Faroudja DCDi and 3:2 pulldown

[brttlt]

what do you guys know about these 2 feetures?
Denon just came out with their DVD-900, which is running about $275 at Sounstrack! Are these 2 feetures a "must have"?
Thanks

[tomdkat]

All of your de-interlacing and Faroudja questions are answered here:

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volum...e-10-2000.html

Well, maybe not ALL of your questions, but most of them are.

Faroudja is so "popular" because of their long held great reputation for performance in high-end projection systems. To have access to their technology at "consumer level" prices in consumer level components is simply amazing....

Peace....

[snipsnapsappy]

Faroudja is the company that makes the progressive engine. Faroudja is considered by many to be the best one available. But there are different vesions out there. You will notice the Denon 5900 (FLI-2310), 1600 and 910 all use different Faroudja engines. But all are great engines. Some people are able to notice a difference between the two different engines while most can not see the minute differences. I wish you would chill out and understand that all Denon DVD players are of excellent quality. It just depends on how many features you want. I have said many times, the Pioneer 563A will perform at the same level as the Denon only it also has DVD-A and SACD. That is the unit I would get if I were you. Although, personally I am going for the Denon 2900 which I will hopefully get by Christmas.

You can get a Denon 900 at www.clubmac.com for under $100. It is a refurbished unit, but it is refurbished by Denon themselves, so it is completely covered by Denon and should not give you any problems. That would be an excellent place to get that unit.

[tomdkat]

Originally Posted by snipsnapsappy

I wish you would chill out and understand that all Denon DVD players are of excellent quality.

Come on man, he's obviously a newbie here and has a lot of questions.

As he reads the older threads on some of these topics, I'm sure his questions will be answered.

It just depends on how many features you want.

Features and cost of the player...

I have said many times, the Pioneer 563A will perform at the same level as the Denon only it also has DVD-A and SACD.

I own the DV-656a and I would say the DV_563a can perform at levels comparable to some Denon progressive scan DVD players but I'm not sure about will. I also own a Panasonic DVD-XP30 and can tell the difference between the video performance of both players, with the edge going to the Panasonic. Don't get me wrong as I'm a die-hard Pioneer fan which is why I have not discarded my DV-656a, but we don't know how sensitive his eyes are to video quality so we don't know if he will be able to tell the difference or not. Besides, he might want a DVI capable DVD player anyway.

Peace....

[snipsnapsappy]

Sorry, I was not trying to be rude, I just came off that way a little. It just seems that he is very interested in the Denon 900 and asking a lot of questions about it and I just want him to understand that it does what it does with excellent quality and that I am sure he will be more than happy with this product. Especially if he can get it for $95 at some of the Authorized Denon refurb sites. I am just trying to give him options. After all, isn't that why he is asking us?

[brttlt]

that's exactly why I'm asking. I have now found the Denon 910, I'm assuming this years model vs. the 900 for $265.

I have seen also the Pioneer 563A for $169, so for $100 less, you're saying I'll probably get the same PQ, but with the added SACD...

How about the Sony DVPNC665P?

[I 8 Piglet]

I think you will be happy with the PQ of either dvd player. The DVD shootout rates the Denon DVD1600 and the Pannys the highest, and the dvd900 did well but it was significantly lower on the list. They didnt rate the dv563a, but most compare it to the xp30/ rp82 (as Tom did earlier in the thread). I figure that if it holds up so well to them, than it probably has the edge over the 900 or the 910.

Those (Denon, Panny, and Pioneer) were the players that I looked at when I got my projector, and I went with the Pioneer, because it was easier to get ahold of than the Pannys, and not only does it seem to have the edge over the Denon as far as PQ goes, but it also has DVD-A and SACD, (+ its cheap).

I think I understand what Snip was trying to say before. People seem to get caught up in these message boards and online review sites, and drive them selves crazy. All in all the differences, between the equipment you are looking at, are minute, you probably wouldnt notice them if you didnt look for them (the difference/ flaws that is) as a result of all this research. My advise to you is figure out what features you want, and come up with price range, find the player. Than you can post your decision here to see if there are any specific problems that you might not know about.

[tomdkat]

Originally Posted by I 8 Piglet

All in all the differences, between the equipment you are looking at, are minute, you probably wouldnt notice them if you didnt look for them (the difference/ flaws that is) as a result of all this research.

I really don't think this is a fair statement since we really don't know what he'll see and what he won't see. For example, there's someone here who bought the Pioneer Elite DV-45a and complained about the constant "combing" the player did. Someone else here was asking why the "flag reading" JVC he owns would see to briefly blur then sharpen again (probably due to a poorly flagged DVD but I forget the details).

I think a more accurate statement is he possibly wouldn't notice differences or flaws in video quality when considering any of the DVD players we've been discussing in this thread. Otherwise we're speculating on what he will or won't be able to see and that's not really productive. I mean if he's NOT impressed with the "progressive scan video quality" when connected to his LCD TV because he sees "jagged edges" a lot or streaking colors, he might think the "progressive scan hype" is bogus when it could very well be the player he chose to purchase.

Fortunately for him, the DVD players in question here are inexpensive enough he can try one out and see how he likes it and then try something else later on, if he so desires.

My advise to you is figure out what features you want, and come up with price range, find the player. Than you can post your decision here to see if there are any specific problems that you might not know about.

That sounds like great advice to me.

Peace.....

[tomdkat]

Originally Posted by snipsnapsappy

I am just trying to give him options. After all, isn't that why he is asking us?

I hear you completely and fully understand where you're coming from.. it was just the "tone" of the previous comment that resulted in my comment.

Peace...

[snipsnapsappy]

Also check out ww.clubmac.com for a refurbished, but still under Denon warranty, DVD 900 for only $95. Just search for "Denon DVD".

The 910 is not worth the extra $200. Anyways the 1600 is considered the best DVD player around and it does DVD-Audio and it is at www.clubmac.com for $229. That would be the best if you do not care about SACD.

Otherwise the Pioneer will make you very happy.

[tomdkat]

Originally Posted by snipsnapsappy

Anyways the 1600 is considered the best DVD player around and it does DVD-Audio and it is at www.clubmac.com for $229.

At least at that price point one could argue it's the best.. I've been reading some great feedback on the DVD-5900, which is an expensive beast but an impressive beast, nonetheless...

Peace...

[heuresk]

Originally Posted by snipsnapsappy

Faroudja is the company that makes the progressive engine. Faroudja is considered by many to be the best one available.

I thought Silicon Image's PureProgressive was considered to be the best out there? What's the difference? Anyone know?

[tomdkat]

Originally Posted by heuresk

I thought Silicon Image's PureProgressive was considered to be the best out there? What's the difference? Anyone know?

Well, that's a debate that's raged over at AVS Forum for a while now. Denon seems to go back and forth between Faroudja and Silicon Image de-interlacers. The Panasonic DVD players (RP-82, RP-56, XP-30, CP-72) use the Faroudja de-interlacer. The Denon DVD-1600 is based on the RP-82 so it uses it too. The Denon DVD-3800 uses the Silicon Image de-interlacer (the SiS505 or Si504 or something like that) and I'm not sure what the DVD-5900 uses.

When discussing film-sourced material, I'm not sure if a Faroudja de-interlacer is any "better" or "worse" than a Silicon Image one. With video-sourced material, the DCDi feature of the Faroudja de-interlacer helps provide a beautifully de-interlaced image.

You can read more about both de-interlacers here:

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volum...e-10-2000.html

Peace....

[snipsnapsappy]

Denon decided to use a brand new Faroudja processor for the 5900 to allow for the DVI output. The faroudja was found by Denon to have a superior deinterlacer for 1080i and 720p output through DVI.

So, this definitely does not help the debate at all.

It is interesting, however, how the ($3000) Denon 9000 was beaten out by the ($450) Denon 1600 in the secrets test. I have heard from a member of Secrets at the Spot, that the 5900 finally puts all the other players to shame, especially with the DVI output.

So at the moment, Faroudja still seems to be the top dog.

[tomdkat]

Originally Posted by snipsnapsappy

I have heard from a member of Secrets at the Spot, that the 5900 finally puts all the other players to shame, especially with the DVI output.

Yeah, I've been reading glowing feedback about this player on AVS Forum as well as great anticipation of the Pioneer Elite DV59AVI, which sports an HDMI output.

So at the moment, Faroudja still seems to be the top dog.

At least it's viewed this way by most.

Peace...