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This unit upconverts current-generation DVDs to hi-def user-selectable 720p or 1080i (to be more correct, it upconverts to VIRTUAL hi-def since the original current DVD source remains at 480p). Unlike either the Samsung HD931 or the Bravo D-1, the V880 accomplishes this feat via EITHER the DVI or component outs/ins. This means that a DVI "in" on your set is unnecessary. I got my V880 last week and have never seen an image on my year 2001 65-inch RCA Scenium from any DVD like this. This replaces my Panasonic RP-56 which was no slouch either. But the V880 is a quantum leap in imaging technology, if my eyes are any gauge. The audio also marks a significant improvement in speech clarity and overall perceived range. The V880 was shipped to me with the macrovison/copy protection turned OFF(thus no HDCP concerns), which allows SETUP to either 720p or 1080i. The native 480p setting out of the factory is VERY good. But switching to either 720p or 1080i will knock your eyeballs out of their sockets. Word of caution: When the hi-def settings were chosen, it took my set at least 3 minutes of multi- colored horizontal snow before everything re-set itself and the menu came back. Don't know if this is simply the electronic "match" between the player and the HDTV, or something else. I found little difference between the 720p or 1080i, except for the long time-interval for the re-set as mentioned above. The remote control on this unit is cheesy and perhaps should be replaced by the manufacturer with a better, more durable model. The unit also responds quite slowly to remote control commands. At 1080i the V880 upconverts reference-class DVDs like North By Northwest and the Superbit version of The Fifth Element from outstanding, to positively 3-dimensional, glassy-smooth images that rival any D-VHS I've seen so far. The greatest improvement, however, is to be found on something like the notoriously bad MGM transfers such as some of the earlier Bond films; those are converted from 'lousy' to 'very good'. In between are the 'average' transfers which now become beautifully clear and sharp, a very noticeable improvement by any standard. I can see why Jack Valenti and the MPAA would want to stop this technology in its tracks, particularly since this not only makes re-purchase of your existing stash of current-generation DVDs by native Hi-Def disks totally unnecessary, but means that the virtual hi-def image can itself be transferred to D-VHS or any other such machine. Such are the vagaries of the marketplace. The so-called 'first sale doctrine' means that in any case if you own a DVD or a player outright, you have the absolute right to use it any way that you want for your own internal personal purpose, so I don't think Mr. Valenti or his cohorts will have any success in stopping it, at least from that perspective. I suppose that, in one form or other, the new chips that drive the V880 will become standard in most players as time goes on, for competitive if for no other reasons. I think many manufacturers may wait for the DVI/HDMI controversy to be decided first, also. Anyway, I thought other of your readers might want to know my experience with this machine. At less than $300 delivered, I don't think there's anything on the market to match this at ANY price. And I have no interest either in the manufacturer or anyone else connected with the V880. I'm just a movie buff. Milt R. Smith mrsmith2002@yahoo.com Last edited by tomdkat : 08-02-2003 at 04:51 PM. |
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![]() I've been reading some additional commentary on this player and it seems to have had an "interesting" history, plagued with quirks galore. I guess one of the latest firmware updates resolves a lot of these issues. As for the video quality from this player, it seems like the component video output at 720p or 1080i is a bit softer than people would prefer. I've read a comment where the DVI RGBHV analog output is "better" than the 720p or 1080i component output of this player. For $300, it certainly brings a LOT to the table and is definitely worth checking out! ![]() By the way, have you experienced any of the lip sync or lock-up problems people have been reporting? Peace...
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Momitsu V880
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interface between my HDTV and the player when changing from one hi-def mode to another. But then I've only played two movies all the way through; in addition however I've now sampled perhaps 14 or 15 others from my library which is the source of my comments. Based on performance so far, I don't see any further need to change the machine from the 1080i it's set for now. Hope I don't experience 'quirkiness' in the future, because that is one characteristic I don't need. As to the "softness" of the image, I would agree, but that appears only when viewing some of the reference-quality movies -- but again, not all. North by Northwest and S/B The 5th Element come out PERFECT, that's the only description I can render. On a few others sampled, I too have found moving the "sharpness" control on the set one click to the right compensates for the "softness" you're describing. It appears what's happening, is that you're taking a native 480p image that's so good to begin with, that up-converting is almost a kind of 'overkill' to a certain extent; yet why that 'overkill' does not come into play with North By Northwest and S/B The 5th Element, I don't know. Khartoum, a Cinerama movie out on a quite-good transfer(at least for MGM), requires the sharpness to the right as the up-converted image is just a little too soft for my taste. I understand that some high-frequency roll-off via component is part of the reason for this phenomenon. Overall, the result at 1080i on most everything I've tried so far is absolutely STUNNING. I''m curious to know how your readers using this machine on a FRONT projector have fared. Hope this information is of some benefit to your readers considering purchase of this new technology. Milt R. Smith mrsmith2002@yahoo.com |
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Finally got the PIONEER ELITE.
Let me just say that I've been looking at so many dvd players that my eyes are trained to look for any kind of noise on the picture at this point. With that said...the PIONEER is by far the best picture i've seen. In my opinion, it's alot clearer and sharper than the DENON and the SONY. Yes, it's a grand player, but...it still doesnt have all the features I want. I think I may just have to come to terms with the fact that I'm asking too much. Oh well. The question is: Do I keep this beautiful player even though the 5disc is useless or trade it in and get a cheaper (maybe not as great) 1 disc. I just don't know. Any thoughts would be great. Later -PH P.S. Does anyone know if there is any kind of input selector that you could plug into and input that would let you stream two players into the same input. Did that make sense? Kind of an A-B input is what I'm looking for (for component wires).
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Re: DVD Player recommendations: Discuss DVD player recommendations here
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Too bad it doesn't have the features you want. ![]() Component video switch boxes DO exist and they might even carry them at Radio Shack. Try doing a search here on "Component Video Switch" and see if you get any hits. EDIT: Oh yeah, if you return the Pioneer you can check out the Pioneer DV-563a which plays DVD-Audio AND SACD and all for under $200! ![]() Good luck! Peace...
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I'll try the switcher thing.
Just to review exactly what it is I'm trying to get out of my system: I want to go straight from the trailers (home made) to the film. ONe dvd player would be on pause while the other is playing the trailers. I want the movie to start once the trailers end, but without switching inputs. I know, I know...it's too much to ask, but I gotta keep trying. When I figure this out, all I'll need is a sticky floor and a rude usher and I'll be a movie theatre ![]() Later -PH
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Hey Pirate. Sorry I didn't reply to your reply from a few weeks ago.
Anyway the idea you have about adding 'toons and trailers before the main feature is pretty cool. I assume you're still searching for a changer player that is programable to switch chapters and still haven't found one? I just had a thought while catching up on this thread. Have you thought about the possibility of a programable remote that you can activate the disc and/or title change with the press of a macro? Perhaps if the player can't be programed you can program the remote to do the steps for you in one step that you would need to do manually. Just a thought.
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Well, ladies and gents...I'm on my 5th DVD player at this point. I returned the 5disc PIONEER for the PIONEER DV-45A. It gets rid of the flicker issue and looks better all around. It's not as pretty as the 5disc, but It's the picture quality that counts. Right?
Thanks for getting back chipmac, I think I'll take toms advice and get a switcher so that I can run the trailers and such through the same input. I dont think any 5disc will let me have enough control to do this. If anyone owns the 45a let me know what ya think. thanks -PH P.s. I'm also looking at the YAMAHA DV-C740. Any opinions on this. I doubt it'll out perform the PIONEER.
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i need a new player, whats thge ebst 1 i can get for 200$ or so and what makes it the best? HELP ME
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Re: DVD Player recommendations: Discuss DVD player recommendations here
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question: these newest players upconvert current- generation DVDs to hi-def at either 720p or 1080i. These represent a quantum leap in display technology over the previous 480 technology. They are the Bravo D-1, Samsung HD931 and Momitsu V880, all of which come in at well under $300. The first two require a DVI input on your display(few of them made prior to 2003 have it), while the V880 does this trick via EITHER the DVI or component route. The image, particularly on large projection screens, whether front or rear, is jaw-dropping from any high-quality DVD and is every bit as good as D-VHS or any HDTV movie telecast by CBS or ABC. Word of caution: the new decoder/boards which drive these new machines are NOT compatible with all displays at 720p/1080i hi-def upcon', so you may wish to try and contact the manufacturer to determine if their installed base is large enough to know whether your particular brand and model display poses any known incompatability issues. In any case, once you've seen these machines at either 720p or 1080i, there;s no going back to 480, that's for sure. Good luck! Milt R. Smith mrsmith2002@yahoo.com |
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Re: DVD Player recommendations: Discuss DVD player recommendations here
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If you haven't done so already, read through the previous posts in this thread to see the kinds of things people have looked for in the past. You might want DVD-Audio and SACD playback and not all DVD players offer that. You might want a player that upconverts to 1080i if you have a display that can accept that kind of video input and not all DVD players offer that. Give us a better idea of what you need (forget what's available for a moment and just post your "wish list") and we can go from there. ![]() Peace...
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haha i ended up getting a panasonic progressive scan PAN DVDS35S - i broke it in with Animal House, its niicee
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I bought the progressive scan Toshiba SD-3900 yesterday and component cables. Whereas it gives a nice picture I was unimpressed with its lack of features (time counter for each chapter for one thing). Unless I am missing how to do that.
I broke it in with "Attack of the Clones". It looked great and sounded great. There was some sound hiccuping though within the main menu and chapter switching. That bothered me. I have been so used to Sony that I am having a hard time this change. Does anyone else here own the Toshiba SD-3900 and what are your experiences with it? I sorta wish I had shopped around a little more. The remote sucks major. |
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Re: DVD Player recommendations: Discuss DVD player recommendations here
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![]() You might want to check out the Pioneer DV-563a that people have been talking about here. It can be found at BestBuy for $170 - $180 and supports DVD-Audio AND SACD. There is a thread in the Hardware forum here dedicated to the DV-563a that you should read. You might also want to check out the Panasonic S35 and the Pioneer DV-363k, which are both progressive scan DVD players for under $100. Good luck! Peace...
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Re: DVD Player recommendations: Discuss DVD player recommendations here
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For well under $300 you can buy the latest- technology hi-def players(Bravo D-1, Samsung HD931 and Momitsu V880) and view current- generation DVDs at either 720p or 1080i. The difference, especially on large front or rear projection screens, is dramatic; there's just no going back to 480 after you see this. Would you go back to laser disk NOW? Words of caution: if your display is a direct- view tube, or a plasma, then the difference won't be that much. Also, the hi-def machines do NOT work on all displays, so you should check with the manufacturers to find out if they have a large enough installed base to know of any incompatability with your make and model display. The D-1 and HD931 require a DVI input on your display; the V880 does the upcon via either DVI or component. Good luck! Milt R. Smith mrsmith2002@yahoo.com |
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Re: Re: DVD Player recommendations: Discuss DVD player recommendations here
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![]() The Toshiba 50H81 doesn't have DVI input so the Bravo and Samsung are basically out (unless there is a DVI to component converter available and I don't think there is, but I really don't know). If he wanted "high-res" video performance from current DVDs and wasn't interested in the audio formats, the Momitsu would probably work very well for him. If he wants great video performance as well as support for the current multi-channel audio formats, the Pioneer DV-563a would be the most inexpensive route and the Denon DVD-2900 and the DVD-2200 (I think) would also be worth checking out. It all really depends on what he wants out of his DVD player. ![]() Peace...
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Portable DVD player recommendation request
Ok, here is a request for a portable DVD player:
portable DVD players... advice please Please post any further info on recommendations in this thread. Thanks! Peace...
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Re: Re: Re: DVD Player recommendations: Discuss DVD player recommendations here
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Did you ever take back your 3900? I ask because I wanted to pick one up at BB the other day for its easy region-hack feature and they no longer were stocking it... Only 4900s... Haven't read if it will do the all-region thing like the 3900 did... ![]() Also... I was going to ask about this whole upconvert thing... I see a happy Momitsu owner... Anyone else trying this with the Samsung or the Bravo? I'm awfully tempted to get one... Any more handy linkage, tomdkat, about this new wave of player? |
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Re: Re: Re: Re: DVD Player recommendations: Discuss DVD player recommendations here
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What are some good portable DVD players for $250 or under? I've seen one at Wal-Mart (bleh) for about $180. It looked alright. It just had The Recruit menu running so I couldn't tell how it actually looked in motion. I'm really wanting a portable DVD player since I watch so many movies. It would be great to have when on a plane or late at night in bed.
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Inexpensive progressive scan DVD player that outputs 1080i upconverted from current 480i DVDs over component video connections:
LiteON LVD-2001: http://www.mypcgoodies.com/mypcg/det...item=LT334001R There seems to be some good feedback about this player on AVS Forum and some prefer the build quality over the Momitsu V880, but the Momitsu also has DVI output which would be THE way to go, if at all possible. ![]() At $140, it's the LiteON is _very_ attractive. ![]() Peace...
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Here's another request for a progressive scan DVD player recommendation:
Need Help...Great DVD Player brttlt, what model of Panasonic TV did you get? Does it have DVI inputs? Peace...
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Depending on Budget, and requirements, I wholehartedly recomend the Pioneer DV563A-S for 180 if you want SACD/DVD-A. If not, I am, as we speak, using a Pioneer DV 260 purchased from Wal Mart for about $80 US, and am Quite happy with it's performance
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Best DVD player to buy, with bells and whistles (progressive, DTS, CD-R...) for $175 - $200.
Which one do i buy and where have people seen the best prices? Thanks
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Re: DVD Player recommendations: Discuss DVD player recommendations here
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I'm not sure if any really exist in the $200 price range, outside of maybe the Bravo D-1.For $175 - $200, there's the Pioneer DV-563a which supports DVD-Video/DVD-Audio/SACD, many CD formats and DVD recordable formats, as chlngr1970 recommends. This has been a very popular player since it supports DVD-Audio/SACD for under $200. If you don't want/need DVD-Audio or SACD, see if you can find a Panasonic DVD-XP30 or DVD-RP82 (which does support DVD-Audio). They've been discontinued but you might be able to find one online. They are _great_ players. The Toshiba SD-4900 (which also supports DVD-Audio) might be worth checking out as well as the Toshiba SD-3950. All of the above players will support Dolby Digital and dts and will all have coax and optical (toslink) audio outputs as well as component video outputs, etc. Do you want any special features like "Zoom" or WMA (Windows Media Audio) or MP3 support? JPEG picture viewer? EDIT: You can ignore the MSRPs on the above product pages as the street prices are much lower than the MSRP. So, in the case of the Toshiba SD-3950, the MSRP is $129 which means you can probably find it for under $100. ![]() Peace...
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pk, I'm going to play dumb. What's the difference between DVI and the "component cables" Which is better? I'm more concerned about my movie viewing via DVD, not what comes over cable or Satelite!
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Re: DVD Player recommendations: Discuss DVD player recommendations here
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The main point here is, if we have a better understanding of which TV you will be connecting the player to and what features you want in your DVD player, we can make a better recommendation. If you read through this thread (even though its long) you can see how having this kind of info can impact our ability to make "accurate" or "pertinent" DVD player recommendations. ![]() Peace...
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TomdKat:The TV I just bought is a Panasonic, 50" HDTV Widescreen with DLP,it's model # PT-50LC13.
On the DVD I would like the best possible picture, so do I go with "DVI". I just bought the "component cables" but have yet to buy the DVD player.
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anybody know anything about the following DVD players:
Denon DVD-900 or Sony DVPNC665P I've heard some good stuff about Denon and that 900 is running at $235 right now!
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Denon DVD players tend to be very good, but I haven't heard much about the DVD-900. Given the price range you've indicated previously, you might want to shop around a bit more and refine your requirements (like do you want a DVI connection or not or do you want DVD-Audio or SACD support or not). Shopping by price can work but you might get a great deal on a player you might not really want.
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Re: Re: Re: DVD Player recommendations: Discuss DVD player recommendations here
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I had a Panasonic RP56 that recently stop working on me, I have since bought the Panasonic S35. I don't know if the S35 is holding up with good picture quality (I could be wrong). I've been looking at the Samsung HD931, I will not be using the DVI input because I have a Hitachi 43 inch without DVI. So my question is...how does the Samsung hold up "picture" quality without the up converting, and is the Panasonic S35 a better player than the Samsung HD931? |
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