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[videoworx]

Ulead DVD workshop is a disgrace - nobody I know can get the program to actually burn anything properly. I would recommend upgrading to something a little more professional. Sonic DVDit! LE is a fine program (www.sonic.com), and will make sure the content is compatible with most players - it does have a few limitations:
-No dolby digital encoding
-No multiple audio streams
-Limited menus (well, only about 200)
-Limited interactivity- buttons have a fixed use, you can't specify every little detail...

For the price, it is one of the better DVD authoring programs. An alternative is SpruceUp (sprucedvd.com). I would avoid anything with the word "Ulead" in it

just my 2 cents

[boddah]

Here's an interesting little article:

DVD Recording Hits Higher Speeds

Many vendors are showing drives that write DVD-R and DVD-RW discs at faster speeds, but the price could pose a problem.

Kuriko Miyake, IDG News Service
Thursday, October 17, 2002

TOKYO -- DVD-R/RW drives are getting faster. Several hardware makers are unveiling drives that write DVD-R discs at up to 4X normal playback speed, and DVD-RW discs at 2X speed. However, the industry is currently watching how the market trend goes, since the drives are still relatively expensive and not many compatible discs are available, yet.

Pioneer showed two new DVD-R/RW drives that support the higher write speeds at World PC Expo 2002, which opened here Wednesday.

"Writing 4.7GB of data on an optical disc takes time and so does editing the same volume of video," said Yoshihiro Watanuki, a product planner at the Business Systems Division of Pioneer. "The faster the write speed is, the better for users."

With a 4X speed DVD-R, an hour of high quality video can be recorded within about 17 minutes, he said.

Pioneer's Products
Pioneer's DVR-A05-J internal drive, which can also write CD-R at 16X speed and CD-RW at 8X speed, is expected to go on sale by the end of October at around $281 worldwide, according to Pioneer spokesperson Akira Munetoh.

The company is also planning to roll out an external model with an IEEE1394a interface in December. This model, the DVR-S502, is expected to be priced at under $400. The company has no plans to launch it outside Japan, Munetoh says.

Pioneer's drive is one of the first to offer the faster write speed. Sony last week unveiled the DRU-500A that can write DVD-R at 4X speed and DVD-RW at 2X speed. This product also writes the competing formats DVD+R and DVD+RW, and is priced at around $385. Sony's external model is expected to be out on November 23.

TEAC will supply a 4X and 2X write speed DVD-R/RW drive, the DV-W50E, to PC makers for inclusion in their products. The drive is expected to be adopted in PCs that will come out worldwide by the end of this year, said Hiroaki Sasagawa, a representative for the Data Storage Products Division at TEAC.

"At the beginning, the drive will cost more than the conventional speed drive, but it should go down soon," Sasagawa said.

Disc Dilemmas
From the end of this year, users can expect to see many PCs with a DVD drive, he said. Adoption of DVD-R/RW drives with 4X and 2X write speeds depends on the availability of compatible media. TEAC expects the drives to become mainstream early next year.

Among the few compatible discs expected to be available soon are Pioneer's. The company plans to release 4X DVD-R discs and 2X DVD-RW discs by the end of October, around the same time it releases its drive, Pioneer's Watanuki said. The discs are expected to be slightly more expensive than conventional write speed discs, he said.

Taiyo Yuden will follow Pioneer, unveiling 4X speed DVD-R and 2X speed DVD-RW discs in November. The price will be around $6 to $7 for the 4X DVD-R discs, compared with about $4 to $5 for its current 2X DVD-R discs.

Hitachi Maxell, a recording media maker, which provides DVD discs in all the five formats, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW, and DVD-RAM, is also developing 4X DVD-R discs, but has no plan for commercialization yet, said Hisaaki Mutsuzaki of Hitachi Maxell's business planning department.

The company is not rushing to unveil a 4X DVD-R disc because there is no demand yet. Drives that can write at 4X speed are still expensive, and there are not many available, Mutsuzaki said.

Competing Standards
While the DVD-R format can now write at up to 4X speed, the fastest write speed of the competing DVD+R format is slower at 2.4X.

Ricoh, a DVD+R/RW developer, is working on the development of a DVD+R/RW drive and disc with a write speed of 4X, said a Ricoh engineer. The company has no plan for its commercialization, yet.

Ricoh is one of the six companies--the others are Hewlett-Packard, Koninklijke Philips Electronics, Sony, Yamaha, and Mitsubishi Chemical--that have formed an alliance to promote the DVD+R/RW format.

Yamaha also exhibited the prototype of its first DVD+R/RW at World PC Expo. The company is currently developing 4X write speed technology for DVD+R.

The other format, DVD-RAM, is supported by the DVD Forum, along with the DVD-R/RW format. Makers such as Matsushita Electric Industrial and Samsung Electronics manufacture compliant products with a maximum write speed of 2X.

World PC Expo runs through Friday at Tokyo Big Sight.

[boddah]

Well, I broke down and ordered the Sony drive from Dell. If anyone is interested, today is the final day to get Dell's 15% off discount. I had planned on waiting for reviews, I guess I'll just keep my fingers crossed.

Edit 10/31:

Shit, the order was delayed until NOVERMBER 29th.

[Ashenden]

I just found this one (via slashdot), excellent review......

http://www.xs4all.nl/~spectuit/review_sony/

It is a review of the Sony DRU-500A DVD-R/+R DVD writer......

[chlngr1970]

Well, I went and did it. I bought an HP DVD burner. I have yet to realy do anything with it, but I thought I'd come here and brag a bit

More details as they become available.

j

[boddah]

I have a feeling this is a fairly common problem, but I just installed my Sony DRU500A and threw in Monsters Inc. to test things out. The video is very choppy, the audio seems OK. I tried a few other DVDs and they're all showing the same choppiness. I'm running it on the latest version of PowerDVD XP, the one that came bundled with the drive.

Specs!
1 ghz Athlon
GeForce 2 64mb
650mb SDRAM


Any suggestions?

Here are some lovely visuals:

[boston george]

I am about to purchase the Panasonic DMR-HS2 DVD recorder with built in 40gb hard-drive. Has anyone used this player? Looking at the features it seems very enticing and I have found it for as cheap as $750. Here is a link Panasonic DMR-HS2

[chlngr1970]

I couldn't even get my HP DVD200i to load up the disk. It would lock up the computer while the drive kept spinning up. Then when it did finally play the menue, it was damn near impossible to get it to do anything else Guess I will just use the ROM for playback of pre recorded DVDs

j

[ElCuCuy2000]

I was thinking of getting one with a hard disk drive..but then asked myself "WHY?" I never made the TIVO plunge, so why bother now? You can record onto DVD right off the air---

I got the cheaper DMR-30 version..works like a champ! I can record almost anything (that isn't copy protected). I have been recording my LDs onto DVD just for the pure and simple reason of convenience. Instead of lugging around 12 inch disks, I can put 200 DVDs in my carrying case and take them on trips, etc.

[boston george]

What kind of stuff is copy protected? Just dvds right? Or are some videotapes protected?

[Kimmo]

Have you seen the Toshiba RD-X2 recoder?

[keiths]

How big of a difference would the the Panasonic's (either hs2 or even e30's) 54MHz/10-bit Video D/A converter make compared to the Toshiba RD-X2's converter (27MHz/10-Bit)?

[1138]

Originally posted by ElCuCuy2000
I was thinking of getting one with a hard disk drive..but then asked myself "WHY?" I never made the TIVO plunge, so why bother now? You can record onto DVD right off the air---

It's a little more than just a recorder...

[thaggas]

I've got a superdrive in my Mac, and it works superbly. I don't watch a lot of DVD's on it, but when I do, it's smooth and it can burn my stuff nicely too. DVD-R is terribly complex, and the compatibility issues are probably the worst I've ever seen in any format. Here is a great article on burning DVDs that is incredibly insightful and educational. It's very lengthy, and I would normally just post the link, but it's a log-in site at www.dv.com. The log-in is free, but there is still that obstacle so here is the article, without the diagrams.



DVD Compatibility Test -- July 2002

For many years, I have been a devoted fan of recordable DVD technology, and I've built my business around it as a DVD developer. It's crucial that I understand how I can author discs that can be read by the widest number of viewers so I can avoid returns, excess technical support, and general end-user frustration. But there are many variables in the DVD world.

In my studio, I have first-, second-, and third-generation DVD-R burners from Pioneer; first- and second-generation DVD-RAM drives from Panasonic; and first-generation DVD+RW drives from HP and Sony. When DVD+R drives become available later this year, I'll be the first one on my block to buy one.

I use recordable DVD extensively in developing and testing titles before I send them out for replication. Other DVD producers circumvent replication and release recordable DVDs they've burned themselves.

With the release of set-top DVD recorders from Panasonic, Pioneer, and others, recordable DVD is rapidly becoming a mass-market product.

Computer-based DVD burners are readily available for less than $400, and set-top units can be bought for less than $1000. Combined with inexpensive DVD authoring tools from companies such as Apple, Pinnacle Systems, Sonic Solutions, Ulead, and others, affordable systems for making your own DVD discs are becoming a reality for many consumers. But compatibility issues are growing exponentially.

Unfortunately, there is trouble in recordable DVD paradise. As with most new technologies, recordable DVD has a compatibility problem. This compatibility problem has three main factors-the DVD formats (e.g., DVD-R, DVD+RW, DVD-RW), the DVD blank media manufacturers (e.g., Maxell and Verbatim), and the DVD players (e.g., Pioneer and Sony)-that have complex permutations.

The purpose of this article is to make DVD producers, vendors, and consumers aware of the compatibility issues for recordable DVD. The compatibility of replicated DVDs, burned from glass masters in high volumes at large DVD replication houses, is outside the scope of this story. I will explore the issues that affect DVD producers who burn smaller runs themselves.

I'll provide recommendations on how to avoid problems when you record DVD discs and how to attain the widest compatibility so your DVD can be watched by as many people as possible. Then I'll wrap up with a few general guidelines to help you get the most out of recordable DVD.



A brief overview of recordable DVD technology
Let's start by taking a look at the different technologies used to make a recordable DVD. There are currently five different types of recordable DVD products on the market. These products are DVD-R for Authoring, DVD-R for General, DVD-RW, DVD+RW, and DVD-RAM. A sixth product, DVD+R, should be widely available within the next few months. Each of these recordable DVD technologies has its own strengths and weaknesses.

DVD-R for Authoring, DVD-R for General, and DVD+R all use organic dyes that are sensitive to an infrared laser. DVD-R for General and DVD+R discs are recorded using a 650nm (nanometer) laser, while DVD-R for Authoring discs are recorded using a 635nm laser. When the organic dye is exposed to a low-power infrared laser, it is permanently changed and the data is recorded onto the disc. The rewritable formats-DVD-RW, DVD+RW, and DVD-RAM-use phase-change materials. There are two different power levels used for writing and erasing data on a phase-change disc. The highest power level causes the surface of the material to become less reflective, and a lower power level causes the material to become more reflective. Phase-change-based recordable DVD media can be rewritten more than 1000 times, but the organic dye material used in DVD-R and DVD+R media can only be written once.



Potential compatibility problems
Several different compatibility problems can occur between a recorded DVD disc and a consumer DVD player. These problems include physical, logical, and application incompatibilities. The DVD specification states that single-layer discs should have a reflectivity between 45 percent and 85 percent, and dual-layer discs should have a reflectivity between 18 percent and 30 percent. The first potential problem with recordable DVD media is if their reflectivity falls outside the specified ranges.

The DVD specification also defines several logical parameters that are important for recordable DVD media. These parameters are stored in the header area of each data sector on the disc, and they include sector type format, tracking method, reflectivity, layers, and data type information. Each logical parameter must be set correctly for a recordable DVD disc to work properly.

Application-level compatibility problems are generally related to the average and burst data rates of the content stored on the disc. In theory, any recorded DVD disc that complies with the DVD specification should work fine on all consumer DVD-Video players. However, in practice, recorded DVD discs with high average or burst data rates, or with data stored at or near the outer edge of the disc, are more likely to exhibit playback compatibility problems.

Physical, logical, and application compatibility problems can manifest themselves in a number of different ways. Many consumer DVD-Video players will fail to mount a recorded DVD disc. When this happens, the player usually displays an error message indicating that the disc is damaged, has the wrong region code, or, in some cases, a diagnostic code. Other typical problems include video artifacts, audio dropouts, and navigation problems that prevent portions of the disc from being accessed. In some cases, a DVD-Video player may lock up while playing a recorded DVD disc.



What is compatible?
One of the most frustrating things that can happen to a DVD developer is to send recorded discs to clients, friends, or relatives, and the discs fail to play properly on their systems. Many developers know enough about potential compatibility problems that they tell their clients or friends to use a compatible player in order to use the disc they send them, but what compatible means isn't always clear.

A number of Web sites-such as www.vcdhelp.com/dvdplayers.php, www.apple.com/dvd/compatibility, and www.DVDMadeEasy.com-provide in-formation about compatible players. Unfortunately, the data found on some of these DVD compatibility Web sites is based on anecdotal information and relies on individual end users to report their experiences with how a single brand of recordable DVD media works on a specific make and model DVD player. Because there are no common standards to define what compatibility is, the information found on these sites must be taken with a grain of salt.

I have a rather simple definition of compatibility as it relates to recordable DVD: A recordable DVD disc is compatible with a consumer DVD-Video player if it works identically to a replicated disc created from the same disc image. In other words, end users should expect that recorded DVD discs will work as well as replicated discs purchased from a retail store.



The ultimate recordable DVD compatibility test
For many years, I have been telling anyone who would listen that we need a more rigorous method of determining the compatibility of recordable DVD discs on consumer DVD-Video players. I know many of the DVD-Video player manufacturers and recordable media vendors have internal compatibility testing programs. However, the results of these internal testing programs are rarely disclosed to the general public, or even the DVD development community. After discussing this problem with the DV editors, we decided to undertake a rigorous compatibility testing effort and publicize the results. This article is an attempt to bring sanity to how compatibility is reported for recordable DVD media on consumer DVD-Video players.

I have an engineering background. More than 20 years ago, I graduated with a bachelor's degree in electrical engineering and went to work for a Department of Defense contractor designing digital signal processing equipment. An integral part of designing electronic equipment is to develop a test plan and procedure to make sure that every unit that comes off the production line works as well as, or better than, the first prototype unit.

Developing a test plan to determine the compatibility of recordable DVD media is actually quite simple. You need to test every possible combination of DVD format, blank media brand, player brand, player model, and player revision. Then you must repeat those tests with multiple copies of each DVD format and brand on multiple copies of each player make and model to eliminate any random variables that might have influenced the test results (like a scratch on one of the test discs or a bad integrated circuit in a player).

I discovered there were more than 50 different combinations of recordable DVD formats and media brands, and over 400 different makes, models, and revisions of DVD-Video players. This adds up to over 20,000 different tests that would have to be run for only a single instance of media on one copy of every player! If the test were expanded to include multiple media copies tested on multiple players, the total number of tests would quickly exceed 100,000.

A realistic recordable DVD compatibility test
Then reality set in, and I realized I had to approach the problem in a more feasible manner. I wrote a test plan and procedure that I could actually implement given time, budget, and labor constraints, yet was still a good, thorough (not to mention unprecedented) test to determine compatibility. I set a $1000 budget to cover the cost of acquiring blank recordable DVD media and shipping all of it to various test facilities. The biggest problem was labor, which was solved through the generous contribution of staff time by five different compatibility testing companies in the DVD industry, none of whom make or sell recordable DVD media or DVD players.

The test's source material came from two DVD-Video disc images I authored using Sonic Scenarist NT 2.5. One disc image was used for full-capacity (4,700,000,000-bytes) media, and a second disc image was used for limited-capacity (3,950,000,000-byte) media. The full-capacity disc image is the Naxos Musical Journey Saint-Saens & Bizet. The limited-capacity disc image is The Call. Both titles were released during 2001 by DVD International and replicated by Panasonic Disc Services Corporation.

I arranged for the discs to be tested in five internal compatibility labs, including two major DVD replication houses because they have the widest range of DVD players and independent positions in the industry. See the "Testing Facilities" sidebar for more information about some of the test sites. They followed detailed test procedures I wrote for each of the two disc images to test content from every area of the disc. The full-capacity (4.7GB) disc test procedure included 28 unique steps, and the limited-capacity (3.95GB) disc image had 16 unique steps.

The test DVD titles were chosen as source material because both titles had high-bitrate content, utilized over 97 percent of the disc's capacity, and had been released as a replicated title. Using high-bitrate content and discs that were close to full capacity meant it would be easy to spot errors caused by a recordable DVD compatibility issue. If a DVD player has to reread data on the disc, the video is visibly paused as it rereads, and an audio dropout may occur. Replicated copies of each disc image were also tested on every player to ensure that any detected problems were a result of their storage on recordable DVD media rather than a flaw in the encoding, authoring, or layout of the test disc image.

In order to pass the test, a recorded disc had to display the video, audio, and graphics at the same level of quality as the replicated version of the title. Each test facility looked for skipped frames, pauses, stuttering, or digital artifacts in the video as they listened for noise, pops, or dropouts. The test facilities also tested menu navigation. The recorded disc had to navigate correctly through the title's menu system to pass the test.

Media types and brands
Figure 1 shows a list of the recordable DVD formats and brands that were included in this test. I would like to thank many of the listed vendors who provided samples of each media type. In addition to media samples provided by vendors, we purchased approximately $1500's worth of blank media.

I chose not to include DVD-RAM media in the test because an extreme minority of consumer DVD players and DVD-ROM drives are capable of reading this format. My testing was a bit too early to include DVD+R, but stay tuned to DV and DV.com for future updates on that format.

DVD-Video players
Figure 2 shows a list of the makes and models of DVD-Video players we tested. Over 2400 unique tests were performed, requiring well over 400 hours of testing labor.

Only players that were designed to handle at least one of the recordable DVD formats listed in Figure 1 were included in the test matrix. Every effort was made to include current models from each vendor, although we were constrained by the specific player makes and models available at each test facility. The acquisition date of each player is listed in parentheses next to the model number.

Making the test discs
The first step in making the test discs was to record five copies of each unique DVD format and manufacturer brand. In order to eliminate as many variables as possible, I recorded at conservative speeds. DVD-R and DVD-RW discs were recorded at 1x speed, and DVD+RW media were recorded at 2.4x speed-the lowest speed settings for each drive type.

DVD-R for General media were recorded on a Pioneer DVR-A03 using B's Recorder Gold software. DVD-R for Authoring media were recorded on a Pioneer DVR-S201 using Prassi DVD Rep 2.0 software. DVD+RW media were recorded on a Sony DRU110A drive using B's Recorder Gold software.

After each disc was burned, I tested it on both a Pioneer DVDV7400 and Sony DVPS400 player to verify that the recording was completed successfully. If the test disc passed all tests on each player, the disc was numbered and set aside for shipping to one of the five test facilities. If the test disc failed any test, it was destroyed so it couldn't be used.

I burned a total of 209 discs for the test. One hundred ninety-five were used to create five sets of 39 test discs. I had 14 discs that either failed during the burning process or didn't work properly in the initial test. I sent a set of 39 test discs and one copy of each replicated disc to each of the five test facilities, along with the detailed test procedures. Running all 41 discs through a single player took approximately five hours.

The test results
Three possible results were recorded for each test: Passes All Tests, Fails Some Tests, and Fails All Tests. Test data sheets were completed by each facility for every combination of DVD format, media brand, and player make and model. All test results were forwarded to me, and then I compiled them into an extensive test results matrix. Figure 3 (above) shows a very small sample of the matrix.

When the results were displayed in this fashion, the results clearly show the inconsistencies of recordable DVD.

It was common to have one disc work flawlessly on one player, work marginally on a second player, and fail to work at all on a third player. It was also common for a single player to play some but not all brands of the same type of media.

Draw the right conclusions
If I had the time, money, and staff to do a more complete test that included mul-tiple copies of each media format and brand, as well as multiple units of each player make and model, I would consider publicizing the raw data-but as the raw data stands, it's prone to misinterpretation. The samples in this test are large enough to draw general conclusions about recordable DVD compatibility, but not large enough to draw specific conclusions about the performance of a specific player model or vendor manufacturer.

The potential for misinterpretation, as well as the sheer size required, is why we're not printing the raw data in this article. I'm also not going to give out test results for a specific brand of media or make and model player. However, with over 2400 test results, I can draw accurate conclusions about the compatibility of different types of recordable DVD formats and media brands.

Conclusion #1: DVD format matters
The first conclusion that can be drawn from the test results is that the format of recordable DVD media is important in determining compatibility between a recorded disc and a DVD player. The data in Figure 4 (below) includes only the test cases that had a "Passes All Tests" result, indicating that the test disc was compatible with the test player.

As you can see from Figure 4, the 3.95GB DVD-R for Authoring format is the most compatible, followed by 4.7GB DVD-R for Authoring and 4.7GB DVD-R for General, whose test results are essentially the same given the margin of error in our test sample. DVD-RW and DVD+RW are the least compatible of the media types.

It is possible to use a less-strict definition of compatibility, which includes results for discs that failed some, but not all, tests. Figure 5 shows the results if we include all test cases that had a "Passes All Tests" and "Fails Some Tests" result in the compatibility percentage. This is equivalent to saying that a recordable DVD disc is compatible if the player mounts the disc and starts to play it back. The quality of playback is ignored in this definition of compatibility.

As you can see from Figure 5-even using a less-strict definition-the 3.95GB DVD-R for Authoring format is the most compatible, followed by 4.7GB DVD-R for Authoring and 4.7 GB DVD-R for General. DVD-RW and DVD+RW are still the least compatible of the media types.

Conclusion #2: Media brand matters
The brand of media is also important in determining compatibility. Figure 6 (below) shows the lowest, average, and highest compatibility rating for each media type by brand. As you can see, there are wide variations in compatibility within a specific format of media based on the media vendor.

Perhaps the best example of this is in the DVD-R for General category, where the worst brand of media had a compatibility rating of only 45 percent while the best brand had a compatibility rating of 80 percent. Because DVD-R for General media is by far the most popular form of recordable DVD, the data illustrates a very important point for most DVD developers: media brand matters! Another interesting point is that DVD-RW and DVD+RW media have much better consistency across brands than DVD-R. In general, if a DVD player could play one brand of DVD-RW or DVD+RW media, it could play all of the brands of the same media format.

Conclusion #3: Player make and model matters
The test results clearly reveal that the make and model of a DVD player is just as important as the format and brand of recordable media. As you can see from Figure 3, some players support one type of recordable media, but not another. In addition, many players exhibit inconsistencies within a media format by playing some brands of media flawlessly, having marginal playback on other brands, and failing to mount other brands at all.

The test results demonstrate the danger of using anecdotal evidence or end-user testimonials to determine recordable DVD compatibility. It is quite likely that end users will have a positive experience with one format and brand of media on their players, but another end-user will have a negative experience using a different format or brand of media on the same make and model player.

Only 10 percent of the players we tested played all 39 different format and brands of recordable media correctly. None of the players we tested failed to read all 39 test discs correctly. This means that 90 percent of the players tested had inconsistent results, playing some formats or brands of media well but playing back marginally on other formats and brands of media.

Conclusion #4: DVD-RW and DVD+RW are very similar
If you look at the data in Figures 5, 6, and 7, you can see that the overall compatibility of DVD-RW and DVD+RW is very similar, and probably within the margin of error of the test. The compatibility ratings of DVD-RW and DVD+RW are lower than DVD-R because many older DVD players won't read rewritable formats at all. Some older players detect that a DVD-RW or DVD+RW disc has the reflectivity of a dual-layer disc (between 18 and 30 percent), but they won't play the disc when parameters stored in the sector header indicate that it is a single-layer disc or has a data type that is not supported by the player. These logical compatibility problems are the primary reasons why DVD-RW and DVD+RW have lower compatibility ratings than DVD-R.

Conclusion #5: Things are getting better
With compatibility ratings of less than 50 percent for certain brands of media, recordable DVD upsets some developers. However, a careful review of the test data offers hope. If we look only at DVD players acquired during 2001 and 2002, the test results improve dramatically. Figure 7 (page 28) shows the results for the 2001 and 2002 models of DVD players that we tested. As you can see, the results for all media types are dramatically improved when we eliminate older players.

Analyzing the test results shows that the overall level of recordable DVD compatibility has improved every year since DVD was initially released in 1996. A few words of caution: There are still a few models on the market that won't play anything but the 3.95GB DVD-R for Authoring media, and there are also some models that can't play DVD-RW or DVD+RW media. If you are considering buying a new DVD player and compatibility with recordable DVD media is important, you should do some homework to determine if the unit you want to buy can play the type of media you generally use.

Conclusion #6: Some media brands work better
It is clear from the test data that some brands of media have better compatibility than others, and that some makes and models of players work better than others. Figure 8 (below, left) lists the compatibility test results for all media brands in the tests. The players listed in Figure 9 (below, right) correctly played all 39 recordable DVD discs in the test. Keep in mind that we only tested a subset of DVD players in the market. I am sure there are many other players that can play all 39 discs in our test perfectly, but they're not listed in Figure 9 because we didn't have access to those players during our test effort.

A few general guidelines
Let me wrap up with a few general guidelines to help you get the most out of recordable DVD. These suggestions are based on the results of the testing and my experiences working with recordable DVD drives and media for the past five years.

1. Use DVD-RW or DVD+RW for internal testing. Find a DVD player that supports either DVD-RW or DVD+RW (or both) and use it for internal testing. Because you can rewrite these discs, you will save money over using a write-once format such as DVD-R for Authoring, DVD-R for General, or DVD+R.

2. Use DVD-R for external testing or final product delivery. Because you probably can't control what type of DVD player the end users have, it's best to send them DVD-R discs. DVD-RW and DVD+RW are still significantly less compatible than DVD-R, so it is better to be safe than sorry. Also, DVD-R media are much cheaper than either DVD-RW or DVD+RW.

3. Use low to moderate bitrate encoding for video if the final product will be delivered on a recordable DVD. Although most DVD players and DVD-ROM drives can read recordable DVD discs, these discs often have a higher error rate during playback than replicated discs do, causing the player to reread some data sectors. Using a low to moderate (less than 7Mbps) data rate for video encoding will make the recorded disc a little easier to reread without a visible pause in the video playback, or audio dropout.

4. Use brand-name media and players whenever possible. Brand-name media are generally more expensive than off-brand media, but your clients, friends, and family will have fewer problems, which means you won't be spending time and money on problem solving.

5. If you choose to use off-brand media, record them at the lowest speed possible-1x for DVD-R and DVD-RW, and 2.4x for DVD+RW. Using slower recording speeds increases the overall compatibility rating of off-brand media.

6. The best value in recordable DVD media right now, in my opinion, is from Apple Computer. Apple sells DVD-R for General media on its own Web site (www.apple.com) for $24.95 for a five-pack. This is by far the cheapest price I have seen for any of the media brands on my recommended list.

Summary and conclusions
If you have gotten this far in the article, you now understand why the issue of recordable DVD compatibility is so important-and so complex.

Those of you who were around during the launch of recordable CD will remember that we had to solve a number of compatibility problems before recordable CD became as popular as it is today. I have no doubt that the recordable DVD drive and media vendors will continue to improve their products and, within a few years, recordable DVD will be as popular and compatible as recordable CD is today. Stay tuned to DV magazine and DV.com for updates on recordable DVD compatibility. Our future testing effort will be expanded to include more DVD formats, media brands, and players.

Recordable DVD compatibility issues are related to the format, media brand, and the make and model of DVD player. It is important to understand there are no perfect recordable DVD formats, perfect media brands, or even perfect DVD players available today.

But if you follow the guidelines in this story, you will be able to minimize the effects of recordable DVD compatibility issues on your DVD projects.

Conclusions
- DVD format, media brand, and player interact to determine compatibility.

- DVD-RW and DVD+RW are very similar.

- The most compatible format is 3.95GB DVD-R for Authoring.

- Name-brand media are more com-patible than off-brand media.

- Of the DVD players we tested, 90 percent show some incompatibility.

- DVD players manufactured since 2001 are more compatible.



Testing Facilities
Five different companies participated in our testing: Still in Motion, Testronic Laboratories, Alpha DVD, and two companies that requested to remain anonymous.

Still In Motion
Still In Motion, a Technicolor Company, is a leading DVD authoring service bureau serving the Hollywood studio market and specializing in Class A titles. Recent projects include domestic and international releases of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, Platinum Edition; Atlantis: The Lost Empire; Unbreakable; and the award-winning DVD Cosmos, the late Dr. Carl Sagan's PBS science series. Still In Motion prides itself on its ability to consistently offer the most advanced and innovative features in the DVD industry. www.stillinmotion.com

Testronic Laboratories
Testronic Laboratories offers professional, confidential product verification services, tailored to meet the needs of the home entertainment industry, from facilities in Pinewood Studios, London, and Burbank, CA. Both sites operate to identical standards, guaranteeing the uniformity of approach essential to multinational content owners and distributors. Established in 1998, Testronic Laboratories is staffed by QA professionals with over 70 years of combined experience in related industries. www.testroniclaboratories.com

[chlngr1970]

Adding the DVD Recorder sthread to this discussion...

j

[StinkPalm]

i recently became very interested in getting a player such as this. i personally would love to replace all my VHS tapes with DVDs and be able to record stuff off TV on DVD instead of VHS. any reasonable priced Recorders out there. I know that Panasonic has a bunch and that Philips has a few. i really wanna get one bad but is it worth it? i see so many at $500+ price range. then ill bet that it drops big time in about a year. it will become a very reasonable price soon in my opinion.
hell look what happened to CD burners! when they first came out they were like $300. now u can get a decent one for $50. should i hold out? anyone have a Recorder? How are they?

[StinkPalm]

ok decided to look up to see if any threads like this have been posted and found a few. so before u all start yelling id like to point out that my thread is pretty different from the others.

[chlngr1970]

well, since you saw that there is an Offical DVD recorder thread, I will go ahead and merge this one with that one. This is where we want to keep the discussion about DVD burners at. This way, people won't have to look all over creation looking for DVD R stuff.

j

[Daniel Shock]

Originally posted by ElCuCuy2000
I was thinking of getting one with a hard disk drive..but then asked myself "WHY?" I never made the TIVO plunge, so why bother now? You can record onto DVD right off the air---

It seems to me the answer is that you don't necessarily want to keep EVERYTHING that you record. Just the victoria's secret specials...

[tomdkat]

Here is a thread youse guys might find interesting....

Peace.....

[1138]

I just got the Sony DVD burner today and along with the Asus card I got last week will hopefully burn a DVD tonight.

[bet]

Hi
Could someone please tell me what format to use when burning DVD's from TV shows that I have loaded onto my hdd ?
They work just fine on computer DVD but will not play on my Toshiba DVD.
Pioneer AO4 and Pioneer DVD-RW disk
ATI 9700 AIW
cable TV
Thanks bet

(tomdkat: merged this post with DVD-R thread)

[videoworx]

Could someone please tell me what format to use when burning DVD's from TV shows that I have loaded onto my hdd ?

First of all, is your Toshiba compatible with DVD-RW discs (not many players are)? Try authoring with DVD-R discs (which your Pioneer CAN use). DVD-R discs work in MOST players.
Secondly, you didn't mention what program you used to author the discs - this HELPS a little. Did you limit the MPEG2 data rate so that it conforms to dvd-spec? Is there a first-load movie for broader compatibility?
Thirdly, the video card you use (Radeon) has no bearing on DVD burning.

[chlngr1970]

I got this question today from a user about:

dvd software
I am looking for a software program that will take jpeg's and write them to dvd but in such a manner as to have transistion's. I can build the jpeg's myself with the different title slides between pictures i need the program to provide the transtions when it burns it onto dvd format and mabye with music. Is there such a program and if so how much??

Any ideas?

j

[1138]

There are many program to do that in the VCD format. I tried out a bunch a month or two ago. I'm not sure what there is for DVD qulaity level.

But what these programs end up doing usually is convert the .jpg image into a very short MPG movie file. Some of the onez I tried allowed you to have transition effects and music (music in the menus too).

For VCD stuff, try out Photo2VCD. I'm not sure on DVD. I'll look around.

[1138]

Sonic MyDVD has the capabilities, but it's kind of restrictive and I'm not too keen on it. You have a 99 picture limit per slide show and you can only choose one song per slideshow.

[dexter757]

I am considering buying the new pioneer or sony dvd-r, but am conserned about how much it will cost for blank DVD's. I want to make back ups of my current DVD collection.
Does anyone know how much it costs for blank dvd's ???
thanks
ryan

[videoworx]

if you buy them in bulk online, DVD-R's can cost as little as 85 cents a piece (check meritline.com, esbuy.com, for example)
BestBuy sells them for a LOT more.

And DON'T FORGET, you will definitely want DVD-R, not +R, or ANY RW variant.

[1138]

Rs range from the bulk prices videowrox mentions to like $10 per disc in a 10 pack (with jewel case) from BB. I've gotten them at Fry's for like $2.50 a disc including jewel case. I've found RWs tend to be about a buck more.

Also, many movies will require more than one disc to backup due to dual layers.

[octopus1256]

Originally posted by videoworx
And DON'T FORGET, you will definitely want DVD-R, not +R, or ANY RW variant.

+R media, or +RW, is better, isn't it.

1. It is cheaper
2. It is compatible with ALL DVD players
3. There are already Philips TV recorders available.

Sony and Philips are the brands to watch as they are the only ones who are going with DVD+R/RW

Source

[videoworx]

+R media, or +RW, is better, isn't it.

it isn't cheaper, and is NOT compatible with all players. Look in the DVD-R forum for more details. the PLUS format is newer than the "-" format, and subsequently is only compatible with players that incorporated the + spec into them.

I've never had any problem with -R's, as they have worked in every player I've put them in

[1138]

-R/-RW are somewhat more compatibile and have beenaround longr and thus are cheaper.

[chlngr1970]

OK...we have a thread specificly for DVDR...
I'm going to merge this with that one.

j

[chlngr1970]

It is really hard to say one way or another which format will prevail. I got the HP because I got one hell of a deal on it. I still haven't burned anything and tried it out on either of my DVD players, but I use my HTPC for most of my playback so I think that it may be a moot point. If I can get the DVDR to work for playback, then I won't ever worry about compatablilty.

j

[dvd505]

I am buying a dvd recorder soon and I have a question. I mostly want to use it to record tv shows and edit out the commercials. What would be the best type of dvds to use for that?

[1138]

dvd-r

it's more compatible with players.

Though it'd be nice to be able to do dvd-rw too so that you can make test discs before you finalize 'em.

[chlngr1970]

Earlier in the thread I reported having difficulties with playback on my HP DVD 200i. Well, I watched a couple movies the last couple nights, and it seemed to go ok. It seems to have a problem with layer changes tho, so I may just keep that for recording purposes after all

j

[1138]

I've heard the Sony isn't great at playback either.

[tomdkat]

Here is the thread started on that:

http://www.dvdfile.com/interactive/f...threadid=27723

Please continue this discussion in THIS thread....

Peace.....

[NotaNumber]

I'm tempted to get a couple of boxes of cereal with DVDs in them to try putting a CD label on them to see if it causes any balance problems even though the original problem appears to be related to DVD-R.