The Battlefield: Dolby Digital vs dts (Official thread)

[tomdkat]

Originally Posted by plissken99

I've been removed from this discussion, but a point I thought I'd add.

Why do you say this? Did you mean you opted to back out previously?

Peace...

[plissken99]

Well I uh... just lost interest.

[tomdkat]

Originally Posted by plissken99

Well I uh... just lost interest.

Ok...

Peace...

[Iguana Man]

You know...my question has always, and will continue to be: Why does DTS sound better 90% of the time for ME.

Remember...I did NOT come into this hellbent on one or the other...Helga helped, but that is a different topic

I am part of a "trend" that Hel...Ruined mentioned. Why do people prefer one or the other? Well...here's my take....and it's completely non scientific:

1) Tighter bass
2) Wider soundstage
3) Seemless front stage.

Those 3 little things sell me to the point where I might say DTS is "better". Is it? Who the f-ck knows, but I know in MY HT...it's a 90% winner.

What does this mean? It means my opinion is my opinion. But, my opinion is best.....for me!

[tomdkat]

Originally Posted by Iguana Man

What does this mean? It means my opinion is my opinion. But, my opinion is best.....for me!

Peace...

[Sycho]

Originally Posted by Iguana Man

You know...my question has always, and will continue to be: Why does DTS sound better 90% of the time for ME.

that is a question that allmost everyone forgets to ask them selves, but I'm glad you noticed, but now maybe you can only use dts for special events, you know listen to the Dolby Digital track more often

[Sycho]

i think i found a perfectly logical reason for this so called "airiness".

The Dolby digital track is typically the theatrical master, which is meant to be played in a theater, with multiple loudspeakers playing back the same sound, creating a more "open" sound-field.

when transfered to home video the same master is used, and if played back in your home, only one (maybe two) loudspeakers used, creating a void between the mains and the rears.

the dts track on the other hand is remix, probably with only one or two loud speakers for each rear, then the "void" is taken in account, thus there in no void.

[Iguana Man]

Originally Posted by Sycho

i think i found a perfectly logical reason for this so called "airiness".

The Dolby digital track is typically the theatrical master, which is meant to be played in a theater, with multiple loudspeakers playing back the same sound, creating a more "open" sound-field.

when transfered to home video the same master is used, and if played back in your home, only one (maybe two) loudspeakers used, creating a void between the mains and the rears.

the dts track on the other hand is remix, probably with only one or two loud speakers for each rear, then the "void" is taken in account, thus there in no void.

I think your wrong son.

Why do I think you're wrong....well...because! The "air" is what I and others hear that seperates DD from DTS.....the "air" is what makes it cool to my ears.

Sorry.....I got a load on.....but man oh man...when are you gonna give up and just accept the fact that some shit sounds better to some even though it "shouldn't" by your repetitive attempts at explaining why it shouldn't?

Sorry man...I mean that...but for crying out loud. If most people like "A" why should "B" be shoved down there throats when it's the "ears" that "hear"????

Forgive me son...it's Sunday, it's 20:00 and I haven't eaten, yet I have "consumed".

Take care dude, you're a smart kid...that I don't doubt. Honest.

[Sycho]

I'm telling you why it's different. stop think dts is better because of the mix they use, just ry the lion king it has the theactrial track and an enhanced track, both dolby digital, but which will you say sounds better

dolby digital has been prove time and time again to provide sound that closest matches the input

edited:

Take care dude, you're a smart kid...that I don't doubt. Honest.

thank you

[tomdkat]

Originally Posted by Iguana Man

Sorry.....I got a load on.....but man oh man...when are you gonna give up and just accept the fact that some shit sounds better to some even though it "shouldn't" by your repetitive attempts at explaining why it shouldn't?

Because most don't make statements like you make above. In fact, you're one of the few who qualifies your preference for dts audio when you comment on this topic.

It's fruitless to debate one's preference but when that preference is stated as some kind of "fact", that's when it comes under scrutiny. Furthermore, no one has defined "better" yet so we're still not fully on the same page either.

Peace...

[Iguana Man]

Originally Posted by tomdkat

Because most don't make statements like you make above. In fact, you're one of the few who qualifies your preference for dts audio when you comment on this topic.

Ouch! Ok, ok....I'm sorry Sycho.

Originally Posted by tomdkat

It's fruitless to debate one's preference but when that preference is stated as some kind of "fact", that's when it comes under scrutiny. Furthermore, no one has defined "better" yet so we're still not fully on the same page either.

Peace...

Well, when I said 'fact' it wasn't in reference to my 'preference'. You remind me of my departed Dad sometimes Tom.....putting me in my place with carefully crafted words that unfortunately (for me) make perfect sense.

That's a good thing by the way....

[tomdkat]

Originally Posted by Iguana Man

Well, when I said 'fact' it wasn't in reference to my 'preference'. You remind me of my departed Dad sometimes Tom.....putting me in my place with carefully crafted words that unfortunately (for me) make perfect sense.

That's a good thing by the way....

And another thing...

Speaking of parents, my grandmother (deceased) on my mom's side used to say this when she was setting someone straight, "Let me tell you one damn thing,..." Bless her heart...


Peace...

[Sycho]

Originally Posted by Iguana Man

Ouch! Ok, ok....I'm sorry Sycho.

no problem, just tell me you understand my reasoning on why dts sounds better in some people's experience, IE dolby using the theatrical mix

[Iguana Man]

Ahhhhh......love is back in the "air" (no pun intended Sycho)

This thread is long, many many pages....it's a difficult thing to keep up with as far as "where" it is going (Tom, you started it!).

With that said, may I ask the point of this thread ?

Grandma...Dad....whomever , help me out here.

1) Are we discussing the technical aspects of each format?

2) Are we discussing the prefered format based on personal listening?

3) Are we discussing the "better" of the 2 formats based on.....what!
___a) Personal preferences.
___b) Technical superiority.

4) Will this ever be settled?

5) Will I stop posting when half in the bag?

6) Will I hear "Let me tell you one damn thing" again?

[Dilmo]

This describes this ongoing rant.

[Iguana Man]

Originally Posted by Dilmo

This describes this ongoing rant.

That smiley thing combined with your 'title' has put a disturbing image in my 'minds-eye' Dilmo.....Thanks! (I think).

[tomdkat]

Originally Posted by Iguana Man

1) Are we discussing the technical aspects of each format?

Yep

2) Are we discussing the prefered format based on personal listening?

Yep, since preferences seem to be the consistent basis for the "better" argument.

3) Are we discussing the "better" of the 2 formats based on.....what!
___a) Personal preferences.
___b) Technical superiority.

Option B would be the best discussion but a mixture of both has what's been happening.

4) Will this ever be settled?

Probably not as people will continue to prefer what they want and think their preference is "the best".

5) Will I stop posting when half in the bag?

Nope.. you can't live without this place...

6) Will I hear "Let me tell you one damn thing" again?

That depends on what you say from here on out...

Peace...

[Sycho]

it's setteled now as dolby digital has been selected for both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray

[Sycho]

here's the press release http://dolby.com/about/news_events/p..._23.09.04.html

edited:it seems that dts also snuck in, even through hd-dvd was only suppose to have one lossy and one lossly
http://dtsonline.com/company/press/p...cID=1&yID=2004
but if you google "dolby hd-dvd" or "dolby blu-ray" you get press releases with "dts hd-dvd" or "dts blu-ray" nothing even close to what dts said, i think it's bull shit

[tomdkat]

Originally Posted by Sycho

here's the press release http://dolby.com/about/news_events/p..._23.09.04.html

As evidence of its pioneering efforts in multichannel audio entertainment, Dolby Laboratories announces that Dolby® audio technologies have been selected as mandatory formats for both High-Definition Digital Versatile Disc (HD DVD) and Blu-ray Disc. The DVD Forum has selected Dolby Digital Plus and MLP Lossless™ as mandatory audio formats for HD DVD. The Blu-ray Disc Association announced that Dolby Digital will be a mandatory technology on its new format, the Blu-ray Disc. Both discs are next-generation packaged media formats designed to deliver high-definition picture quality.

Wow, this should make audio transfers on HD-DVD really something to write home about.

Peace...

[SeanL]

I have to ask...


Sycho, why do you go out of your way to try and tell everyone who likes DTS, that DD is better? Why should it matter to you? You say that no one has proven how DTS is better than DD...but you haven't proven where DD is better. It's all a matter of opinion.

Why not let the folks who like DTS keep on liking it?

[tomdkat]

Originally Posted by SeanL

Why should it matter to you?

This is a good question.

You say that no one has proven how DTS is better than DD...but you haven't proven where DD is better. It's all a matter of opinion.

It's been proven DD is a more efficient codec but "better" has yet to be adequately defined.

Peace...

[SeanL]

Originally Posted by tomdkat

It's been proven DD is a more efficient codec but "better" has yet to be adequately defined.

Peace...

That is correct...and " more efficient" does not automatically make it better.

[tomdkat]

Originally Posted by SeanL

That is correct...and " more efficient" does not automatically make it better.

Of course, since we haven't defined what "better" means within the context of this debate. For all I know, people think dts is "better" because the dts logo is cooler looking.

Definitions, we need an accurate definition of "better" so we will know we're on the same page and can then take steps to prove which is actually "better".

The important thing to keep in mind is the audio format that is "better" might not necessarily be the one that is preferred, which are two different things.

Peace...