Dave's Amps.

Damn Dave!!! Impressive setup. (especially that 9 incher you skillfully sliiped in there )

Question - looks like you have 1 5 channel amp, and 2 2 channel ones right?

WHat's going on? You technically need only 6. 5 for the LF,C,RF,LR,RR and one for the sub. Now can your pre drive 9 amps??

What are you using them for? The only thing I can think of is if you have the front Maggies bi-ampped. So that takes up 4. And then you use the 5 channel for everything else including the sub.

And if I'm right, tell me which amps you used for what. This might be worth a whole seperate thread. I'm curious because that's the way I see myself going in the future.

(Bean - don't reply here. Look at the thread called Dave's amps in the same section)

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[Dave Bean]

Yes, the Maggies are bi-amped. I have the NAD and Rotel powering the 2 front speakers.
The Adcom powers everything else. Actually, I have 2 free channels on my Adcom because my sub is powered....o..wait...forgot to list the sub. I'll go back later.

The NAD is powering the ribbon portion of the Maggies and the Rotel is powering the bass/mid portion. I had originally bought the Adcom to power all the speakers, but when the volumn got high...the Adcom started to clip early and sound harsh. Needed....MORE POWER.

I wish I can hook up the two amps directly to my power substation. As it stands now, when I turn on the Adcom, my lights dim. When I turn all the amps on and play the bank robber scene from HEAT, all my neighbor's lights dim

Don't you agree Colin ?

Dave "need more power" Bean

So in essence you have a kick ass 2 channel system for music and a great system for movies. That really is my long term goal. I'm building up to it though. Want to savour the different nuances as I keep stepping up.

Wanna hear my grand plan? (besides taking over the world that is ) Take a seat it might take a while

I bought a cheapie TV with the intention of replacing it within a year. The 32incher movies into the bedroom.

DVD player moves into the bedroom if and when progressive scan players come out.

I decided on a Denon 3300 and a set up the Energy Take 5 speakers with a sub. I enjoy the 5 channel stereo faeture.

Next step would probably be to replace the mains with something better. Magnepans perhaps and if needed pick up some outboard amps to power them. So the Denon now serves as the driver for my surrounds, center and sub while the maggieshave their own amps.

If possible, I'd use the two satellites left over at this point as front effect speakers.

Step after that would be to replace the surrounds and center(?) and maybe buy amps to power them or continue with the Denons.

Final step - Lexicon MC1 (or whatever's hot) and amps to power the surrounds and the second sub I want to add for the rears. Seperates baby!

What do you think?

How do the maggies sound in 5-channel movie mode? Enough thump? And how about bass heavy music like House or Techno? Can they handle that too?

(edit your first post and add your equipment so I can refer to it. I had no idea you had such a kick ass setup dude!) Waiting for Colin to jump into this thread with his maggies all around observations.

Last question - your pre can handle 9 outboard amps?

-Hook



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[Dave Bean]

Maggies need a lot of room to sound good...at leat 2 feet off the back wall. Can your space handle this?

Get the second to largest Maggies for good bass. The largest is good...but it's also like $10k.

You could continue to power new speakers with the Denon...as long as it can handle the speakers.

In movie mode, they sound great. I wish I can get 5 Maggies, that would be the ULTIMATE. But alas..not enough money or space.

They can handle house or techno, but not alone. You'll need the sub also.

My pre gives out 6 channels. I use 5 of them now, my sub is powered. I think that I could start to split signals....I have no idea about signal degredation.

No, it cannot handle 9 channels. Wait....I wonder if the DB-25 connection and patch outputs are active at the same time. If that's true, then I have like....12 channels........wow !!!!!!

Dave Bean

[Dave Bean]

hey Krishna.....I think people are beginning to stare at us.........

Dave Bean

My pre gives out 6 channels. I use 5 of them now, my sub is powered.

Back up! Okay - if the pre gives out 6 signals how do you have a total of 9 amps running?

I mean (and I'm out of my league here hence all the q's) you have two 2-channel ams powering the maggies and then another 5 channel amp, right? How are all these things plugged in?

UNless the signals given out don't directly corelate to the amps plugging in ... So then you have some sort of a wire going out from the RF output to a split input on the 2 amps that power the speaker, same for the LF and then on and on for the rest...

(People staring at us ... Did you forget about my 2 wheeled toy in yellow? I'm used to stares my man! That is going next week BTW. Got a good deal. )

Krish

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[This message has been edited by Krishna Sriram (edited 08-04-1999).]

[Dave Bean]

Sorry, didn't understand the question til right now. The latest development is that I'm splitting the signal. I can't tell if there's signal degredation. I guess that's good if I can't tell.

Here's the layout:
Sub-out to powered sub (no amp connection)
rear right to Adcom ch 1
rear left to Adcom ch 2
front center to Adcom ch 3
Front right split NAD ch1 and Rotel ch1
Front left split NAD ch2 and Rotel ch2

Adcom channels 4 & 5 are free.

Does this help?

Dave Bean

Got it! Makes sense now.

Space wise - I can handle 2 feet away from the front walls. The cool thing is that they're not too bulky and beign aesthetic is a pretty big consieration for me. THey kinda have to fit into my decor.

Yeah Yeah - I ain't a true HT junkie because if I was my decor would fit into the HT

Hey, you know what we need? The 'Bean 'n Hook' forum - a separate subcategory JUST FOR YOU TWO to chat. Huh huh.

[Dave Bean]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well...what Krishna fondly refers to as "Dave's Amps"...it really has a whole different meaning.........

Forget the sub-catagory....we just need to get a room.........hey Krishna....you droped that bar of soap......why don't you pick it up ? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!!!!!

Dave "no I'm not gay, but I have gay friends and they are great people !!!!" Bean

Bean 'n Hook

Just watching TSAM. That reminded me of Frank 'n Beans. LOL

[Colin Dunn]

In my opinion, the Maggies don't have enough bass for real enjoyment of techno and house music unless you add a subwoofer. By themselves, their bass response is limited for speakers of their size...

MMGs - 50Hz. 48" H x 14" W
1.6s - 40Hz. 66" H x 18" W
3.6s - 35Hz. 72" H x 24" W
MG20s (those are the $10K model) - 25Hz. 78" H x 30" W (really big!!!)

Also to get that rated -3dB point, the speakers need to be 30-36" out from the back wall. Any closer than that, and you lose close to half an octave of bass response.

A sub can fill in some of that gap if you can't place speakers that far out into the room, but you want to get as much bass as possible out of the Maggies. Planar-magnetic bass is a lot tighter than dynamic woofer bass.

That said, techno music takes on a whole new dimension when that 20-40Hz frequence range is reproduced at an adequate level...


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That said, techno music takes on a whole new dimension when that 20-40Hz frequence
range is reproduced at an adequate level...

Okay - I'm not sure I understood tha statement in it's entirety BUT I think it kinda means that the highs and midrange are really well reproduced. Right?

And if I'm right - I agree with you. A lot of techno/house IS a thumping bass line but the better part are the highs and the midranges.

Plus - I think a sub is really an integral part of any HT setup these days. By the time I execute my grand plan and get the Maggies, I should be able to get dual subs. (my optimum setup). One for the front one for the rears.

-Krish