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MrE26 · 08-05-2007, 01:38 PM

Spot the difference...

Seems a little odd... the bonus features are all in HD & the HD-DVD version is missing most of them, surely disc space can't be an issue?

Iguana Man · 08-05-2007, 01:54 PM

Is the BR one a BD50?

MooglePorn · 08-05-2007, 01:55 PM

Since the documentaries are in HD I am betting space is exactly the issue.

Sehnzeleid · 08-05-2007, 03:33 PM

Japanese BVE Blu-ray has a PCM track.

dugpa · 08-05-2007, 03:49 PM

This was originally announced as a two disc set for both formats. Paramount must have decided to cut it to one disc and lose the extras for the HD-DVD folks I guess. I'll bet if they used VC1 instead of AVC they could fit it all on. And I suspect the HD bonus features are all compressed MPEG2 on both discs.

Sehnzeleid · 08-05-2007, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sehnzeleid

Japanese BVE Blu-ray has a PCM track.

Just for the curious:

Shawn Watson · 08-05-2007, 05:41 PM

That's not very fair. I thought this was a 2-disc set. I am officially pissed about this!

Shawn

Ruined · 08-05-2007, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shawn Watson

That's not very fair. I thought this was a 2-disc set. I am officially pissed about this!

Shawn

The two-disc set special edition double dip comes out in xmas 2009

Stupid decision to include both DD+ lossy and DTS-HD lossy on both releases. Could have used the space + bandwidth for a TrueHD track instead.

Derb · 08-05-2007, 07:27 PM

Face/Off on HD DVD is 30GB & BD 50GB

Here's the finalized artwork;

http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=64762

There is 6.1 dts at 1.5 though & the dolby track for the HD DVD is 1.5 while the dolby on the BD is 640.

As dugpa pointed out, both HD features are encoded MPEG-2 with the main feature for both formats being AVC.

I also should point, I don't give a sh!t.

MooglePorn · 08-05-2007, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruined

The two-disc set special edition double dip comes out in xmas 2009

I can't see a rerelease in two years simply to port over features already on DVD and BD...

Besides, HD DVD won't be around in 2009.

BURN!

MJZ · 08-05-2007, 10:04 PM

I'm sure I saw the HD DVD version advertised recently as being a two-disc set like MI:III.

dugpa · 08-06-2007, 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MJZ

I'm sure I saw the HD DVD version advertised recently as being a two-disc set like MI:III.

It was originally announced as a two disc set for both formats. But it seems somewhere along the way that changed and it's one disc now. Some retailers may not have gotten the newst info (or bothered to change it).

ganthc · 08-06-2007, 03:04 PM

I'm just happy to see that there are equal DTS tracks on both formats. I might get this one, though I have never been a big fan of the movie.

Shawn Watson · 08-16-2007, 09:12 PM

DELAYED!

Shawn

Iguana Man · 08-16-2007, 09:17 PM

Delayed is not that big a deal IMHO.

ganthc · 08-16-2007, 09:40 PM

*drags his fingers over Iggy's face*

Iguana Man · 08-16-2007, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ganthc

*drags his fingers over Iggy's face*

Be careful, it might reveal your face.

Hehehehe.

Hey man, it was a decent flick, don't get me wrong. But...HD worthy?

Nnpe.

nyxboxnyboy · 08-16-2007, 10:24 PM

Besides, Blu Ray won't be around in 2009.

BURN!

187ontheVHS · 08-16-2007, 11:21 PM

"Blu Ray suck!!!"

Can't we all just agree that neither format sucks? I mean really, it's more or less the same thing. Damn, the more I think about all the arguments between the two I can't help but think of how silly this all is. I mean, they use the same bloody codecs! Sure we can prefer a format or whatever, but Blu Ray doesn't suck. HD DVD doesn't suck. PS3 doesn't suck. Xbox 360 doesn't suck.
Atari Jaguar games sucked. DIVX pay per play discs sucked. Hitler sucked. I suck at baseball. These are things that we should all be able to agree about.

jriseden · 08-17-2007, 11:08 AM

The hd dvd version having less features is actually a good thing. It means the hd dvd viewers will be done watching the disc faster and ready to go buy another hd dvd disc to watch which equals more sales for hd!

See boys, when life gives you lemons, just make lemonade!

MJZ · 08-17-2007, 04:31 PM

Less HD DVD features means no purchase for me.

Derb · 08-17-2007, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jriseden

The hd dvd version having less features is actually a good thing. It means the hd dvd viewers will be done watching the disc faster and ready to go buy another hd dvd disc to watch which equals more sales for hd!

See boys, when life gives you lemons, just make lemonade!

That would explain BD's 2:1 sales lead.

People who are true A/V enthusiasts don't care about extra content.

ganthc · 08-17-2007, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jriseden

See boys, when life gives you lemons, just make lemonade!

http://forum.blu-ray.com/image.php?u...ine=1170699857
I'll let you start with this lemon.

Sehnzeleid · 10-31-2007, 11:26 PM

Blu-ray vs. HD DVD:

http://www.mbmg.de/hd-discs/faceoff_bd-vs-hd/01.html

BD is much nosier...

Pirate · 10-31-2007, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sehnzeleid

Blu-ray vs. HD DVD:

http://www.mbmg.de/hd-discs/faceoff_bd-vs-hd/01.html

BD is much nosier...

That last screenshot hurts. It looks like the BD's brightness was boosted as well.

Ruined · 10-31-2007, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sehnzeleid

Blu-ray vs. HD DVD:

http://www.mbmg.de/hd-discs/faceoff_bd-vs-hd/01.html

BD is much nosier...

BD version also looks washed out in comparison. In motion I'd imagine the BD version looks very "busy."

Sehnzeleid · 10-31-2007, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piratehunter

That last screenshot hurts. It looks like the BD's brightness was boosted as well.

Though HD DVD looks a little too smooth, noise reduction?

limacharliewhiskey · 10-31-2007, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sehnzeleid

Blu-ray vs. HD DVD:

http://www.mbmg.de/hd-discs/faceoff_bd-vs-hd/01.html

BD is much nosier...

Yeah, but the HD-DVD images look darker and a little blurry. I think the skintone looks a bit more accurate on the BD. But that's just what my eyes are seeing.

Pirate · 10-31-2007, 11:38 PM

Edit.

Ruined · 10-31-2007, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sehnzeleid

Though HD DVD looks a little too smooth, noise reduction?

I don't know about that, there may be some DNR but looking at the pixel structure of the noise in the BD version it does not look like natural grain either. Look at Travolta's ear in the first screenshot, there looks to be some sort of digital dithering pattern on it on the BD version. Its possible that the BD version had an overzealous sharpness filter applied to get that look.

When not zoomed at 200%, the HD DVD version looks more natural IMO, while the BD version looks to have some veil of digital noise.

08-05-2007, 01:38 PM	#1 (permalink)
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08-05-2007, 03:33 PM	#4 (permalink)
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08-05-2007, 03:49 PM	#5 (permalink)
dugpa Nothing But the Best Join Date: Sep 2004	This was originally announced as a two disc set for both formats. Paramount must have decided to cut it to one disc and lose the extras for the HD-DVD folks I guess. I'll bet if they used VC1 instead of AVC they could fit it all on. And I suspect the HD bonus features are all compressed MPEG2 on both discs. __________________ DVD collection LD collection Will rent this sig space for blu-ray discs.

08-05-2007, 05:41 PM	#7 (permalink)
Shawn Watson Actor Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Underverse	That's not very fair. I thought this was a 2-disc set. I am officially pissed about this! Shawn __________________ A PTA meeting with cucumbers instead of parents.

08-05-2007, 01:55 PM	#3 (permalink)
MooglePorn Actor Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Philadelphia, PA	Since the documentaries are in HD I am betting space is exactly the issue.

08-05-2007, 07:27 PM	#9 (permalink)
Derb Actor Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Canada	Face/Off on HD DVD is 30GB & BD 50GB Here's the finalized artwork; http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=64762 There is 6.1 dts at 1.5 though & the dolby track for the HD DVD is 1.5 while the dolby on the BD is 640. As dugpa pointed out, both HD features are encoded MPEG-2 with the main feature for both formats being AVC. I also should point, I don't give a sh!t. __________________ My Blu-ray Collection Time for Blu to go mainstream.

08-05-2007, 10:04 PM	#11 (permalink)
MJZ Actor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: England	I'm sure I saw the HD DVD version advertised recently as being a two-disc set like MI:III.

08-06-2007, 03:04 PM	#13 (permalink)
ganthc Actor Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: "Vyenna", VA	I'm just happy to see that there are equal DTS tracks on both formats. I might get this one, though I have never been a big fan of the movie. __________________ HOOK'EM!!! UT LONGHORNS - National Champs 2005-2006!!! http://ganthc.youaremighty.com

08-16-2007, 09:12 PM	#14 (permalink)
Shawn Watson Actor Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Underverse	DELAYED! Shawn __________________ A PTA meeting with cucumbers instead of parents.

08-16-2007, 09:17 PM	#15 (permalink)
Iguana Man Ex-BadHumor Man Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Jersey, USA	Delayed is not that big a deal IMHO. __________________ Get outside and have fun! Nacho Website Focus

08-16-2007, 09:40 PM	#16 (permalink)
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08-16-2007, 10:24 PM	#18 (permalink)
nyxboxnyboy Supporting Actor Join Date: Aug 2007	Blu Ray suck!!! Besides, Blu Ray won't be around in 2009. BURN!

08-16-2007, 11:21 PM	#19 (permalink)
187ontheVHS Actor Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ottawa, ON	"Blu Ray suck!!!" Can't we all just agree that neither format sucks? I mean really, it's more or less the same thing. Damn, the more I think about all the arguments between the two I can't help but think of how silly this all is. I mean, they use the same bloody codecs! Sure we can prefer a format or whatever, but Blu Ray doesn't suck. HD DVD doesn't suck. PS3 doesn't suck. Xbox 360 doesn't suck. Atari Jaguar games sucked. DIVX pay per play discs sucked. Hitler sucked. I suck at baseball. These are things that we should all be able to agree about. __________________ * I reserve the right to contradict myself.

08-17-2007, 11:08 AM	#20 (permalink)
jriseden Actor Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: los angeles	The hd dvd version having less features is actually a good thing. It means the hd dvd viewers will be done watching the disc faster and ready to go buy another hd dvd disc to watch which equals more sales for hd! See boys, when life gives you lemons, just make lemonade!

08-17-2007, 04:31 PM	#21 (permalink)
MJZ Actor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: England	Less HD DVD features means no purchase for me.

10-31-2007, 11:26 PM	#24 (permalink)
Sehnzeleid Actor Join Date: Jul 2006	Blu-ray vs. HD DVD: http://www.mbmg.de/hd-discs/faceoff_bd-vs-hd/01.html BD is much nosier... Last edited by Sehnzeleid : 10-31-2007 at 11:32 PM.

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