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DVD Player recommendations: Discuss DVD player recommendations here
Ok, Kimmo suggested posting a "sticky" thread to be the home for DVD player recommendations, since this topic comes up from time to time.
So, I discussed it with the staff and haven't received any objections (yet) so we'll give it a try. ![]() If you have info on a DVD player you want to recommend to people, please post that info in this thread. Be sure to include the following:
If you are looking for a DVD player recommendation, please post your request for recommendation in this thread. Be sure to include the following:
The more info we have regarding your "requirements" for a new player, the better recommendations we can make. You can read the Secrets DVD player shootout report here. The Secrets report will provide information on various DVD players and how they perform with poorly authored DVDs, among other things. This should be used only as a guide. Additionally, please read the chroma upsampling error (bug) thread to familiarize yourself somewhat about that as this issue WILL come up when comparing various DVD players. ![]() To help get this started, here are links to previous threads with discussion on this, and related topics: New DVD Player Needed Looking for a multi-disc DVD player Cd/DVD changers opinions on Panasonic dvd players Progressive Scan Player shopping help needed Which DVD player is better? Progressive Scan DVD Players with non-anamorphic scaling Pioneer Elite DV-45A vs. Panasonic RP82 Pioneer SACD/DVD-A Players New High End dvd player DVD/CD Changer recommendations? Panasonic RP82 vs. Denon DVD 1600 Which of the following DVD players should I get my parents? Let the games begin! ![]() Peace...
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Good idea, I guess I will be the first to post my recommendation since we have just finished a discussion of this very thing in another thread.
I recommend the Denon 1600 Progressive Scan Single Disk DVD player. The player also plays DVD-Audio. Strong point: Superb Video, Excellent Sound. Great job of dealing with poor DVDs (refer to Secrets report). Weak Points: Remote could be better, I prefer the jog feature on Pioneers and such. Only single disk. Doesn't play SACD's. Only has fiber connection for digital hookup lacks the coax.
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Ok so I want to upgrade to a progressive scan dvd player. I currently use a Toshiba SD2200 with my Toshiba 50H81 HDTV.
Over the past year or so the price on progressive scan dvd players has come way down. If I buy a player like the Panasonic RP62 or S35S will I see a huge difference in picture quality? I can get one of these for under $100.00. Or do I need to spend more like $500.00 on an RP91 to notice a difference. -I am looking to spend under $500. -I want a progressive scan player with both a DTS and DD. -Region free is not a must. Any suggestions?
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If you prefer to stick with Toshiba DVD players, check out the SD-4800 or the SD-3900. I don't know if the chorma upsampling error is bothersome to you. If you've been happy with your current Toshiba player's performance, it probably doesn't bother you as Toshiba DVD players use a de-interlacer (I think it's the de-interlacer) that masks the error well (minimizes it).If you're open to other brands, the Denon-DVD-1600 (link to PDF file) would DEFINITELY be worth looking into. Do you need an optical digital audio connection or can you use an optical or coax digital audio connection? The Toshiba's will have both and the Denon only has an optical digital audio output. If you're keen on trying a Panasonic, see if you can find a RP82 or an XP30. Both offer about the same outstanding video performance. The RP82 has DVD-Audio support but the XP30 does not. "I have this very unit [XP30] in my home," to quote "Buck" from Boogie Nights. I'm currently checking out an XP30 along with a Sony DVP-NS715P and comparing them to my Pioneer V-656a. I've got a Toshiba 57HX81, which is one line above your H81 and the XP30 offers a VERY impressive video picture on my set. Even with only a THX Optimode calibration, the picture is great. Very detailed and smooth. Of course, I'm obligated to mention the Pioneer DV-656a but if you've got $500 to spend see if you can find a Denon DVD-1600 or a Panasonic DVD-RP82 or XP30. I've found my Pioneer to perform almost on par with the XP30, which says a lot sonsidering the XP30 uses GREAT de-interlacing components and great MPEG decoders. Of ALL of the players I mention, the Toshibas tend to have the MOST features. I can't comment on the video performance as I haven't seen it (progressive scan at least) first hand. Why not do this, go to Best Buy and find a Toshiba SD-4800 or SD-3900 and try it out. If you don't like it, return it within 30 days and seek out a Denon or Panasonic. The Pioneer is hard to find in a B&M store. I'm not sure about the Denon. The Panasonics I mention are getting harder and harder to find. I bought mine on eBay. When I'm done doing my testing, I'm going to sell the XP30 so check back with me in a month or two, if you still need a progressive scan DVD player. As for the Panasonic S35, I've heard the NEW Panasonic DVD players do NOT use the Sage/Faroujda (now Genesis) de-interlacer and I've read where people are complaining about the video performance NOT being "up to snuff" as compared to the RP82 and XP30. The Panasonic CP72 is also worth investigating if you want a DVD/CD changer. Peace...
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I may just have to check this player out. I like my Toshiba SD-4800, but I'm becoming less impressed with the video performance. I didn't notice the chroma bug on the Toshiba when I first got it, but now that I've seen it, I see it all the time and it's kind of annoying. The Denon (with the Faroudja processor) wouldn't have the chroma bug, correct? A quick search at pricegrabber.com shows that you can get the Denon DVD-1600 refurbished by Denon for $249.99 at eCOST.com. Click here to get this price. Do you guys think it'd be worth "auditioning" against my Toshiba? How do you guys feel about a refurbished DVD player? I've had refurbished equipment in the past and never had problems, but never a refurbished DVD player. I gotta think Denon would be pretty strict on what it refurbishes. The $249.99 price seems to be a great price on this player. Other retailers are selling in the $380-440 range. I gotta stop buying DVD Players, but I'm rather intrigued by this Denon. I still need to sell my Sony DVP-NS715P and I'm sure I can find a buyer for my Toshiba if I decide on the Denon. I'll keep my Pioneer DVL-700 because it's the only thing I have that plays laserdiscs. edit - fixed link and bad grammar Last edited by MurDiddlyUrdler : 04-18-2003 at 04:24 AM. |
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Once again thanks for all the info tom.
I did some more research last night on the Denon 1600 and it is impressive. Most of the reviews I have found on it rave about it. I just might pick this one up when I get back from vacation in June.
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Oh yeah. Yes I do have an optical audio connection and a receiver that decodes both DD and DTS.
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I'm sure my Pioneer has the chroma upsampling error and I can't "readily" see if, thank goodness, when watching various DVDs. I've watched "Fifth Element" (the scene where they reconstruct Lilu) and I _think_ I've actually seen the chroma bug in action. If I have, it's not a bother to be at all. What did I see? Well in that big red button in that scene, I noticed some _very_ thin black lines through the mid-section of the button as if I was watching a low resolution LD or something. With the XP30, I can see the texture of the button and the color was vibrant and amazing. I also tried "Moulin Rouge" (chapter where you first get to see the "Moulin Rouge" and "Smells Like Teen Spirit" is first heard) and "Toy Story" (scene where Tom Hank's character addresses the toys while standing on that makeshift podeum). I couldn't see any evidence of the error on my Pioneer and the XP30 video and Pioneer video looked identical in those scenes. Since the Denon DVD-1600 is based on the Panasonic DVD-RP82 and the Panasonic DVD-XP30 has video performance equal to the RP82, I think you will LOVE the DVD-1600. I know I'm VERY impressed with how beautiful the XP30's video is and I'm equally impressed with how well my Pioneer has "fared" against the XP30, at least on my Toshiba 57HX81. Peace...
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Thanks for the advice, tomdkat. I'm gonna head to my local Tweeter later today and take a look at the Denon DVD-1600. If I like the way it looks and operates, I'll go ahead and order it from eCOST.com. I'd get it from Tweeter because they're the folks who sold me my TV and sound system, plus I get a discount there, but there's no way they'd come close to that online price of $249.95.
Just one more question: how do you feel about a Denon refurbished DVD player? I gotta think if it was refurbished by Denon, it's gotta be OK. |
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I highly recommend Panasonic players. They are great in the bang for your buck category.
I have an RP91. While the deinterlacing performance is not as good as the RP62, RP82, or Denon 1600, it does do a good job with the latest firmware. It has great features that most players lack, such as auto scaling of non anamorphic DVDs and 1.33:1 DVDs. It will display these DVDs at the correct aspect ration automatically, even if your TV locks onto full mode when receiving a progressive signal.
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I've given TWO Toshiba refurbished players to two different people and one of them "died" a year later. The other was given about a month ago so it's too soon too tell. If you can get the refurb from a place with a good return policy, I would say go for it. Outside of that, I'm not sure what my personal comfort level would be. Of course, I'm NOT criticizing Denon's QA or anything. I just don't know what I would do. ![]() Good luck! Peace...
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eCOST.com does offer extended warranties on their products so I think it might just be worth it to order from them. They want $249.95 for the Denon DVD-1600. Tweeter wants $499.99 for it.
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It's very much like a Panasonic RP82. The only difference I can think of is that it has an "audio only" feature which makes CDs and DVD-Audio sound better by turning of the video circuitry. It does make a difference. Don't know if the RP82 has that. The remote and menus are exactly the same. I got a DVD-1600 because I liked the warm fuzzy feeling of having a Denon receiver and Denon DVD player. The RP82 is a smarter buy. Although that online price you have there is incredible!
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I see a lot of you really like Denon DVD-1600, so I decided to introduce a different opinion.
For a short period of time I had both Denon DVD-1600 and Panasonic RP-82 in my system. I can honestly say that there was noting that Denon did better than Pany and it costs twice the money. So if the picture quality is your main concern I would definitely recommend Panasonic. On the other hand, if you are in Hi-Res music and want the best of both worlds (DVD-a and SACD) and still want good picture performance, looks like that Yamaha DVD-S2300 is the way to go. Of course if sound is your main concern and you can live with its picture there is (now relatively inexpensive) Pioneer Elite DV-45A, which I am very happy with. ![]()
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The Panasonic DVD-RP82 may be a "smarter" buy than the Denon DVD-1600, but there's one very important feature that the Denon has which the Panasonic doesn't appear to have. The Denon has an internal closed caption decoder.
This is important to me because I have a lot of discs (especially from MGM, Artisan and HBO) that do not have English subtitles but do have closed captions. I like to be able to read along with the movie, but HDTVs cannot decode closed captions from a progressive scan signal so it's useful if the DVD player can do this. My Toshiba SD-4800 can do this and it's quite a nice feature. It may not be an important feature to most people, but it could definitely be the deciding factor to me on the Panasonic and the Denon. |
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For those getting HDTVs with DVI inputs, the Bravo D1 might be a DVD player to consider, especially at the $200 price point.
![]() Here is some feedback on this player from AVS Forum. Edit: Here is more feedback on this player too. Peace...
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tomdkat's link above from the Denon website lists the DVD-1600 as having closed caption capabilities and aspect ratio functions. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like it has either function. That page has a "tentative" notation at the top. I see no mention of either of these features in the owner's manual and cannot find anything like them in the player's menus. The lack of these features could be the difference maker for me on this player. My first impression of the video quality is great, however. The DCDi chip does seem to make a difference in the picture. I'll have to test it for a few days to really make a decision on this player. I suppose I could always use this player for anamorphic discs and the Toshiba for non-anamorphic discs and discs with closed captions only. I will say the Denon is a PRETTY player. Looks awesome on my rack! |
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Re: DVD Player recommendations: Discuss DVD player recommendations here
Why wait? For those of you who are enamored of
films in hi-def, Samsung within the next 30 days will offer its new model DVD-HD931 player which upconverts current-generation DVD material to high-definition display(720p or 1080i) via the unit's DVI output. MSRP said to be between $299 and $329. Phillips and one other manufacturer are also said to be ready to offer competing models, and some are predicting that the combined Faroujda dcdi and Genesis FLI2310 chips which accomplish this result in the Samsung machine will eventually be commonplace in most all DVD players, of whatever kind, so your stash of present-day DVDs will be hi-def without being re-purchased all over again. For those of you who have not seen films in hi-def either via HDTV telecasts or via D-VHS, you may be somewhat disappointed to find the difference between today's very best reference-quality DVD transfers, is not all that great. The hi-def versions look a little "smoother" but, to me at least, that's about it. If you're expecting the greatest thing since sliced bread well, don't get all that excited. In any case, you will now be able to watch your present library of DVDs in high-def without further wait. Milt R. Smith mrsmith2002@yahoo.com Quote:
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I know Toshiba TVs upconvert a 480p signal to 540p. I have heard claims that this introduces artifacts. Tomdkat has one of these TVs and if I remember correctly he hasn't noticed any problems. However, the AVS and HomeTheaterSpot forums are full of people who claim this upconversion degrades the picture. However, at the end of the day the only thing that matters is what the owner sees. But what can we expect from a player that upconverts to an even higher resolution? I would love for it to work, but I'm skeptical. Wait a sec... I don't have DVI, so it is a moot point for me anyway! ![]()
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Have you run any DVDs that have been problematic for you in the past through it? Peace...
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found at least one 'black box' manufacturer which enables the DVI output from a new machine such as Samsung's HD931 to be played on "older" digital sets such as my year 2001 RCA Scenium HD65W20. So with that out of the way, your HDCP question will be next and I've sought answers from everywhere. I'll post answers here as soon as I can get them. Also, I've located at least one specific competitor to the HD931, and that's Bravo's D-1 which appears to work on the same principle. Can't find any info on the purported Philips competing machine as yet however. Best guess is that this technology will ultimately become widespread and be incorporated in all new DVD players, for competitive reasons if for no other. Milt R. Smith mrsmith2002@yahoo.com |
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My DVD player died recently. It's a Panasonic DVD-RV31. We got it in November of 2001. If my husband can't get it working again, we will need a new player.
We would like to spend no more than $200. Anymore than that is just more than we can afford. As far as progressive scan player goes, I don't know. I don't know what that means. I just want something that can play any DVD we put in it. I don't know enough about features to know what we'd want. And as far as regions, as long as it can play region 1 DVDs, I'm happy. We'd like to have something with good reviews, naturally. Something that can last a heck of a lot longer than under 2 years. ![]() So, what do y'all recommend? |
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Toshiba SD-2900 (or the SD-2800 if you can find one)(interlaced) Toshiba SD-3900: A progressive scan DVD player you can use the progressive video output from when you get a HDTV later on. ![]() Panasonic DVD-XP30: Get this player if you can find it. I got one on eBay for $179 plus shipping. (progressive scan) Panasonic DVD-S35K (progressive scan) Pioneer DV-656a: Good progressive scan DVD player with video performance a notch below the Panasonic DVD-XP30. I own this player and LOVE it! I also have the Panasonic DVD-XP30 and I was surprised at how close in performance the Pioneer is to the Panasonic, given the Panasonic uses BETTER video processing components than the Pioneer. Pioneer DV-363k (interlaced) All of these players can be found for WELL under $200, with the exception of the DVD-XP30 which might go over the $200 mark a bit (with tax and stuff). ALL of these players should make a fine replacement for your current Panasonic. If you like the Panasonic brand, check out the Panasonic players first. What kind of TV will you be connecting the olayer to? Ignore the suggested retail prices on the above pages. The "street" prices for ALL of the above players will be WELL under $200. ALL of the progressive scan DVD players above also have interlaced video output so you can connect them to non-digitall (analog) TVs just fine. Good luck! Peace....
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to be a super-sophisticated professional-level unit. While Extron has not yet answered my questions including price, from what I can see this would far exceed the consumer type 'black box' needed for the purpose. With this one already out, and literally MILLIONS of "older" digital sets all over the world, this type of thing will be a necessity with units such as the Bravo D-1 and Samsung HD931 coming to market. See www.extron.com for more info. Sounds to me like you're an engineer. Here's my question from a technical perspective: Is HDCP(video, not computer) compliance a function of the DVI output, or is it intrinsic to the display itself? Since there is no reference anywhere I can find, my year 2001 RCA Scenium HD65W20 is presumably not HDCP compliant and so I assume this issue must be addressed simultaneously with a 'black box' such as Extron's(?) Milt R. Smith mrsmith2002@yahoo.com |
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From what I understand, it should offer progressive scan video performance comparable to the Panasonic DVD-RP82, that everyone rants and raves over. I believe you can find the CP72 for under $200 or right around $200. Good luck! Peace...
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: DVD Player recommendations: Discuss DVD player recommendation
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respond to this question. Only thing I do notice is that some consumers on various forums indicate they've been able to run DVI output to some displays(primarily noted are plasma and front-projectors) without regard to any HDCP reference from the display manufacturer -- but again, a few have had no such luck. I would hope that some very smart person out there can answer this technical issue as it certainly will become a major factor with all the millions of "older" digital sets already in use and the new DVI output coming down the pike. Let's hope we get an answer somewhere . . . Milt R. Smith mrsmith2002@yahoo.com |
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