DTS-HD.....sweet!

[Iguana Man]

Link

"DTS unveiled DTS-HD, as the new trademarked brand name for its lossless technology. Previously known under working name DTS++, the DTS-HD mark will denote media, source players and decoders that are compliant with the next generation high definition disc formats, Blu-ray Disc and High Definition DVD (HD-DVD). In addition to debuting the new brand and logo, DTS will support DTS-HD with a branding campaign to roll out in conjunction with the introduction of the new optical disc formats. DTS announced in September that its core 5.1-channel surround sound was selected as mandatory audio technology for both HD-DVD and Blu-ray Disc, and DTS-HD (DTS++ in some Blu-ray Disc and HD-DVD documents), was also chosen as an optional feature in both formats.

DTS-HD is a set of extensions to the Coherent Acoustics audio coding system, which also encompasses DTS Digital Surround, DTS-ES, and DTS 96/24. The introduction of DTS-HD will provide manufacturers and content providers with a complete range of DTS-branded technologies, incorporating lossless technology for next generation formats.

According to DTS, DTS-HD can support a virtually unlimited number of discrete surround sound channels, can downmix to 5.1 and two-channel, and can deliver audio quality at bit rates extending from DTS Digital Surround up to lossless. Currently, DTS-HD is the only audio solution to provide up to lossless operation and backwards compatibility in a single bit stream.

For further information, please visit http://www.dtsonline.com."

Sounds good!

[Sycho]

old news, its just dts ++ renamed

[Iguana Man]

Originally Posted by Sycho

old news, its just dts ++ renamed

Well poop on my parade why dontcha!

:p

Really? I just saw it today....sorry. (It was new to me! )

[Sycho]

i think dts is trying to get extra etention so they renamed their newer codec and put "HD". sorry for pooping on your parade, but my nick name is "pooper"

[Phreak]

DTS announced in September that its core 5.1-channel surround sound was selected as mandatory audio technology for both HD-DVD and Blu-ray Disc

Does that mean DTS is going to be the standard for ALL HD-DVDs Blu-Ray discs?


If so, I'd hate to have stock in Dolby right now.

[Sycho]

dolby have "dolby digital plus" mandatory on HD-DVD and "Dolby Digital" on Blu-Ray, and they anounced almost a week before anounced, and stock might go up cause of dolby digital plus

[Phreak]

So what, does that mean we get both a DD and DTS track on all HD-DVDs, ect?

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by Phreak

Does that mean DTS is going to be the standard for ALL HD-DVDs Blu-Ray discs?


If so, I'd hate to have stock in Dolby right now.

No, it just means DTS is going to own Dolby in the sound quality department on HD-DVD and Bluray just like they did on DVD Can we say lossless *and* backwards compatible?

It will probably be a 24bit/96khz Lossless DTS 7.1 stream totalling 4-6mbps with a fallback 20-bit/48khz 754kbps DTS 6.1 stream within the same audio track for people who don't have a DTS-HD decoder.



(btw I predicted DTS would up the ante and use the lossless portion of their coherent acoustics codec for hddvd long ago )

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by Phreak

So what, does that mean we get both a DD and DTS track on all HD-DVDs, ect?

edit: yes!

[plissken99]

Well DTS HD is a lot catchier than DTS++. I THINK it may be a bit more of a standard on discs in the next format. As we see more DTS titles all the time, and the main complaint about it is that it hurts the video bit rate, which won't be an issue in these next formats.

[Iguana Man]

Originally Posted by Ruined

(btw I predicted DTS would up the ante and use the lossless portion of their coherent acoustics codec for hddvd long ago )

Long ago is an understatement!!! Man.....how old are you anyway?

[Sycho]

Originally Posted by Ruined

No, it just means DTS is going to own Dolby in the sound quality department on HD-DVD and Bluray just like they did on DVD Can we say lossless *and* backwards compatible?

how will dts own dolby when dts tracks typically use a different mix

[plissken99]

Originally Posted by Sycho

how will dts own dolby when dts tracks typically use a different mix

Because DTS tracks typically use a better mix.

[Sycho]

Originally Posted by plissken99

Because DTS tracks typically use a better mix.

but i prefer the theacrical mix used in the Dolby Digital tracks, you can have your hacked up sound mix

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by Sycho

but i prefer the theacrical mix used in the Dolby Digital tracks, you can have your hacked up sound mix

DTS uses the theatrical mix too, it just doesn't mangle the LFE or high frequency seperation like DD

[plissken99]

Originally Posted by Sycho

but i prefer the theacrical mix used in the Dolby Digital tracks, you can have your hacked up sound mix

Alrighty, though I hear DTS in theaters all the time.

[Sycho]

Originally Posted by Ruined

DTS uses the theatrical mix too, it just doesn't mangle the LFE or high frequency seperation like DD

what are you talking about, first theaters uses horn speakers, if you play the overly high output of the home dts tracks, the horns will burn out. second, how exactly does Dolby Digital "mangle" high frequency, it was built from the ground up with channel coupling in mind. Thrid if both tracks use the same mix and sound different, how did warner use the same mixes and sound the same? dts uses a remix track for home theater, are the tracks good, yes, does it make dts a better codec, no fucking way. the only reason for the diffent tracks is to make people like you think dts is better.

[plissken99]

Well when I go to theater they say thie feature is presented in DTS surround, so . Finally, I think DTS sounds better, you don't, I'm REALLY not getting into this with you again.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by Sycho

what are you talking about, first theaters uses horn speakers, if you play the overly high output of the home dts tracks, the horns will burn out.

lol not on a good horn speaker. But DTS Cinema and DTS Home are different anyway.

second, how exactly does Dolby Digital "mangle" high frequency, it was built from the ground up with channel coupling in mind. Thrid if both tracks use the same mix and sound different, how did warner use the same mixes and sound the same?

Channel coupling mangles the high frequencies, I explained it step by step to you in another thread, which you can go re-read if you like

dts uses a remix track for home theater, are the tracks good,

No, studios pick the master for DTS tracks and encode them.

yes, does it make dts a better codec, no fucking way. the only reason for the diffent tracks is to make people like you think dts is better.

tinfoil hat theory. Do you honestly think studios sit there, take two masters, say "OK! this is the crappy one, we'll make this one Dolby Digital and the good one DTS!" Of course not, that makes no sense whatsoever. If it was a difference of mixes, DD would win 50% and DTS 50%. As it stands, DTS wins or ties 95%, DD wins 5%.

Common sense implies DTS is a better codec because nothing else can explain why DTS sounds the same or better on nearly every release when the studios do the DTS mastering and encoding as they have been doing for years on DVD. DTS is simply better than DD both on paper and in practice, and judging from the released specs thus far, DTS-HD is likely going to be better (and more bandwidth hungry) than DD+.

[tomdkat]

Originally Posted by Iguana Man

Well poop on my parade why dontcha!

:p

Really? I just saw it today....sorry. (It was new to me! )

Really? This was mentioned at the end of this thread.

Peace...

[Iguana Man]

Originally Posted by tomdkat

Really? This was mentioned at the end of this thread.

Peace...

Hey! My memory ain't as good as yours Tim, or Ted, or..what the hell is your name again?


Ok....ya got me...I honestly forgot and in my desire to shed what I thought was new news....well, chalk it up to me trying to fix those last remaining brain cells with a good ol shot of beer.

So....hows-about combining or getting all these threads together in one glorious place? That way I don't have to remember so much...

[Sycho]

Originally Posted by Ruined

lol not on a good horn speaker. But DTS Cinema and DTS Home are different anyway.

I know, dts tracks in the home have more high frequence info then the theatrical tracks

Channel coupling mangles the high frequencies, I explained it step by step to you in another thread, which you can go re-read if you like

you explianed it wrong

No, studios pick the master for DTS tracks and encode them.

so because the studios pick them, they can't be different?

If it was a difference of mixes, DD would win 50% and DTS 50%. As it stands, DTS wins or ties 95%, DD wins 5%.

that makes no sense, as dts does use a better mix and you think it is a better codec, your wrong

Common sense implies DTS is a better codec because nothing else can explain why DTS sounds the same or better on nearly every release when the studios do the DTS mastering and encoding as they have been doing for years on DVD. DTS is simply better than DD both on paper and in practice, and judging from the released specs thus far, DTS-HD is likely going to be better (and more bandwidth hungry) than DD+.

i have told you, others have told you, it is a fucking different mix. and if you don't think its a different mix look at what warner did, both the dolby digital and dts tracks sounded the same, explaine that, and if you think there different, well wrong again, becasue any difference would be because of your equipment, not codecs

[Sycho]

Originally Posted by plissken99

Well when I go to theater they say thie feature is presented in DTS surround, so . Finally, I think DTS sounds better, you don't, I'm REALLY not getting into this with you again.

dts in the cinema uses a different master than dts in the home, completly different systems

[plissken99]

Why do they change DTS in the transfer and not Dolby? Moreover, how do cinema DTS tracks compare to Dolby? If they aren't better, why still make them?

[Sycho]

Originally Posted by plissken99

Why do they change DTS in the transfer and not Dolby?

so sertian people will think its better, if it sounded the same would you listen to it?

Moreover, how do cinema DTS tracks compare to Dolby? If they aren't better, why still make them?

the use the same masters but dts is cheaper to install, and apperently dolby digital mandels bass better.

[plissken99]

So they make DTS tracks appear to sound better for the sole purpose of fooling people into the thinking it sounds better... by making it sound better... In the words of Dr. Evil "Riiiight".

[Sycho]

lets see you get a better explenation