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Ruined · 07-27-2007, 01:25 AM

http://gear.ign.com/articles/808/808350p1.html

BDA is really FUDing it up!

dugpa · 07-27-2007, 02:21 AM

All that article really brings up is the question of why the HD-DVD promotions group hasn't bought encaps at Target or Walmart. Having cheap players is nice, but if no one knows about them it's a moot point.

supercutz · 07-27-2007, 02:39 AM

I went to 4 Targets earlier this week searching for Monster Squad and noticed all still had plenty of HD-DVD movies on full display and at full price no less. It didn't look like any of the stores were going BR-only any time soon (if at all).

dugpa · 07-27-2007, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by supercutz

It didn't look like any of the stores were going BR-only any time soon (if at all).

The rumor was talking about hardware, not software.

ganthc · 07-27-2007, 02:51 PM

Yeah, this changes nothing. It's just hd-dvd trying to temper the mistake they made in not securing a deal with Target to sell their hardware in the stores. Sure the hda0 is in stores, but I think you've stated pretty clearly Ruined, that people don't use their consoles to watch movies, so I guess that means nothing. True they are selling their players online, but you have also stated that most consumers buy in the B&M stores. To NOT have toshiba players on the shelves in the second largest retailer in the nation is a HUGE blow to the sales goals for Toshiba. To try and press release your way out of that is just lame. If only Toshiba and hd-dvd marketed as well as they issued press releases, they might actually be performing better.

supercutz · 07-27-2007, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dugpa

The rumor was talking about hardware, not software.

Oh, ok. Thanks for clarifying

MooglePorn · 07-28-2007, 09:23 AM

I still think it's a blow to HD DVD... Target will only carry BD stand-alone players, and from everything I have heard they're going to phasing out HD DVD over the next few months, maybe only carrying key titles.

No offense to anyone, but HD DVD really needs to die soon so that consumers feel secure to embrace BD... If either of them is going to prosper it needs to happen.

Derb · 07-28-2007, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by MooglePorn

I still think it's a blow to HD DVD... Target will only carry BD stand-alone players, and from everything I have heard they're going to phasing out HD DVD over the next few months, maybe only carrying key titles.

No offense to anyone, but HD DVD really needs to die soon so that consumers feel secure to embrace BD... If either of them is going to prosper it needs to happen.

Yeah but the sad fact is if HD DVD goes away, BD will die along with it.

187ontheVHS · 07-28-2007, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Derb

Yeah but the sad fact is if HD DVD goes away, BD will die along with it.

How so?

***chlngr1970*** · 07-28-2007, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MooglePorn

No offense to anyone, but HD DVD really needs to die soon so that consumers feel secure to embrace BD... If either of them is going to prosper it needs to happen.

HD DVD is NOT going anytime soon. In spite of all the propaganda put out by the BDA, HD DVD is doing quite well

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venetian blinds · 07-28-2007, 03:35 PM

"No offense to anyone, but HD DVD really needs to die soon so that consumers feel secure to embrace BD..."

No offense but thats a stupid comment. Can't you just relax and let people like me enjoy HD-DVD? HD-DVD is making movies that at minimum look just as good as blu, so why on earth would i want to change?

dugpa · 07-28-2007, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MooglePorn

I have heard they're going to phasing out HD DVD over the next few months, maybe only carrying key titles.

That's pretty much where they are right now with both formats. They only carry key titles of either format. I doubt that will change. There's not a big enough market for them to expand, and at the prices they charge they probably aren't moving a lot of either format.

MooglePorn · 07-28-2007, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by venetian blinds

"No offense to anyone, but HD DVD really needs to die soon so that consumers feel secure to embrace BD..."

No offense but thats a stupid comment. Can't you just relax and let people like me enjoy HD-DVD? HD-DVD is making movies that at minimum look just as good as blu, so why on earth would i want to change?

Because as long as two formats exist many, many people, like me, don't want to support either one heavily. This is pretty much univerally known man, come on.

Why BD? Well, because last I heard they were selling a lot more, they have more space, Blockbuster, now Target, etc.... I think the writing is on the wall is all, and I wish it would just be over with tomorrow so this whole war ends and we can move on toward HD mainstream goodness.

I know HD DVD enthusiasts don't like hearing that... Bill Hunt is called out by Ruined all the time for saying the same thing... but it seems obvious to me as a step towards the health of the industry.

dugpa · 07-28-2007, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MooglePorn

I wish it would just be over with tomorrow so this whole war ends and we can move on toward HD mainstream goodness.

Mainstream is not always a good thing. Sure, it usually means lower prices, but it also usually means lower quality. Back in the laser disc days if you got a commentary track it was because the film deserved it or someone actually had something to say. Now with DVD, where doing a commentary is usually just one of the parts of making the film and they're often recorded before the film even comes out, we wind up with actors telling us what they had for lunch that day on set or that they really liked such and such person. And instead of real documentaries we get EPK fluff. The dumbing down of dvd is one of the things that make me miss the laserdisc days. Yeah, it's nice to only have to pay $19.99 for a uber special edition disc instead of $189, but as they saying goes, you get what you pay for.

MooglePorn · 07-28-2007, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dugpa

Mainstream is not always a good thing. Sure, it usually means lower prices, but it also usually means lower quality. Back in the laser disc days if you got a commentary track it was because the film deserved it or someone actually had something to say. Now with DVD, where doing a commentary is usually just one of the parts of making the film and they're often recorded before the film even comes out, we wind up with actors telling us what they had for lunch that day on set or that they really liked such and such person. And instead of real documentaries we get EPK fluff. The dumbing down of dvd is one of the things that make me miss the laserdisc days. Yeah, it's nice to only have to pay $19.99 for a uber special edition disc instead of $189, but as they saying goes, you get what you pay for.

Well A) I just watch the movies anyway, and B) I think it's important for one of the HD formats to get a certain amount of base customers so we get more and more movies in HD, and also to compete with the growing amount of folks who would rather skip to downloads.

***chlngr1970*** · 07-28-2007, 06:13 PM

Well, A) I want to watch movies in HD DVD. B) I have no use for Sony or Blu Ray, and it's DRM, and so on and so forth...

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Originally Posted by Moogleport

No offense to anyone, but Blu Ray really needs to die soon so that consumers feel secure to embrace HD DVD... If either of them is going to prosper it needs to happen.

Fixed

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Mr. Inzane · 07-28-2007, 07:24 PM

chlngr1970 stop acting like a child! we both know things are looking good for Blu-Ray so theres no need for this arguement. MooglePorn was simply pointing out the fact that HD- DVD was dying so it might aswell just die to save consumers some headaches.

Derb · 07-28-2007, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 187ontheVHS

How so?

Bye, bye, Time Warner & Universal.

***chlngr1970*** · 07-29-2007, 02:28 AM

Derb, do you think that if, God forbid, Blu Ray did win out, that Universal would not produce Blu Ray, and Warner would pull out of Blu Ray? Or am I COMPLETELY missing your point?

***chlngr1970*** · 07-29-2007, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Inzane

chlngr1970 stop acting like a child! we both know things are looking good for Blu-Ray so theres no need for this arguement. MooglePorn was simply pointing out the fact that HD- DVD was dying so it might aswell just die to save consumers some headaches.

As an admin, I will completely ignore your statement, and focus on your agrument. Considering there are, some say, 5X as many Blu Ray playback devices in homes as HD DVD, yet software is only outselling HD DVD about 2:1, I'd say that is a problem for Blu Ray, as the latest trends are in favor of HD DVD. HD DVD is picking up the momentum, and Blu Ray is losing momentum.

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brian · 07-29-2007, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by chlngr1970

As an admin, I will completely ignore your statement, and focus on your agrument. Considering there are, some say, 5X as many Blu Ray playback devices in homes as HD DVD, yet software is only outselling HD DVD about 2:1, I'd say that is a problem for Blu Ray, as the latest trends are in favor of HD DVD. HD DVD is picking up the momentum, and Blu Ray is losing momentum.

j

I like HD DVD as much as the next guy, but where's the evidence that it's "Picking up the momentum"?

Derb · 07-29-2007, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by chlngr1970

Derb, do you think that if, God forbid, Blu Ray did win out, that Universal would not produce Blu Ray, and Warner would pull out of Blu Ray? Or am I COMPLETELY missing your point?

You are correct sir. No you are not missing my point.

Sehnzeleid · 07-29-2007, 05:56 AM

I gotta admit, I don't care if Target picked sides. All of the locations I've been to seem to have the same 10 titles for each format every time I look. It's gotten to the point I don't even look in the Electronics section anymore and the only way they'd get me to look again is if they had all their HD media for $15 a pop.

If Target suddenly picked a side and went absolutely nuts in its support of it for this point on, it would only embitter me more since they seemed to have complete and utter INDIFFERENCE to the formats for a ridiculous amount of time.

Really, all B&Ms SUCK. I keep hearing great things about Fry's, but I'm not driving across the entire country for that.

MooglePorn · 07-29-2007, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Sehnzeleid

If Target suddenly picked a side and went absolutely nuts in its support of it for this point on, it would only embitter me more since they seemed to have complete and utter INDIFFERENCE to the formats for a ridiculous amount of time.

Someone needs a lesson in market share.

***chlngr1970*** · 07-30-2007, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by brian

I like HD DVD as much as the next guy, but where's the evidence that it's "Picking up the momentum"?

How about this? Not to mention, SA Player sales are MUCH higher than BD. I think we are a LONG way from an end to this "war" that Sony started. Will it keep HDM nich, probably, I want the consumer to decide what comes next, not the studios, and it seems that the consumer is chosing HD DVD...

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N8N · 07-30-2007, 03:56 AM

Here are the Nielsen/VideoScan Numbers that include more than one website.

Nielsen/VideoScan Numbers ending June 24th
http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/ques...0107/index.php
WE: BD-70% HDD-30% YTD: BD-67% HDD-33% SI: BD-59% HDD-41%

Nielsen/VideoScan Numbers ending July 1st
http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/ques...0807/index.php
WE: BD-65% HDD-35% YTD: BD-67% HDD-33% SI: BD-60% HDD-40%

Nielsen/VideoScan Numbers ending July 8th
http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/ques...1507/index.php
WE: BD-66% HDD-34% YTD: BD-67% HDD-33% SI: BD-60% HDD-40%

Nielsen/VideoScan Numbers ending July 15th
http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/ques...2207/index.php
WE: BD-61% HDD-39% YTD: BD-67% HDD-33% SI: BD-60% HDD-40%

Nielsen/VideoScan Numbers ending July 22nd
http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/ques...2907/index.php
WE: BD-74% HDD-26% YTD: BD-67% HDD-33% SI: BD-60% HDD-40%

MooglePorn · 07-30-2007, 09:37 AM

N8N you should have used a pretty graph!

Seriously, Challenger... those are top tens only and not as detailed as what N8N just posted... and even in your skewed graph BD is winning despite what you post afterward.

With those numbers, the Blockbuster and Target announcements, as well as the obvious marketing situation, I would say from a outside perspective it's time for BD to win this thing and put an end to this stupid "war." That's all I was saying.

I'm sure HD DVD enthusiasts will refute it... I said that in my first post. Your reply is not a surprise. I just think grasping on and hoping for a come-from-behind victory for HD DVD is wounding the chances of either format catching on. I don't think anyone will refute that.

07-27-2007, 01:25 AM	#1 (permalink)
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07-27-2007, 02:21 AM	#2 (permalink)
dugpa Nothing But the Best Join Date: Sep 2004	All that article really brings up is the question of why the HD-DVD promotions group hasn't bought encaps at Target or Walmart. Having cheap players is nice, but if no one knows about them it's a moot point. __________________ DVD collection LD collection Will rent this sig space for blu-ray discs.

07-27-2007, 02:51 PM	#5 (permalink)
ganthc Actor Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: "Vyenna", VA	Yeah, this changes nothing. It's just hd-dvd trying to temper the mistake they made in not securing a deal with Target to sell their hardware in the stores. Sure the hda0 is in stores, but I think you've stated pretty clearly Ruined, that people don't use their consoles to watch movies, so I guess that means nothing. True they are selling their players online, but you have also stated that most consumers buy in the B&M stores. To NOT have toshiba players on the shelves in the second largest retailer in the nation is a HUGE blow to the sales goals for Toshiba. To try and press release your way out of that is just lame. If only Toshiba and hd-dvd marketed as well as they issued press releases, they might actually be performing better. __________________ HOOK'EM!!! UT LONGHORNS - National Champs 2005-2006!!! http://ganthc.youaremighty.com

07-29-2007, 02:28 AM	#19 (permalink)
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07-29-2007, 05:56 AM	#23 (permalink)
Sehnzeleid Actor Join Date: Jul 2006	I gotta admit, I don't care if Target picked sides. All of the locations I've been to seem to have the same 10 titles for each format every time I look. It's gotten to the point I don't even look in the Electronics section anymore and the only way they'd get me to look again is if they had all their HD media for $15 a pop. If Target suddenly picked a side and went absolutely nuts in its support of it for this point on, it would only embitter me more since they seemed to have complete and utter INDIFFERENCE to the formats for a ridiculous amount of time. Really, all B&Ms SUCK. I keep hearing great things about Fry's, but I'm not driving across the entire country for that. Last edited by Sehnzeleid : 07-29-2007 at 06:01 AM.

07-27-2007, 02:39 AM	#3 (permalink)
supercutz Actor Join Date: Sep 2004	I went to 4 Targets earlier this week searching for Monster Squad and noticed all still had plenty of HD-DVD movies on full display and at full price no less. It didn't look like any of the stores were going BR-only any time soon (if at all).

07-28-2007, 09:23 AM	#7 (permalink)
MooglePorn Actor Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Philadelphia, PA	I still think it's a blow to HD DVD... Target will only carry BD stand-alone players, and from everything I have heard they're going to phasing out HD DVD over the next few months, maybe only carrying key titles. No offense to anyone, but HD DVD really needs to die soon so that consumers feel secure to embrace BD... If either of them is going to prosper it needs to happen.

07-28-2007, 03:35 PM	#11 (permalink)
venetian blinds Actor Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canada, eh	"No offense to anyone, but HD DVD really needs to die soon so that consumers feel secure to embrace BD..." No offense but thats a stupid comment. Can't you just relax and let people like me enjoy HD-DVD? HD-DVD is making movies that at minimum look just as good as blu, so why on earth would i want to change?

07-28-2007, 07:24 PM	#17 (permalink)
Mr. Inzane Supporting Actor Join Date: Nov 2005	chlngr1970 stop acting like a child! we both know things are looking good for Blu-Ray so theres no need for this arguement. MooglePorn was simply pointing out the fact that HD- DVD was dying so it might aswell just die to save consumers some headaches.

07-30-2007, 03:56 AM	#26 (permalink)
N8N Actor Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Antonio, TX	Here are the Nielsen/VideoScan Numbers that include more than one website. Nielsen/VideoScan Numbers ending June 24th http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/ques...0107/index.php WE: BD-70% HDD-30% YTD: BD-67% HDD-33% SI: BD-59% HDD-41% Nielsen/VideoScan Numbers ending July 1st http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/ques...0807/index.php WE: BD-65% HDD-35% YTD: BD-67% HDD-33% SI: BD-60% HDD-40% Nielsen/VideoScan Numbers ending July 8th http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/ques...1507/index.php WE: BD-66% HDD-34% YTD: BD-67% HDD-33% SI: BD-60% HDD-40% Nielsen/VideoScan Numbers ending July 15th http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/ques...2207/index.php WE: BD-61% HDD-39% YTD: BD-67% HDD-33% SI: BD-60% HDD-40% Nielsen/VideoScan Numbers ending July 22nd http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/ques...2907/index.php WE: BD-74% HDD-26% YTD: BD-67% HDD-33% SI: BD-60% HDD-40% __________________ The Enrichment Center once again reminds you that android hell is a real place where you will be sent at the first sign of defiance.

07-30-2007, 09:37 AM	#27 (permalink)
MooglePorn Actor Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Philadelphia, PA	N8N you should have used a pretty graph! Seriously, Challenger... those are top tens only and not as detailed as what N8N just posted... and even in your skewed graph BD is winning despite what you post afterward. With those numbers, the Blockbuster and Target announcements, as well as the obvious marketing situation, I would say from a outside perspective it's time for BD to win this thing and put an end to this stupid "war." That's all I was saying. I'm sure HD DVD enthusiasts will refute it... I said that in my first post. Your reply is not a surprise. I just think grasping on and hoping for a come-from-behind victory for HD DVD is wounding the chances of either format catching on. I don't think anyone will refute that.