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dugpa · 07-26-2007, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by limacharliewhiskey

ST:TOS is being shown daily on Nick at Nite's TV Land channel, and my local NBC station is broadcasting it weekly on Sunday night/Monday morning at 12AM. I might have to check out the NBC broadcast to see if it is being shown in HD or not.

TVLand runs the old version, not the remastered one. None of the local stations run the remastered version in HD as Paramount did not offer it in HD. Until the HD-DVD comes out, the only way to see it in HD is if you download it with the Xbox.

Iguana Man · 07-26-2007, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dugpa

Yes, there is singing. Go listen to the original again in the second and third season, there's a female voice following the main melody. That's what they re-recorded.

Wait, are we talking the original series? The opener part with space the final frontier crap? There was humming but I will be damned if there was a chick singing words.

dugpa · 07-26-2007, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Iguana Man

Wait, are we talking the original series? The opener part with space the final frontier crap? There was humming but I will be damned if there was a chick singing words.

Didn't I just say "there's a female voice following the main melody"? I didn't say there was a chick singing words. That "humming" as you call it is what they re-recorded for the new remastered version. The actual word lyrics were never recorded or used in the series, since the sole reason for their existance was to give Roddenberry an extra paycheck and nothing more.
If you watch the trailer for the remastered series you can actually see them recording the new theme. Star Trek Remastered Trailer

Iguana Man · 07-26-2007, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dugpa

Didn't I just say "there's a female voice following the main melody"? I didn't say there was a chick singing words. That "humming" as you call it is what they re-recorded for the new remastered version.

Uhmm, I orginally said no singing to which you responded yes. I was just checking since I was dumfounded that after all these years I missed something. I love you to dear.

***Wirehed*** · 07-26-2007, 08:35 PM

Just watch the trailer linked above, it will answer your questions.

Iguana Man · 07-26-2007, 08:39 PM

HOT DAMN! This is going to be BIG for HD-DVD and I mean Star Wars big.

sub780lime · 07-26-2007, 09:59 PM

Only Star Wars Is Star Wars Big!

Iguana Man · 07-26-2007, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sub780lime

Only Star Wars Is Star Wars Big!

Oh YEAH? Go here and feel the pain! Oh wait...crap! Never mind.

dugpa · 07-27-2007, 12:12 AM

It is big, make no mistake about it. For one thing, since the only SD DVD version of the remastered episodes being released on DVD is the combo version, that means every Trek fan who hasn't gotten into HD yet is going to have to buy this HD-DVD/DVD combo set. So if the sales numbers for this set get counted for HD-DVD, which it will, sales should be huge. The consumer base for SD DVD is way bigger than either of the HD formats.

"The Dude" · 07-27-2007, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by dugpa

It is big, make no mistake about it. For one thing, since the only SD DVD version of the remastered episodes being released on DVD is the combo version, that means every Trek fan who hasn't gotten into HD yet is going to have to buy this HD-DVD/DVD combo set. So if the sales numbers for this set get counted for HD-DVD, which it will, sales should be huge. The consumer base for SD DVD is way bigger than either of the HD formats.

That's my only complaint about this release - the dreaded combo.

I haven't seen every remastered episode, only some of them. I do like the remastered versions better. Like others have said, the new f/x aren't in your face. There subtle and tried to stay true to the original shots, like what was done with ST:TMP. They even used the same camera angles.

I have yet to buy the TOS on video/dvd and after hearing about the remastered versions, I've been holding off until now.

So this set will be mine!

One quick question about the remastered TOS. Did they only redo the f/x for the space shots or everything (space, phasers, etc.)?

Any word about the films?

Derb · 07-27-2007, 12:30 AM

Only interested in this if looks "just" as good as The Searchers. Hopefully Paramount can pull off a reference "old school" catalog.

dugpa · 07-27-2007, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by "The Dude"

One quick question about the remastered TOS. Did they only redo the f/x for the space shots or everything (space, phasers, etc.)?

It depends on the episode and the amount of time they had, but in most cases they re-did space shots and anything that had an effect to it, also some background paintings. Here're some examples, top is new version, bottom is original:

"The Dude" · 07-27-2007, 01:17 AM

Thanks Dugpa. Yeah, I definately prefer the remastered versions. If only we were getting the films too.

dugpa · 07-27-2007, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by "The Dude"

If only we were getting the films too.

I know they've been remastered as well, so I suspect Paramount is just waiting for the right time. They'll probably put them out around the time JJ Abrams new film comes out.

Taxi · 07-27-2007, 03:34 AM

I guess I'm too much of a purist. Sure the upper images "look" better, but that's not what I grew up with.

MooglePorn · 07-27-2007, 04:23 AM

Yeah, the new versions look better of course, but part of the charm of that show is how the originally look, IMO. I might get this anyway, but I'm not jazzed for it really.

dugpa · 07-27-2007, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Taxi

I guess I'm too much of a purist. Sure the upper images "look" better, but that's not what I grew up with.

Well that's why you have the original dvd set to watch. Truth be told part of the reason they did new effects shots is because the original ones had to be printed over and over in layers to get everything in the shot, which pulled the quality down a lot. If they blew them up to HD, they'd look pretty fuzzy and grainy. Considering how much people here bitch about a disc if it doesn't "pop" like their football games they're used to watching, I can see why for the HD transfers CBS would want to save themselves the grief and just redo them.

Iguana Man · 07-28-2007, 02:16 PM

I'm kinda torn on this. I love the idea of TOS coming to HD but taking a closer look at the photos above, I dunno. The 'look' of the Enterprise seems off to me. The saucer section is darker, almost too grey compared to the original look. The shots of the ship firing it's phasers - take another look. To me, the HD version lost some of the intricate details under the saucer.

I can see Taxi's point in this regard yet I know damn well I'm going to buy it anyway.

EDITED: When is this going to be available for preorder on Amazon? Anyone know?

dugpa · 07-28-2007, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Iguana Man

but taking a closer look at the photos above, I dunno. The 'look' of the Enterprise seems off to me. The saucer section is darker, almost too grey compared to the original look. The shots of the ship firing it's phasers - take another look. To me, the HD version lost some of the intricate details under the saucer.

The details look the same to me, you just don't notice them as much because the lighting is now correct. In the original they couldn't properly light it relative to the objects around it, it was brute force bright light all the time over the entire ship. In the new ones it's properly lit based on the objects around it, which is why it sometimes looks darker. There are shadows where there should be and the lighting is more subtle. Remember, in space objects are lit based on reflection from whatever the nearest light source is, usually the star for that system. That can be a good ways away.

Iguana Man · 07-28-2007, 04:37 PM

I just went over to startrek.com and checked out all their comparison shots. Many, and I mean many of them look fantastic. I understand the lighting aspect and all, but one shot of the top of the ship really threw me. It looked so smooth and grey and I dunno. Overall I'm happy and like I said, I will own this.

Oh yeah, and some shots while maybe being more color correct now, actually appear less colorfull than the originals. Maybe I too am a purist when taking about this show, but damn....I gonna get me some HD TOS regardless.

kama · 07-28-2007, 06:02 PM

I can wait for Blu

Ruined · 07-28-2007, 08:53 PM

I think dugpa is right that this is one show where you'd probably get most people complaining about the HD version if they didn't re-do the effects if necessary to get HD quality, especially with the process dugpa mentioned which probably blurred out any additional detail that would have been made possible with a straight up HD transfer of the originals. I guess they could try to emulate the original effects by redoing them from scratch, but why spend all that money when people would likely pay more money for the version with new effects? Plus, emulating the original effects still wouldn't be "authentic" to some ST fans.

Iguana Man · 07-28-2007, 11:48 PM

I can guarantee this is a HUGE move to making the war one which will favor HD-DVD come November. And, it's right before Xmas.

Blu is gonna be black and blue after this series hits consumers.

Yep....I said it first. Sort of. Kind of. Okay...I tried.

Shawn Watson · 07-29-2007, 12:20 AM

Goddamn I SOOOOOO want this. I cannot possibly tell you how much I fucking want this.

I want this.

Shawn

***chlngr1970*** · 07-29-2007, 02:25 AM

Well, I think we found out what Shawn considers good stuff

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Shawn Watson · 07-29-2007, 01:02 PM

The price is very high though.

And then there's import duties on top of it.

But some of those above shots look like they are in 1.78:1.

Shawn

dugpa · 07-29-2007, 03:19 PM

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But some of

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Iguana Man Ex-BadHumor Man Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Jersey, USA	I'm kinda torn on this. I love the idea of TOS coming to HD but taking a closer look at the photos above, I dunno. The 'look' of the Enterprise seems off to me. The saucer section is darker, almost too grey compared to the original look. The shots of the ship firing it's phasers - take another look. To me, the HD version lost some of the intricate details under the saucer. I can see Taxi's point in this regard yet I know damn well I'm going to buy it anyway. EDITED: When is this going to be available for preorder on Amazon? Anyone know? __________________ Get outside and have fun! Nacho Website Focus Last edited by Iguana Man : 07-28-2007 at 03:29 PM. Reason: Question added

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Iguana Man Ex-BadHumor Man Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Jersey, USA	I just went over to startrek.com and checked out all their comparison shots. Many, and I mean many of them look fantastic. I understand the lighting aspect and all, but one shot of the top of the ship really threw me. It looked so smooth and grey and I dunno. Overall I'm happy and like I said, I will own this. Oh yeah, and some shots while maybe being more color correct now, actually appear less colorfull than the originals. Maybe I too am a purist when taking about this show, but damn....I gonna get me some HD TOS regardless. __________________ Get outside and have fun! Nacho Website Focus

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Ruined It's Good to Play Together Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: NJ, USA	I think dugpa is right that this is one show where you'd probably get most people complaining about the HD version if they didn't re-do the effects if necessary to get HD quality, especially with the process dugpa mentioned which probably blurred out any additional detail that would have been made possible with a straight up HD transfer of the originals. I guess they could try to emulate the original effects by redoing them from scratch, but why spend all that money when people would likely pay more money for the version with new effects? Plus, emulating the original effects still wouldn't be "authentic" to some ST fans. __________________ For every shadow, no matter how deep, is threatened by morning light. Last edited by Ruined : 07-28-2007 at 09:00 PM.

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