that it's supposed to be, and doesn't have the LFE problem, this just might be the one that will replace my S300. Let's hope this thing lives up to all it's claims.


Seth

[Derb]

Ruined fair enough,

Your right, that Microsoft comment was uncalled for.

You seem to think that because something is on paper it materializes 100% in the real world. Sorry but both the initial batch of TrueHD & LPCM tracks offered clearly sounded different from one another. As I said the first title which offered both, the edge went to TrueHD. BTW, have you seen the TrueHD trailer? It spikes well past 11mbps at 7.1 channels & is the loudest/clearest thing i've heard. You know like dts & dolby trailers where all channels get a workout while when select the film its nowhere near as nice.

Stomp the Yard, (great movie btw. ) is the first title I was referring to where the TrueHD track edges out the LPCM & not because of 4db increase in volume. The actual mix is different, so don't be putting 100% faith in studio's claim you are getting the true master because they say so.

AS for the PS3 comments, they come directly at your comparisons to the BD-50 vs. the PS3.

Here is my contribution in dollar signs,

21960 (732 titles)
2350 (4 HD DVD devises)
650 (Ps3)

$24.960 EST

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by Derb

Ruined fair enough,

Your right, that Microsoft comment was uncalled for.

You seem to think that because something is on paper it materializes 100% in the real world. Sorry but both the initial batch of TrueHD & LPCM tracks offered clearly sounded different from one another. As I said the first title which offered both, the edge went to TrueHD. BTW, have you seen the TrueHD trailer? It spikes well past 11mbps at 7.1 channels & is the loudest/clearest thing i've heard. You know like dts & dolby trailers where all channels get a workout while when select the film its nowhere near as nice.

Stomp the Yard, (great movie btw. ) is the first title I was referring to where the TrueHD track edges out the LPCM & not because of 4db increase in volume. The actual mix is different, so don't be putting 100% faith in studio's claim you are getting the true master because they say so.

AS for the PS3 comments, they come directly at your comparisons to the BD-50 vs. the PS3.

Derb, I'm not claiming that TrueHD soundtracks and PCM soundtracks will always sound the same in terms of the soundtrack, but rather in terms of a FORMAT they will always sound the same. No matter the condition, TrueHD and DTS-HDMA always produce mathematicaly identical waveforms to PCM. That means, no matter what, they will always sound identical. That has been proven by both Dolby and DTS in their whitepapers for their lossless codecs.

As you propose, it is possible that one might have a different master than another. Another factor is that both PCM and DTS-HDMA have a slightly higher master volume level than TrueHD. But in either case, that does not make TrueHD as a format better or worse than PCM. You are then comparing masters, not codecs. As codecs, fed the same master they will always have identical output. If anything, TrueHD/DTS-HDMA as codecs will always arguably be superior to PCM because fed the same master they will offer the same exact output at much smaller average and peak bitrates... Which you can use for higher res sound, more extras, etc.

And that was the problem with your initial posts on TrueHD vs PCM. You frequently implied or outright stated that as a FORMAT PCM sounded better than TrueHD. Which of course is impossible. Sure, master might be different in some cases. But then you are no longer comparing codecs, you are comparing masters and it is important to note that in your post for those who may not be informed on the subject.

[morkys]

Will the BD50 have 7.1 analog outputs?

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by morkys

Will the BD50 have 7.1 analog outputs?

Looks like only 5.1... 7.1 over HDMI only.

Makes sense, I mean most receivers that don't have HDMI only have 5.1 analog input...

[videoworx]

Originally Posted by morkys

Will the BD50 have 7.1 analog outputs?

Looks like 5.1 to me. At 32 seconds into this video, you can see the back panel:
http://reviews.cnet.com/Panasonic_DM...7-6826915.html

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by videoworx

Looks like 5.1 to me. At 32 seconds into this video, you can see the back panel:
http://reviews.cnet.com/Panasonic_DM...7-6826915.html

Panasonic's official specs only list 5.1 analog output as well.

[morkys]

Marantz SR 9300 has 7.1 inputs and no HDMI.

I thought I heard that it may still have 7.1 inputs. I have HDMI on my 9600 but a friend with a 9300 could really use 7.1 analog inputs.

Originally Posted by Ruined

Panasonic's official specs only list 5.1 analog output as well.

Where are there official specs?

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by morkys

Where are there official specs?

http://panasonic.net/pavc/blu-ray/dm.../features.html

Nothing to get excited about anyway... How many movies are there with 7.1 masters... Like 20? Not losing much IMO.

[Shadowman82]

I agree on that one . I don't even have a 7.1 set up , I only have a 6.1 channel one . I think there is just too little available in 7.1 to warrant it and honestly I don't see the need for it at all .

[morkys]

Well, it's nice to have the ability to play all of the possible soundtracks to their fullest. As a minimum, my receiver seems to be able to apply DPL IIx to any multi-channel PCM soundtrack, including DD True HD etc, so at least I can toy with 7.1 even if it's matrixed.

[Shadowman82]

True but to me anyway it's not worth the extra hassle .