The HD War: Where Do You Stand? - DVDfile.com forum for DVD, Blu-Ray, and HD-DVD

Pirate · 11-07-2007, 06:45 PM

It’s time for another HD poll, boys and girls. It’s the end of 2007, so let’s see where our community stands. Do we still have an HD DVD majority or has neutrality and/or Blu-ray taken over?

Sehnzeleid · 11-07-2007, 06:51 PM

I'm neutral, but after the "coolness of having something new" with Blu-ray wore off...I find I still prefer HD DVD in the end.

sambow87 · 11-07-2007, 07:26 PM

Just went neutral, but I prefer...majorly prefer HD DVD.

We'll see how this whole PS3 thing goes.

ganthc · 11-07-2007, 07:29 PM

Neutral, but lean blu.

Taxi · 11-07-2007, 07:30 PM

Proud Fence Sitter since... well, since last year I guess.

rixrex · 11-07-2007, 07:42 PM

Leaning HD, see a few similarities between BD and beta, and not a big Sony fan either, though I have a couple of their LD players.

limacharliewhiskey · 11-07-2007, 08:09 PM

Still sitting on the fence, but thinking of getting in sometime next year. I'm starting to make lists of titles in each format that I'm interested in buying.

Software content will likely dictate which format I get. Hardware capabilities are close enough for my needs that it doesn't matter which format I pick.

Moonraker · 11-07-2007, 08:25 PM

I a neutral but haven't purchased an HD-DVD since Hot Fuzz when it first came out. Prob would buy when something that interests me comes out.

PunkMunkey · 11-07-2007, 08:38 PM

Neutral.

Went Blu first with the PS3. Bought into HDDVD about two months ago when the prices on the players started dropping to more affordable levels (by my own standard).

So far I really enjoy both formats but I've had an overall better experience with the PS3 in terms of just being a better overall player with less quirks and nice responsiveness/build quality/feature set. The HD-A2 is not a bad machine but it's got it's quirks (slower to respond, won't pass pluge over HDMI, no provisions for wireless ethernet connectivity).

I cannot speak of the quality of other Blu-Ray players on the market however...I know some are having issues. Seems as if the only "truly" next-gen media player is the PS3...it really is so much more that a video game machine.

I favor the capacity of Blu-Ray discs as well as the scratch protective coating, but like HDDVD's region free capabilities. I think that the Blu supporting studios are doing a better job of supporting lossless audio and think that that's something the HDDVD studio need to improve upon. Both formats seem to deliver comparable video quality and both have their share of standout films and duds.

In the end, I'm leaning toward one unified format...doesn't matter which one though. If neither format "wins" then I'll still be OK. I just think that the format war, if carried on too long, will only ensure that HDM remains a niche market, which is what I DO NOT want.

"The Dude" · 11-07-2007, 09:00 PM

Neutral for me. My BD's slightly out-number my HD-DVD's by 5-10 titles. That said, unless it's a combo, I still prefer HD-DVD.

Pirate · 11-07-2007, 09:28 PM

I guess the BD-faithful log in later in the day.

jriseden · 11-07-2007, 09:46 PM

Technically I'm blu-ray exclusive, but I would be neutral if Samsung would actually release their hybrid player.

Pirate · 11-07-2007, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jriseden

Technically I'm blu-ray exclusive, but I would be neutral if Samsung would actually release their hybrid player.

You and me both.

ganthc · 11-07-2007, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piratehunter

I guess the BD-faithful log in later in the day.

I don't think there are many bd exclusive members. This forum leans heavily towards hd-dvd as it is.

No6PackJoe · 11-07-2007, 10:01 PM

Fence sitting costs nothing, and I always seem to pick the wrong way.
I think I'll wait a little longer.

Moonraker · 11-07-2007, 10:02 PM

Would 'OTHER' be... "i'm waiting for HD VMD"

Vonner · 11-07-2007, 10:06 PM

HD-DVD exclusive here.

sub780lime · 11-07-2007, 10:21 PM

HD Exclusive at the moment, but that is just until there is an affordable Bluray player.

Iguana Man · 11-07-2007, 11:50 PM

HD DVD exclusive and a fence sitting person as well. Why can I say that?

Because I make my own rules.

Seriously, I do consider myself sitting on the fence but am HD DVD exclusive too since the HDAO is my means to watch HD. I'm still waiting for the possible end of one, but by then, dual format players will kick ass and be cheap. Make sense?

No?

Tell me I'm wrong then.

Derb · 11-08-2007, 02:22 AM

Wow. You guys are missing out.

Monrozombi · 11-08-2007, 02:26 AM

HD-DVD exclusive

The sale at walmart last week finally pushed me over the edge.

Ruined · 11-08-2007, 03:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derb

Wow. You guys are missing out.

Not so much IMO. BD same technology, costs more, different movies. I can be patient until studios come around and support both.

brian · 11-08-2007, 05:52 AM

I bought into HD-DVD, but would buy into Blu-Ray if I'd be able to get a cheap dual-format player.

**SilentBob** · 11-08-2007, 06:09 AM

Been a Neutral supporter since Feb. I do tend to lean more HD-DVD though and before it was because of the TrueHD tracks and HD-A1 analog support. Now i have my Onkyo 605 receiver i still tend to lean HD-DVD. 51 HD-DVDs and about to have 28 Blu-ray. Chances are though i will be buying a good chunk on my New Line movies on Blu-ray for the new rleeases and category on HD-DVD.

Wurms · 11-08-2007, 07:36 AM

Blu-Ray only. I think its the better technology so I will support it. I also LOVE lossles audio and wont buy a movie without it (doesnt make sense not to include it), and since most HD-DVD discs only come with DD+ or worse, I wouldnt be buying much there anyway. I cant even keep up with the bu-ray movies I want to buy.

I might buy a cheap HD-A2 or A3 on the black Friday sales and rent HD-DVD, but I wont buy them.

My take on the war: The market is going to sustain a two-format war indefinately kinda like the game industry with multiple systems. I can live without Universal and Paramount movies. But wherever Fox goes, I go

They have the movies I want most.

MooglePorn · 11-08-2007, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PunkMunkey

Neutral.

Went Blu first with the PS3. Bought into HDDVD about two months ago when the prices on the players started dropping to more affordable levels (by my own standard).

So far I really enjoy both formats but I've had an overall better experience with the PS3 in terms of just being a better overall player with less quirks and nice responsiveness/build quality/feature set. The HD-A2 is not a bad machine but it's got it's quirks (slower to respond, won't pass pluge over HDMI, no provisions for wireless ethernet connectivity).

I cannot speak of the quality of other Blu-Ray players on the market however...I know some are having issues. Seems as if the only "truly" next-gen media player is the PS3...it really is so much more that a video game machine.

I favor the capacity of Blu-Ray discs as well as the scratch protective coating, but like HDDVD's region free capabilities. I think that the Blu supporting studios are doing a better job of supporting lossless audio and think that that's something the HDDVD studio need to improve upon. Both formats seem to deliver comparable video quality and both have their share of standout films and duds.

In the end, I'm leaning toward one unified format...doesn't matter which one though. If neither format "wins" then I'll still be OK. I just think that the format war, if carried on too long, will only ensure that HDM remains a niche market, which is what I DO NOT want.

That.

Rileydog · 11-08-2007, 01:24 PM

Well, I was on the fence for a while, waiting for one to win over the other.
But, it has become apparent to me that this will not be settled soon, nor do I think one will completely remove the other from the market. And, it really doesnt benefit a company to make a title exclusively in one format only when there are people on both sides willing to buy- narrows there sales potential.
(unless these 'exclusive deals' pay them so much to offset that)

So, after thinking about that last weekend in the wake of all these cheapo (yet non 1080p) Walmart specials, and realizing that the dual player from Samsung will be too expensive for at least the next 6 months into 2008, and some other issues a buddy of mine talked about, I chose BLU-RAY.

I bought a PS3 in the end, and the little time I have spent with it so far has been great. Plus, I did find a Blu-Ray site that talks about all the upcoming, delayed, and committed but no release date set movies coming out on BRD and I can say that I am completely satisfied as I am only going to pick up certain items to improve my collection.

With the Die Hard set coming, Matrix and Batman Begins (which I was concerned since there were HD DVD releases already), Rock, Terminators and some other Arnold flicks, I am pacified for the moment. And, while there is no news specific to LOTR, New Line has started announcing a bunch of dates for Blu Ray movies coming out. (oh yeah, the Blade series)

I would say I am still format neutral though because if it does turn out that some of my favorite series only hit HD DVD, like SW, LOTR, Indiana, and other classics like Jaws etc., then I would get one of those as well. In fact, my wife has already predicted that depending on what LOTR comes out on will determine if I get an HD player.

So, I am enjoying it so far, the sound more than the picture actually. And the fact my wife is noticing how sharp the image is means it must be better cause she really believed this whole HD garbage was nothing better, UNTIL she saw the Food Network in HD. Funny how that works.

In retorspect to last nights partial viewing of SM2, I could do without seeing the sweaty, greasy, crater filled skin of Alfred Molina.

Ruined · 11-08-2007, 03:00 PM

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cheapo Walmart specials

It's worth mentioning that the HD-A2 player Walmart sold for $99 retailed for $499 last year. Its not a "low end" model or anything, it has simply been replaced by a newer HD-A3 model (which is pretty much the same honestly) and they are clearing stock for new inventory. It has gotten awards including product of the year from some sites and has amazing A/V quality, so we aren't talking about a noname POS here.

Quote:

(yet non 1080p)

I am still surprised that people still do not realize it makes no difference if the player outputs 1080i or1080p if you have a good 1080p HDTV that does inverse telecine/deinterlacing. Sony has done a great job of marketing this as a necessity, but for player output it really doesn't matter.

You can read about why 1080i vs. 1080p output makes no difference on HD DVD if you have a good HDTV that does inverse telecine by reading the below links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecin...se_telecine.29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080p#Broadcasts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deinter...lacing_methods
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/guid...h/video2_2.htm
http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/08/14...-and-1080p-mo/
http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/07/24...080i-and-1080/

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Originally Posted by Rileydog

View Poll Results: Where do you stand?
HD DVD Exclusive	18	32.73%
Blu-ray Exclusive	6	10.91%
Format Neutral	20	36.36%
Fence-Sitter	11	20.00%
Other	0	0%
Voters: 55. You may not vote on this poll

11-07-2007, 06:45 PM	#1 (permalink)
Pirate Moderator Emeritus Loves Yellow Subtitles Join Date: Jun 2003	The HD War: Where Do You Stand? It’s time for another HD poll, boys and girls. It’s the end of 2007, so let’s see where our community stands. Do we still have an HD DVD majority or has neutrality and/or Blu-ray taken over? __________________ Early Adopting So You Don’t Have To.

11-07-2007, 07:29 PM	#4 (permalink)
ganthc Actor Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: "Vyenna", VA	Neutral, but lean blu. __________________ HOOK'EM!!! UT LONGHORNS - National Champs 2005-2006!!! http://ganthc.youaremighty.com

11-07-2007, 07:30 PM	#5 (permalink)
Taxi Admin Emeritus Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Orygun	Proud Fence Sitter since... well, since last year I guess. __________________ *Admin Emeritus* \| DDS#42 No, I am not back. Eschew obfuscation.

11-07-2007, 07:42 PM	#6 (permalink)
rixrex Actor Join Date: Jul 2007	Leaning HD, see a few similarities between BD and beta, and not a big Sony fan either, though I have a couple of their LD players. __________________ The Eyes of the City are Mine! Anguish - 1987

11-07-2007, 06:51 PM	#2 (permalink)
Sehnzeleid Actor Join Date: Jul 2006	I'm neutral, but after the "coolness of having something new" with Blu-ray wore off...I find I still prefer HD DVD in the end.

11-07-2007, 07:26 PM	#3 (permalink)
sambow87 Actor Join Date: May 2006 Location: Denton, TX	Just went neutral, but I prefer...majorly prefer HD DVD. We'll see how this whole PS3 thing goes.

11-07-2007, 08:09 PM	#7 (permalink)
limacharliewhiskey FryMaster Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The O.C.	Still sitting on the fence, but thinking of getting in sometime next year. I'm starting to make lists of titles in each format that I'm interested in buying. Software content will likely dictate which format I get. Hardware capabilities are close enough for my needs that it doesn't matter which format I pick. __________________ "Believing oneself to be perfect is often a sign of a delusional mind." - Data in Star Trek: First Contact DVD Aficionado collection.

11-07-2007, 08:25 PM	#8 (permalink)
Moonraker A Look Inside... Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Brooklyn, NY	I a neutral but haven't purchased an HD-DVD since Hot Fuzz when it first came out. Prob would buy when something that interests me comes out. __________________ "Time, won't leave me as I am, but time won't take the boy out of this man." - U2 "In my dream I was drowning my sorrows, But my sorrows, they learned to swim" - U2 A Look Inside ... ARCHIVES \| XBOX Gamertag: MoonrakerC \| PS3 Network: MoonrakerB \| Twitter: MoonrakerB

11-07-2007, 08:38 PM	#9 (permalink)
PunkMunkey Join Date: Jul 2002	Neutral. Went Blu first with the PS3. Bought into HDDVD about two months ago when the prices on the players started dropping to more affordable levels (by my own standard). So far I really enjoy both formats but I've had an overall better experience with the PS3 in terms of just being a better overall player with less quirks and nice responsiveness/build quality/feature set. The HD-A2 is not a bad machine but it's got it's quirks (slower to respond, won't pass pluge over HDMI, no provisions for wireless ethernet connectivity). I cannot speak of the quality of other Blu-Ray players on the market however...I know some are having issues. Seems as if the only "truly" next-gen media player is the PS3...it really is so much more that a video game machine. I favor the capacity of Blu-Ray discs as well as the scratch protective coating, but like HDDVD's region free capabilities. I think that the Blu supporting studios are doing a better job of supporting lossless audio and think that that's something the HDDVD studio need to improve upon. Both formats seem to deliver comparable video quality and both have their share of standout films and duds. In the end, I'm leaning toward one unified format...doesn't matter which one though. If neither format "wins" then I'll still be OK. I just think that the format war, if carried on too long, will only ensure that HDM remains a niche market, which is what I DO NOT want. __________________ ...you left me feeling hopeful I'd never see your face again.

11-07-2007, 09:00 PM	#10 (permalink)
"The Dude" Actor Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Salt Lake, UT	Neutral for me. My BD's slightly out-number my HD-DVD's by 5-10 titles. That said, unless it's a combo, I still prefer HD-DVD. __________________ "This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps!"- Walter Sobcheik in the sanitized Big Lewbowski

11-07-2007, 09:28 PM	#11 (permalink)
Pirate Moderator Emeritus Loves Yellow Subtitles Join Date: Jun 2003	I guess the BD-faithful log in later in the day. __________________ Early Adopting So You Don’t Have To.

11-07-2007, 09:46 PM	#12 (permalink)
jriseden Actor Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: los angeles	Technically I'm blu-ray exclusive, but I would be neutral if Samsung would actually release their hybrid player.

11-07-2007, 10:01 PM	#15 (permalink)
No6PackJoe Actor Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada	Fence sitting costs nothing, and I always seem to pick the wrong way. I think I'll wait a little longer. __________________ No6PackJoe There's always a quicker and easier way to do it wrong.

11-07-2007, 10:02 PM	#16 (permalink)
Moonraker A Look Inside... Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Brooklyn, NY	Would 'OTHER' be... "i'm waiting for HD VMD" __________________ "Time, won't leave me as I am, but time won't take the boy out of this man." - U2 "In my dream I was drowning my sorrows, But my sorrows, they learned to swim" - U2 A Look Inside ... ARCHIVES \| XBOX Gamertag: MoonrakerC \| PS3 Network: MoonrakerB \| Twitter: MoonrakerB

11-07-2007, 10:06 PM	#17 (permalink)
Vonner Previously, on '24'... Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Minnesota	HD-DVD exclusive here. __________________ I was inappropriately blunt, wasn't I? I do that a lot. - Chloe O'Brian

11-08-2007, 02:26 AM	#21 (permalink)
Monrozombi Only wearing 15 pieces of Flair Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wishing it was Pittsburgh	HD-DVD exclusive The sale at walmart last week finally pushed me over the edge. __________________ Jack Bauer once got Helen Keller to talk, she said "Please stop breaking my fingers, I am deaf." "Zombies man, they creep me out" ~ Dennis Hopper Land of the Dead

11-07-2007, 10:21 PM	#18 (permalink)
sub780lime Can't Spell Bilbo Join Date: May 2002 Location: A Galaxy Far Far Away	HD Exclusive at the moment, but that is just until there is an affordable Bluray player. __________________ love comes and goes, but an avatar . . . that's forever. - Pirate

11-07-2007, 11:50 PM	#19 (permalink)
Iguana Man Ex-BadHumor Man Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Jersey, USA	HD DVD exclusive and a fence sitting person as well. Why can I say that? Because I make my own rules. Seriously, I do consider myself sitting on the fence but am HD DVD exclusive too since the HDAO is my means to watch HD. I'm still waiting for the possible end of one, but by then, dual format players will kick ass and be cheap. Make sense? No? Tell me I'm wrong then. __________________ Get outside and have fun! Nacho Website Focus

11-08-2007, 02:22 AM	#20 (permalink)
Derb Actor Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Canada	Wow. You guys are missing out. __________________ My Blu-ray Collection Time for Blu to go mainstream.

11-08-2007, 05:52 AM	#23 (permalink)
brian Digital Jesűs Emeritus Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Wisconsin	I bought into HD-DVD, but would buy into Blu-Ray if I'd be able to get a cheap dual-format player. __________________ Why? fin.

11-08-2007, 06:09 AM	#24 (permalink)
SilentBob Silent Director/Silent Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Burlington, Ontario	Been a Neutral supporter since Feb. I do tend to lean more HD-DVD though and before it was because of the TrueHD tracks and HD-A1 analog support. Now i have my Onkyo 605 receiver i still tend to lean HD-DVD. 51 HD-DVDs and about to have 28 Blu-ray. Chances are though i will be buying a good chunk on my New Line movies on Blu-ray for the new rleeases and category on HD-DVD. __________________ SilentBob's DVD's Supporting both HD-DVD and Blu-ray XBOX LIVE: luvthempocket8s PS3 ONLINE: pokerlover

11-08-2007, 07:36 AM	#25 (permalink)
Wurms Actor Join Date: Nov 2001	Blu-Ray only. I think its the better technology so I will support it. I also LOVE lossles audio and wont buy a movie without it (doesnt make sense not to include it), and since most HD-DVD discs only come with DD+ or worse, I wouldnt be buying much there anyway. I cant even keep up with the bu-ray movies I want to buy. I might buy a cheap HD-A2 or A3 on the black Friday sales and rent HD-DVD, but I wont buy them. My take on the war: The market is going to sustain a two-format war indefinately kinda like the game industry with multiple systems. I can live without Universal and Paramount movies. But wherever Fox goes, I go They have the movies I want most. __________________ MY DVDS "I don't hustle with people who are dishonest."

11-08-2007, 01:24 PM	#27 (permalink)
Rileydog Actor Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Simpsonville, SC, U.S.	Well, I was on the fence for a while, waiting for one to win over the other. But, it has become apparent to me that this will not be settled soon, nor do I think one will completely remove the other from the market. And, it really doesnt benefit a company to make a title exclusively in one format only when there are people on both sides willing to buy- narrows there sales potential. (unless these 'exclusive deals' pay them so much to offset that) So, after thinking about that last weekend in the wake of all these cheapo (yet non 1080p) Walmart specials, and realizing that the dual player from Samsung will be too expensive for at least the next 6 months into 2008, and some other issues a buddy of mine talked about, I chose BLU-RAY. I bought a PS3 in the end, and the little time I have spent with it so far has been great. Plus, I did find a Blu-Ray site that talks about all the upcoming, delayed, and committed but no release date set movies coming out on BRD and I can say that I am completely satisfied as I am only going to pick up certain items to improve my collection. With the Die Hard set coming, Matrix and Batman Begins (which I was concerned since there were HD DVD releases already), Rock, Terminators and some other Arnold flicks, I am pacified for the moment. And, while there is no news specific to LOTR, New Line has started announcing a bunch of dates for Blu Ray movies coming out. (oh yeah, the Blade series) I would say I am still format neutral though because if it does turn out that some of my favorite series only hit HD DVD, like SW, LOTR, Indiana, and other classics like Jaws etc., then I would get one of those as well. In fact, my wife has already predicted that depending on what LOTR comes out on will determine if I get an HD player. So, I am enjoying it so far, the sound more than the picture actually. And the fact my wife is noticing how sharp the image is means it must be better cause she really believed this whole HD garbage was nothing better, UNTIL she saw the Food Network in HD. Funny how that works. In retorspect to last nights partial viewing of SM2, I could do without seeing the sweaty, greasy, crater filled skin of Alfred Molina.