Blu Ray Question

[bloodstainedwings]

Why do the background in blu ray movies look so bad only the forfront image looks clear ( the people on the screen) like in Spiderman 3 the people are crystal clear but the background has grain sometimes its blurry. Yes I know it is the way some movies are supposed to be. but not all. I thougt the intire imag forground and backgeound are supposed to be crystal clean no grain no blurry ness. I thought that is that Hi Def Video is. If a movie can't be pristine why put it on a newer format??

[MooglePorn]

The only way to get no grain is to be shot on pure digital HD cameras, and even then, damn good ones in the right conditions.

Grain is a fact of film.

[LeChuck]

I will hijack this thread to ask another question. I have been getting Lost on Blu and so far 2 out of the three discs have skipped terribly. I pop out the disc and have a hard time finding any scratches at all, maybe some tiny ones. Do BDs suffer worse to scratches? Or was there a problem with the disc when it was made?

[Iguana Man]

It is my understanding that BR discs are coated and supposedly very scratch resistant. You may have a firmware issue but I defer to others on that.

[MooglePorn]

Yeah, BDs should be less sensitive to scratching, not more. Probably a player issue.

[Vonner]

Originally Posted by LeChuck

I will hijack this thread to ask another question. I have been getting Lost on Blu and so far 2 out of the three discs have skipped terribly. I pop out the disc and have a hard time finding any scratches at all, maybe some tiny ones. Do BDs suffer worse to scratches? Or was there a problem with the disc when it was made?

I've watched all the discs of Lost S3 on blu without skipping. It sounds like it might be a firmware problem, or a bad set of discs?

[cherno]

As for things in the background being blurry, isn't that just focus? BD won't magically make everything in the picture in-focus. If that isn't what you are talking about I might not be understanding the question very well.

I haven't noticed anything particularly odd about background grain.

Le Chuck - I have watched the BD of Lost Season 3 and Season 1 DVDs and had no problems with skipping on my PS3. That's not to say that it couldn't still be some disc defect in your set, but only some troubleshooting with multiple sets and players can tell what the problem is.

[Derb]

Originally Posted by bloodstainedwings

Why do the background in blu ray movies look so bad only the forfront image looks clear ( the people on the screen) like in Spiderman 3 the people are crystal clear but the background has grain sometimes its blurry. Yes I know it is the way some movies are supposed to be. but not all. I thougt the intire imag forground and backgeound are supposed to be crystal clean no grain no blurry ness. I thought that is that Hi Def Video is. If a movie can't be pristine why put it on a newer format??

The reason it is blurry is because director's have more than one lens for their camera's when shooting. If the director wants you to only see the actors & not be distracted by backgrounds, he/she will use a different lens. Also there is the infinte lens which some people love because you see everything crystal clear & really shines in HD. The 3D wow factor is always atrributed to this lens.

Originally Posted by LeChuck

I will hijack this thread to ask another question. I have been getting Lost on Blu and so far 2 out of the three discs have skipped terribly. I pop out the disc and have a hard time finding any scratches at all, maybe some tiny ones. Do BDs suffer worse to scratches? Or was there a problem with the disc when it was made?

Its not the discs, I had simular issues on my BDP-S300 but none on the toy.

[bloodstainedwings]

Originally Posted by MooglePorn

The only way to get no grain is to be shot on pure digital HD cameras, and even then, damn good ones in the right conditions.

Grain is a fact of film.

My Starwars The Orginal Trilogy DVD boxset is pristine. So directors and movies companys should not be lazy and make pristine blu ray films there is no need for this. GL used the PC to makes his movies pristine and I am sure he did not use digital cameras when filming these movies, but instead made pristein digital trasfiers. Yet all these old movies like says Lost Boys DVD (1987) say "A new Digital Transfier Mastered In High Definition" Yet the film is full of very noticable grain. worse the watching it on a warnout vhs or cable tv.

[bloodstainedwings]

Originally Posted by Derb

The reason it is blurry is because director's have more than one lens for their camera's when shooting. If the director wants you to only see the actors & not be distracted by backgrounds, he/she will use a different lens. Also there is the infinte lens which some people love because you see everything crystal clear & really shines in HD. The 3D wow factor is always atrributed to this lens.



Its not the discs, I had simular issues on my BDP-S300 but none on the toy.

Thats what I was thinking awhile back, and your are prolly 100% right on that

[bloodstainedwings]

By the way BD's look outstanding to me now. I wnet back and watched some dvd's and i cant believe hoe bad dvd's look to me its unreal they look like warn out vhs movies even worse and these are movies on dvd i thought looked amazing like TMNT so yeah iam so happy to be a blu owner now I finally see the diffirence and i love it so much

[dugpa]

Originally Posted by bloodstainedwings

So directors and movies companys should not be lazy and make pristine blu ray films there is no need for this. Yet all these old movies like says Lost Boys DVD (1987) say "A new Digital Transfier Mastered In High Definition" Yet the film is full of very noticable grain. worse the watching it on a warnout vhs or cable tv.

I'm going to pretend I didn't read this, because my only possible response would end in violence.

[cherno]

Originally Posted by dugpa

I'm going to pretend I didn't read this, because my only possible response would end in violence.

Come on, we aren't that kind of forum. Instead of posting something like that, explain or direct to existing reading for more information.

[ganthc]

Originally Posted by bloodstainedwings

By the way BD's look outstanding to me now. I wnet back and watched some dvd's and i cant believe hoe bad dvd's look to me its unreal they look like warn out vhs movies even worse and these are movies on dvd i thought looked amazing like TMNT so yeah iam so happy to be a blu owner now I finally see the diffirence and i love it so much

It will only get worse for you. My roommates all consider me a snob because I am loathe to watch non-HD content. You will soon develop a dislike for dvd movies. I got the hd-xa2 toshiba player, because supposedly it was so supposed to make dvds look close to HD. Sadly, the hype is not worth the expense. There is only so much you can do with an inferior transfer. As Ruined would say, "You can polish a turd, but it's still a turd."

[LeChuck]

My original question was poorly formed and can be ignored. I was probably out of my mind.
Question 1.1:
I have been getting Lost FROM NETFLIX and have had severe skipping and stuttering while watching two out the three discs so far. I realize there is a better protective coating on BD compared to SD, but if a tiny scratch were to penetrate the defenses of BD, would it be more noticeable than if that same scratch were on SD. I ask because when I take it out to see what is up, I have to really search to see a small number of tiny scratches. I am using a PS3 and have never experienced anything like this.

[Derb]

Originally Posted by LeChuck

My original question was poorly formed and can be ignored. I was probably out of my mind.
Question 1.1:
I have been getting Lost FROM NETFLIX and have had severe skipping and stuttering while watching two out the three discs so far. I realize there is a better protective coating on BD compared to SD, but if a tiny scratch were to penetrate the defenses of BD, would it be more noticeable than if that same scratch were on SD. I ask because when I take it out to see what is up, I have to really search to see a small number of tiny scratches. I am using a PS3 and have never experienced anything like this.

A scratch on a BD is actually worse than one on a DVD because the data layer is closer to the surface of the disc. So if you got a rental & someone decided to go to work on the disc to scratch it, it wouldn't take much to cause playback problems on any BD player.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by cherno

Come on, we aren't that kind of forum. Instead of posting something like that, explain or direct to existing reading for more information.

Actually, I support dugpa's violence.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by Derb

A scratch on a BD is actually worse than one on a DVD because the data layer is closer to the surface of the disc. So if you got a rental & someone decided to go to work on the disc to scratch it, it wouldn't take much to cause playback problems on any BD player.

Aside from what Derb stated, also check for cracks. Netflix BD rentals seem to be more susceptible to cracks than DVD.

[ganthc]

I have had two Netflix bd's that were cracked out of the 60+ I have rented from them. It's hardly a worry, and I just send them back and they send me a replacement. I have had a better success rate with blu-rays playing properly than I have had with dvd. Without even including the stuff I would get from Blockbuster that never played, Netflix has given some pretty scratched up discs as well.

[dugpa]

Originally Posted by Derb

A scratch on a BD is actually worse than one on a DVD because the data layer is closer to the surface of the disc. So if you got a rental & someone decided to go to work on the disc to scratch it, it wouldn't take much to cause playback problems on any BD player.

I've been having a lot of problems lately with Netflix BD discs glitching. I don't see any visible problems on the disc though. My own discs I buy play back fine. Don't know if it's just an odd stroke of luck, or if Netflix is doing something to their discs that causes them to deteriorate. But I'd say probably 65% of the last BD discs I've gotten from Netflix I've had problems with.

[ganthc]

Originally Posted by dugpa

I've been having a lot of problems lately with Netflix BD discs glitching. I don't see any visible problems on the disc though. My own discs I buy play back fine. Don't know if it's just an odd stroke of luck, or if Netflix is doing something to their discs that causes them to deteriorate. But I'd say probably 65% of the last BD discs I've gotten from Netflix I've had problems with.

I think you need to get the toy and an hdmi receiver to solve your problems.

[dugpa]

Originally Posted by ganthc

I think you need to get the toy and an hdmi receiver to solve your problems.

I'm waiting until second gen receivers with dts-ma bitstream and such hit before upgrading. The current crop are too buggy for my tastes. Players I'll buy left and right over and over again, but receives I tend to spend a lot of money on for the best available and only replace once every six or seven years or so. I think by next year it'll be time to upgrade and receivers will be out I can feel confident in using for the next several years. My current receiver I bought back in 2003 and it still kicks the ass of most stuff out there, it just unfortunately doesn't have hdmi nor the new formats. Once I do that, I might buy the toy just to play with, and then buy a Oppo for SD dvd's since the PS3's dvd upconversion looks like shit.

[SilentBob]

Well if i remember correctly i think i read somewhere that Netflex discs were going a bit buggy because of the mail delivery. With some of them being left in the mailbox and in the cold for sometimes hours the new protective coating would become fragile/brittle when brought into play right away. Causing cracks and other problems with the disc itself to occur.

[Derb]

Originally Posted by SilentBob

Well if i remember correctly i think i read somewhere that Netflex discs were going a bit buggy because of the mail delivery. With some of them being left in the mailbox and in the cold for sometimes hours the new protective coating would become fragile/brittle when brought into play right away. Causing cracks and other problems with the disc itself to occur.

Thats a possibility. Correct me but isn't the disc structure one half as opposed to 2 haves glued together? I tested the coating out using different tools to scratch it & I also tested how durable they actually are by bending one disc until it snapped right in half. Didn't take much pressure at all to literally break a disc in half. Any disc can get damaged by mis-use especially weather conditions ala moister. I suspect BDs would be less tolerable to such weather conditions.

[No6PackJoe]

Originally Posted by Derb

Thats a possibility. Correct me but isn't the disc structure one half as opposed to 2 haves glued together? I tested the coating out using different tools to scratch it & I also tested how durable they actually are by bending one disc until it snapped right in half. Didn't take much pressure at all to literally break a disc in half. Any disc can get damaged by mis-use especially weather conditions ala moister. I suspect BDs would be less tolerable to such weather conditions.

Wow you must of really hated that movie