HELP WITH HDTV!!! How do i get 1080i from a dvd player!? - DVDfile.com forum for DVD, Blu-Ray, and HD-DVD

panhead4life · 11-20-2003, 03:02 AM

My tv is capable of getting 1080i, but it doesn't have a DVI interface, only component, and there is no way that I know of to get 1080i from my dvd's w/o this DVI interface...So how am I suppose to get this from dvd's? Wait for HD-DVD? Is there a converter box or something that will give dvd's 1080i? ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED!!!!!!!!

Thanks!
panhead4life

snipsnapsappy · 11-20-2003, 06:06 AM

Wow, nothing to panick about. You can order the Momitsu 880 DVD player. It upconverts 480i DVD images to 1080i or 720p through the component outputs. That is the only way to get 1080i without DVI. It is against the DVD forum to send out a 1080i image through component. Understand that it is not going to make that much of a difference, if at all on a CRT set. What is so impressive about these players is how they retain the image in digital form all the way through to the displyed image. Since CRT sets are analog, there has to be a conversion to analog somewhere. Supposedly there is not that much of a big image change with the 1080i DVD players on a CRT screen. I can not vouch for that, though, becuase I have not tried it myself on my CRT screen.

panhead4life · 11-20-2003, 07:20 AM

thanks for the reply...are there any other options? I'd wanna stick w/ something made here in the US. Someone at Best Buy told me I can get a HDTV Box Top Set or whatever, and run that through my dvd player for 720/1080i picture...is this true?

Thanks,
panhead4life

leemik · 11-20-2003, 07:45 PM

The device you are looking for is called a video scaler..There are many of them..all types and uses.. and all price ranges. Go here for all you ever need to know:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forum...?s=&forumid=37

...and don't expect to see a miraculous improvement just because you are taking a 480i/480p source and upconverting it to 1080i.. after all it's still a 480i/p source.

--mike

tomdkat · 11-20-2003, 07:57 PM

This belongs in the Hardware forum... moving there now...

Peace...

tomdkat · 11-20-2003, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snipsnapsappy

Wow, nothing to panick about. You can order the Momitsu 880 DVD player. It upconverts 480i DVD images to 1080i or 720p through the component outputs. That is the only way to get 1080i without DVI.

I believe the LiteOn LVD-2001 does this as well. Unfortunately for panhead, this is a Chinese (I believe) DVD player...

Peace...

leemik · 11-20-2003, 08:14 PM

If you are looking for a DVD player that is "made in the USA" your options are pretty slim... If you mean, you are looking for a DVD player easily found in a US retail store that performs 180i/720p scaling, your only option might be a Samsung 931.. but that one only does it via DVI port too..

So really your best option is to either wait or using your current DVD player get an external scaler like the AVT-3700 and get 1080i /720p that way... and unless you go to a high end specialty store, you'd be hard pressed to find an external scaler...

--mike

tomdkat · 11-20-2003, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leemik

If you are looking for a DVD player that is "made in the USA" your options are pretty slim... If you mean, you are looking for a DVD player easily found in a US retail store that performs 180i/720p scaling, your only option might be a Samsung 931.. but that one only does it via DVI port too..

I believe the new Denon DVD-5900 also does upscaling to 720p/1080i but it also does it over DVI and costs over $1,000.

I'm not sure if the Denon DVD-2200 has a DVI output or does any scaling.

Peace...

snipsnapsappy · 11-20-2003, 09:55 PM

The 5900 is the only Denon that does DVI scaling to 1080i.

tomdkat · 11-20-2003, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snipsnapsappy

The 5900 is the only Denon that does DVI scaling to 1080i.

Thanks for the clarification!

Peace...

panhead4life · 11-21-2003, 02:08 AM

okay, i now realize that dvd's are only 480p/i source, so when will they have 1080i source dvd's? I want HIGH DEF DVD's! probably along w/ everyone else......

panhead4life

Fightguard · 11-21-2003, 04:16 AM

http://www.dvdsite.org/

jonathan_little · 11-21-2003, 04:36 AM

For now, there's D-VHS.

snipsnapsappy · 11-21-2003, 05:50 AM

Yeah try out D-VHs. You can get a player for around $250 now at www.clubmac.com. Search JVC VHS

panhead4life · 11-21-2003, 10:00 AM

wow, looks like i'm gonna have to wait for HD-DVD, screw going back to a tape format! although I would like to see what the improvement would look like...Wonder if best buy has a D-VHS system on display?

panhead4life

jlb · 11-21-2003, 01:26 PM

D-VHS.....it's a love-hate relationship. I have seen D-VHS and have been quite impressed with some of the titles. However, I, personally, cannot get past the fact that it is still tape.....and tape can get eaten, ripped, torn, stretched, etc...........

If I were you, I would do a couple of things, depending on what you want to spend.....

1) on the lower end of the cost scale, increase your HDTV capabilities and get the HD package on DirecTV (with HD-DirecTiVOs coming out soon) or an off-the-air antenna to get your HD locals. This will satisfy your HD urges for a while.

2) On probably even more of a lower end of the scale, get a DVD recorder. Yeah, doesn't solve your initial problem, but you will have fun with it.

3) On the higher end of the scale, some of the outboard scalers out there are quite good. Of course, you may have to pay some bigger dollars but they do a great job and blow away most scalers/doublers built into display devices. One that comes to mind is the Faroudja Native Rate scaler. With this unit, you call the factory and give them the native resolution of your display device. They then fit your unit with a board so that it upconverts to exactly the resolution of your device. These are really nice. You can always pay (I think it might be about $500) to have a res. change done if you change display devices.

I have done a lot of business with Ensemble Home Theater A/V in New Hampshire. Give them a call if you want, they are very helpful in this regards! Their website is: http://www.ensembleav.com/

I 8 Piglet · 11-21-2003, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by panhead4life

wow, looks like i'm gonna have to wait for HD-DVD, screw going back to a tape format! although I would like to see what the improvement would look like...Wonder if best buy has a D-VHS system on display?

panhead4life

They have a player, but they dont have it hooked up to a tv...One thing about that player is that it dosnt have component inputs. It boasts the ability to record HD, but you need a source that has firewire outputs to be able to do so. Thats why I am holding off.

Dr. Evil · 11-22-2003, 11:23 PM

Quote:

So how am I suppose to get this from dvd's?

You can always use a home theater PC.

snipsnapsappy · 11-23-2003, 02:55 AM

But you will still need DVI for an HTPC.

Also, even when HD-DVD comes out, it will likely only putput 1080i and 720p via the DVI or HDMI output, not component. The goal of the MPAA and DVDForum is to get rid of analog connections entirely for HD content so that it can never reach the internet. So expect to get a new DVI-HDCP enabled TV when you truly want HD movies. D-VHS will likely be the only pre-recorded format to send HD images through component video.

Start Saving!

***chlngr1970*** · 11-23-2003, 06:01 PM

Quote:

But you will still need DVI for an HTPC.

?????

I don't have DVI in on my projector, and it displays my HTPC at 720P quite nicely, thankyouverymuch

Depending on your display device, you can use a n RGBHV breakout cable for your High Resolution input. Chromy had his HTPC hooked up to the Mitsubishi RPTV that way.

j

11-20-2003, 03:02 AM	#1 (permalink)
panhead4life Actor Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Minnesota	HELP WITH HDTV!!! How do i get 1080i from a dvd player!? My tv is capable of getting 1080i, but it doesn't have a DVI interface, only component, and there is no way that I know of to get 1080i from my dvd's w/o this DVI interface...So how am I suppose to get this from dvd's? Wait for HD-DVD? Is there a converter box or something that will give dvd's 1080i? ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED!!!!!!!! Thanks! panhead4life

11-20-2003, 06:06 AM	#2 (permalink)
snipsnapsappy Actor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Shell Beach, CA, USA	Wow, nothing to panick about. You can order the Momitsu 880 DVD player. It upconverts 480i DVD images to 1080i or 720p through the component outputs. That is the only way to get 1080i without DVI. It is against the DVD forum to send out a 1080i image through component. Understand that it is not going to make that much of a difference, if at all on a CRT set. What is so impressive about these players is how they retain the image in digital form all the way through to the displyed image. Since CRT sets are analog, there has to be a conversion to analog somewhere. Supposedly there is not that much of a big image change with the 1080i DVD players on a CRT screen. I can not vouch for that, though, becuase I have not tried it myself on my CRT screen. __________________ I balked, now the proud owner of both formats. I am now bi-partisan. I enjoy what both red and blue have to offer. My Theater MySpace

11-20-2003, 07:57 PM	#5 (permalink)
tomdkat Official Forum Warmonger "Dial Tone" Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hayward, CA, USA	This belongs in the Hardware forum... moving there now... Peace... __________________ My DVD Aficionado List "At last we shall reveal ourselves to the Jedi, at last we shall have revenge!"

11-20-2003, 09:55 PM	#9 (permalink)
snipsnapsappy Actor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Shell Beach, CA, USA	The 5900 is the only Denon that does DVI scaling to 1080i. __________________ I balked, now the proud owner of both formats. I am now bi-partisan. I enjoy what both red and blue have to offer. My Theater MySpace

11-21-2003, 05:50 AM	#14 (permalink)
snipsnapsappy Actor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Shell Beach, CA, USA	Yeah try out D-VHs. You can get a player for around $250 now at www.clubmac.com. Search JVC VHS __________________ I balked, now the proud owner of both formats. I am now bi-partisan. I enjoy what both red and blue have to offer. My Theater MySpace

11-20-2003, 07:20 AM	#3 (permalink)
panhead4life Actor Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Minnesota	thanks for the reply...are there any other options? I'd wanna stick w/ something made here in the US. Someone at Best Buy told me I can get a HDTV Box Top Set or whatever, and run that through my dvd player for 720/1080i picture...is this true? Thanks, panhead4life

11-20-2003, 07:45 PM	#4 (permalink)
leemik Actor Join Date: Aug 2003	The device you are looking for is called a video scaler..There are many of them..all types and uses.. and all price ranges. Go here for all you ever need to know: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forum...?s=&forumid=37 ...and don't expect to see a miraculous improvement just because you are taking a 480i/480p source and upconverting it to 1080i.. after all it's still a 480i/p source. --mike

11-20-2003, 08:14 PM	#7 (permalink)
leemik Actor Join Date: Aug 2003	If you are looking for a DVD player that is "made in the USA" your options are pretty slim... If you mean, you are looking for a DVD player easily found in a US retail store that performs 180i/720p scaling, your only option might be a Samsung 931.. but that one only does it via DVI port too.. So really your best option is to either wait or using your current DVD player get an external scaler like the AVT-3700 and get 1080i /720p that way... and unless you go to a high end specialty store, you'd be hard pressed to find an external scaler... --mike

11-21-2003, 02:08 AM	#11 (permalink)
panhead4life Actor Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Minnesota	okay, i now realize that dvd's are only 480p/i source, so when will they have 1080i source dvd's? I want HIGH DEF DVD's! probably along w/ everyone else...... panhead4life

11-21-2003, 04:16 AM	#12 (permalink)
Fightguard Actor Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Toronto	http://www.dvdsite.org/

11-21-2003, 04:36 AM	#13 (permalink)
jonathan_little Actor Join Date: Jan 2002	For now, there's D-VHS.

11-21-2003, 10:00 AM	#15 (permalink)
panhead4life Actor Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Minnesota	wow, looks like i'm gonna have to wait for HD-DVD, screw going back to a tape format! although I would like to see what the improvement would look like...Wonder if best buy has a D-VHS system on display? panhead4life

11-21-2003, 01:26 PM	#16 (permalink)
jlb Supporting Actor Join Date: Oct 2003	D-VHS.....it's a love-hate relationship. I have seen D-VHS and have been quite impressed with some of the titles. However, I, personally, cannot get past the fact that it is still tape.....and tape can get eaten, ripped, torn, stretched, etc........... If I were you, I would do a couple of things, depending on what you want to spend..... 1) on the lower end of the cost scale, increase your HDTV capabilities and get the HD package on DirecTV (with HD-DirecTiVOs coming out soon) or an off-the-air antenna to get your HD locals. This will satisfy your HD urges for a while. 2) On probably even more of a lower end of the scale, get a DVD recorder. Yeah, doesn't solve your initial problem, but you will have fun with it. 3) On the higher end of the scale, some of the outboard scalers out there are quite good. Of course, you may have to pay some bigger dollars but they do a great job and blow away most scalers/doublers built into display devices. One that comes to mind is the Faroudja Native Rate scaler. With this unit, you call the factory and give them the native resolution of your display device. They then fit your unit with a board so that it upconverts to exactly the resolution of your device. These are really nice. You can always pay (I think it might be about $500) to have a res. change done if you change display devices. I have done a lot of business with Ensemble Home Theater A/V in New Hampshire. Give them a call if you want, they are very helpful in this regards! Their website is: http://www.ensembleav.com/

11-23-2003, 02:55 AM	#19 (permalink)
snipsnapsappy Actor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Shell Beach, CA, USA	But you will still need DVI for an HTPC. Also, even when HD-DVD comes out, it will likely only putput 1080i and 720p via the DVI or HDMI output, not component. The goal of the MPAA and DVDForum is to get rid of analog connections entirely for HD content so that it can never reach the internet. So expect to get a new DVI-HDCP enabled TV when you truly want HD movies. D-VHS will likely be the only pre-recorded format to send HD images through component video. Start Saving! __________________ I balked, now the proud owner of both formats. I am now bi-partisan. I enjoy what both red and blue have to offer. My Theater MySpace

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