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Ruined · 10-30-2007, 04:30 AM

Well, that didn't take long.

http://www.cdrlabs.com/news/byte/5317

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Originally Posted by Slysoft

We already found a way to crack BD+ and we have just turned to fine-tuning. I should really think about hiring a bodyguard now, since this product won't please everybody.

Shove it, Fox and Sony!

Overly intrusive DRM such as BD+ does not belong on discs that cost $34.99+!

Anyway, as I've stated before, pirates will be cracking BD+ movies with ease and watching them DRM-free while paying users have to deal with longer load times compiling the BD+ VM and possible security risks that BD+ Advanced Countermeasure poses. Hurts the paying user more than the pirate, as is the norm with DRM.

AACS is good enough, it keeps the casuals from copying but it doesn't give the studios carte blanche to do whatever they want to your player/computer.

sub780lime · 10-30-2007, 05:15 AM

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All that AACS-LA has to offer now is BD+, but even that is on the verge of being circumvented and a release is expected by the end of this year.

What I see here is where it obviously states that BD+ has not been cracked yet. Ruined, I think your well informed, but this one was pretty obvious to throw out there as "BD+ has been cracked".

Ruined · 10-30-2007, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by sub780lime

What I see here is where it obviously states that BD+ has not been cracked yet. Ruined, I think your well informed, but this one was pretty obvious to throw out there as "BD+ has been cracked".

Read the article again.

You posted something supposed by the PR article writer commenting on SlySoft's public statement, not SlySoft themselves.

SlySoft has reported that BD+ has indeed been cracked. The release just hasn't gone public yet. SlySoft has no reason to lie and they have been behind most of the AACS cracks and the most popular AACS decrypting software, so I expect to see a public release of the BD+ cracking-enabled SlySoft software within the next few weeks.

Again, to quote SlySoft's lead programmer who claims SlySoft has cracked BD+:

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Originally Posted by SlySoft

James Wong, Head of development at SlySoft: We already found a way to crack BD+ and we have just turned to fine-tuning. I should really think about hiring a bodyguard now, since this product won't please everybody.

sub780lime · 10-30-2007, 05:32 AM

So PR Writer VS. Slysoft engineer...either one could not be true and there are a hundred reason to lie about it, press being one of them.

Ruined · 10-30-2007, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by sub780lime

So PR Writer VS. Slysoft engineer...either one could not be true and there are a hundred reason to lie about it, press being one of them.

I think its pretty clear cut here. The PR writer is saying that BD+ is close to being crackable by anyone because SlySoft says they have already cracked it in-house and the public release is nearing while SlySoft tests and refines their BD+ crack. Basically the PR writer is saying that EVERYONE will be able to crack BD+ with Slysoft software soon, while Slysoft themselves have already claimed they have cracked it. Either way, it appears BD+ is cracked, which is the point. I'll of course post again in this thread once SlySoft's public release of the BD+ crack goes live.

Pirate · 10-30-2007, 06:00 AM

Ruined, how is it legal for Slysoft to do this?

Ruined · 10-30-2007, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by piratehunter

Ruined, how is it legal for Slysoft to do this?

SlySoft is located in Antigua which is immune to/ignores US copyright law

Hence, they can sell software that busts DRM on hollywood movies 100% legally out of Antigua.

In the US, we return the favor by ignoring Antigua's copyrights/patents - if I were to steal SlySoft's source code and compile my own version of their software and sell it in US stores (obviously would never happen in this case, but humor me), the US would give Antigua the middle finger if they tried to prosecute me.

Pirate · 10-30-2007, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Ruined

SlySoft is located in Antigua which is immune to US copyright law

Ah.

ganthc · 10-30-2007, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Ruined

I'll of course post again in this thread once SlySoft's public release of the BD+ crack goes live.

Along with the impending Warner announcement that they are going hd-dvd exclusive, I guess I'll be waiting.

Ruined · 10-30-2007, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ganthc

Along with the impending Warner announcement that they are going hd-dvd exclusive, I guess I'll be waiting.

I would insert a photoshopped picture of the Iraqi Minister of Defense stating "BD+ has not been cracked!" but I'm too tired

But we all know where this guy lives:
http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/10...ackers-chuckl/

ganthc · 10-30-2007, 06:43 AM

Here ya go.

ganthc · 10-30-2007, 06:47 AM

This article provides a bit more info:

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News...x?NewsId=21709

I did think this little tidbit was interesting.

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But until now, it is uncertain whether this title-specific security code (BD+ content code) will be included by Studios on a title-by-title basis. In that case, breaking the whole protection scheme would be more complicated.

Ruined, do you know if there can be some grand bd+ crack, or will hackers have to develop one specifically for each title?

Ruined · 10-30-2007, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ganthc

This article provides a bit more info:

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News...x?NewsId=21709

I did think this little tidbit was interesting.

Ruined, do you know if there can be some grand bd+ crack, or will hackers have to develop one specifically for each title?

I don't know the specifics of SlySoft's method as they have not publically divulged the details yet (why give the studios a head start?

), but the current AACS cracks use specific title-by-title cracks which are automated by SlySoft's program (and needs to be updated whenever AACS revises their CP). Since BD+ uses AACS for protection, I assume it will be similar in method of cracking.

Derb · 10-30-2007, 06:13 PM

Do most people have PC's with 50TB hard drives now? My PC must already be out of date.

Ruined · 10-30-2007, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Derb

Do most people have PC's with 50TB hard drives now? My PC must already be out of date.

I have around 1TB on my PC.

Mr. Furious · 10-30-2007, 07:18 PM

I have about 1.5TB on my Local PC and another 1.5TB on my network.

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Originally Posted by Ruined

Shove it, Fox and Sony! Overly intrusive DRM such as BD+ does not belong on discs that cost $34.99+!

I would argue that's EXACTLY where it belongs because at that price, it's so high it's likely to just be pirated. Right now, I'll spend $15-20 on a blind purchase. Anything over $20 gets at least a rental first. At $35, it ceases to be a particularly good bargain and I start wondering if it isn't a scam to herd people towards a DIVX (digital video express) type scheme.

billyslits · 10-30-2007, 11:55 PM

Is it really appropriate to have a thread boasting about and celebrating piracy on a DVD forum? Regardless of one's irrational hatred toward any specific corporation or media format, I don't how "cool" or smilie-worthy Antigua's nonexistent copyright laws really are.

Ruined · 10-30-2007, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by billyslits

Is it really appropriate to have a thread boasting about and celebrating piracy on a DVD forum? Regardless of one's irrational hatred toward any specific corporation or media format, I don't how "cool" or smilie-worthy Antigua's nonexistent copyright laws really are.

I don't see the problem with a post discussing and/or cheeering the breaking of DRM mechanisms. There are tons of topics about AACS being cracked, should those be deleted too big brother style?

Talking about it is not illegal and is very appropriate. And in this case, the actual sale and development of the DRM-cracking mechanism is not illegal, either.

If Antigua is helping break paying consumers free from the chains of DRM, I think that is smile-worthy. DRM is, and always will be cracked no matter what. It has in the past and it is being now. So in the end, you delay pirates from getting their movies not only free of charge but also DRM free for a month or two, and then everyone else who is actually paying are the ones that have to deal with whatever hoops you need to jump through whether its product activation or the more extreme BD+ Advanced Countermeasure for the rest of the life of the format.

Some are getting the hint now as Amazon is selling DRM-free downloads. Other DRM-free MP3 sites are available too. A few weeks ago I bought a DRM-free lossless FLAC file of the song Amsterdam (Smith & Pledger remix) from an UK site - that was cool. Steve Jobs of Apple says he thinks DRM is a dinosaur of the past that is holding back iTunes from its full potential - he wants DRM dropped. Universal Music now allows unlimited P2P DRM-free sharing of its catalog for a monthly fee so long as the ISP approves. It goes the same for the movie industry, and the MPAA may have to learn just as the RIAA is learning now: DRM doesn't work, period. If Steve Jobs can talk about ditching DRM in a gleeful way in public, I don't see the problem with it here - especially when we are dealing with the intrusive BD+ DRM. I personally would like to see BD+ axed from the BD format entirely.

Pirate · 10-30-2007, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by billyslits

Is it really appropriate to have a thread boasting about and celebrating piracy on a DVD forum? Regardless of one's irrational hatred toward any specific corporation or media format, I don't how "cool" or smilie-worthy Antigua's nonexistent copyright laws really are.

I’m not sure any of us are singing the praises of piracy, rather we're deciphering—to quote Mr. Zyber—specs from reality. Part of the reason this format war exists is because of some studios' insistence on "unbreakable" copy protection. If it’s true that BD+ has indeed been cracked, then that would be an eye-opener for every single early adopter.

supercutz · 10-31-2007, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by billyslits

Is it really appropriate to have a thread boasting about and celebrating piracy on a DVD forum? Regardless of one's irrational hatred toward any specific corporation or media format, I don't how "cool" or smilie-worthy Antigua's nonexistent copyright laws really are.

I agree with this post.

Iguana Man · 10-31-2007, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by supercutz

I agree with this post.

I disagree with this post.

Taxi · 10-31-2007, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by billyslits

Is it really appropriate to have a thread boasting about and celebrating piracy on a DVD forum? Regardless of one's irrational hatred toward any specific corporation or media format, I don't how "cool" or smilie-worthy Antigua's nonexistent copyright laws really are.

Discussion does not necessarily equal boasting or celebrating.

I think you're misinterpreting Ruined's enthusiasm.

Bottom line: this forum does not condone nor support piracy in any form.

Derb · 10-31-2007, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Taxi

Bottom line: this forum does not condone nor support piracy in any form.

Thats good to know. If piracy becomes the HD norm, expect the already crappy profits to drop dramatically & force CE's & studios to cut their losses. The only reason HD is available on optical media is for studio's to cash in on catalog titles. If they can't do that, so long to both formats.

***1138*** · 10-31-2007, 02:06 AM

I don't condone piracy of movies. Never have, never will. I like to pay a person for the enjoyment that they give me.

OTOH, I really dislike overly elaborate DRM and copy protection. I cheer this development not because it allows for piracy, but because it is another wake up call to studios and every other content provider that there is no war. You can't and won't win. Piracy will always be around as long as there's content to be had.

So rather than spend all this time, effort, and money in trying to develop "unbreakable" DRM/copy protection and making legitimate buyers have to pay for it, do the sensible thing. Make a good product for a good price, and minimize piracy to the best you can. Plus, it helps out your legal purchasers. Then we don't have to be afraid of CDs allowing hackers into our computers. We don't have to pay Lord knows how much extra for our movies to help pay off the anti piracy investment.

We've gone digital. They don't know or understand how it works now. They need to wake up and realize what they can do and adjust properly.

Anyhoo, /rant

mighty mint · 10-31-2007, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Taxi

Bottom line: this forum does not condone nor support piracy in any form.

Unless you are a PirateHunter...then we support you 100%

Pirate · 10-31-2007, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mighty mint

Unless you are a PirateHunter...then we support you 100%

You know how I do.

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*1138* Producer/Admin Careful, or I'll ban myself... Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	I don't condone piracy of movies. Never have, never will. I like to pay a person for the enjoyment that they give me. OTOH, I really dislike overly elaborate DRM and copy protection. I cheer this development not because it allows for piracy, but because it is another wake up call to studios and every other content provider that there is no war. You can't and won't win. Piracy will always be around as long as there's content to be had. So rather than spend all this time, effort, and money in trying to develop "unbreakable" DRM/copy protection and making legitimate buyers have to pay for it, do the sensible thing. Make a good product for a good price, and minimize piracy to the best you can. Plus, it helps out your legal purchasers. Then we don't have to be afraid of CDs allowing hackers into our computers. We don't have to pay Lord knows how much extra for our movies to help pay off the anti piracy investment. We've gone digital. They don't know or understand how it works now. They need to wake up and realize what they can do and adjust properly. Anyhoo, /rant __________________ Administrator I got a rock and roll band. I got a rock and roll life. I got a rock and roll girlfriend. And another ex-wife.

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billyslits Actor Join Date: Jun 2001	Is it really appropriate to have a thread boasting about and celebrating piracy on a DVD forum? Regardless of one's irrational hatred toward any specific corporation or media format, I don't how "cool" or smilie-worthy Antigua's nonexistent copyright laws really are.