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tomdkat · 04-01-2002, 05:00 AM

Ok, which sub movie is more intense and why?

******** SPOILER ALERT *************

If you have NOT seen either of these movies, rent or purchase them BEFORE reading this thread!

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I have to go with Hunt for Red October since EVERYONE was trying to find and sink Red October, except for the U.S.S. Dallas and I just thought there was more tension in Red October. I think BOTH movies ROCK (not counting historical accuracy in U-571), but I give the slight edge to Red October.

And you?

Peace.....

MrTony · 04-01-2002, 05:18 AM

Definitely Red October. I enjoyed the intelligence community aspect of it, as well as the political elements of the story. I also find it far more quotable:

"Next time, Jack, write a g**damn memo!"

Although I did like U-571. My old roommate and I saw that in the theatre, and then we went and played Axis & Allies. Great recipe for an evening when there's no girls around.

***SeanL*** · 04-01-2002, 08:07 AM

I have to go with U-571.

The overall realism of the movie (the facts around the decoding machine aside), made it seem more intense to me.

But that's not taking anything away from Hunt for Red October....I thoroughly enjoy that one too.

***chlngr1970*** · 04-01-2002, 08:10 AM

Red October, by a LONG shot, IMHO. The performances were second to none. The story line was first rate...and C'MON...IT's SEAN CONNERY!!!

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mtcarmel00 · 04-01-2002, 09:15 AM

Although I love both movies, my vote had to go to Red October. There's nothing wrong with U-571. I actually own both of these, but I just prefer the story of Red October.

beckmen · 04-01-2002, 09:50 AM

Red October is the better movie, without a doubt. But the DVD is Bare-Bones and has a shoddy transfer.

C'mon Paramount. Give us an SE with a NEW Anamorphic transfer and DTS. Plus, wonderful extras.

Daniel Shock · 04-01-2002, 01:34 PM

I think I would have to go outside the box and vote for Crimson Tide...

markedouglas · 04-01-2002, 01:45 PM

HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER for:
- scope
- sexier subs (I would love to be on board a REAL 688(i)!!!!!)
- Cold War - gotta love it!!!

Just good all round action film. Well paced (unlike CRIMSON TIDE imho).

Rogue · 04-01-2002, 01:48 PM

Hunt for Red October. I love that movie. U-571 and Crimson Tide were enjoyable but not in the same league IMHO. However, lets not forget that the best submarine movie ever is Das Boot.
I don't own Red October yet because I was under the impression that the DVD isn't among the best (poor transfer, no extras). Am I wrong? Is there a special edition on the way?

Damian · 04-01-2002, 03:03 PM

Between the two I prefer Hunt, but I'd choose Crimson Tide or either any day.

Filmmaker · 04-01-2002, 03:14 PM

CRIMSON TIDE does indeed blow both out of the water (I've never had the pleasure of seeing DAS BOOT, because I'm holding out for the original 6 hour version), but of the two offered, I voted U-571, if for no other reason than its kinetic energy, which is completely lacking from the well-acted, but totally plodding and sluggish, RED OCTOBER...

tomdkat · 04-01-2002, 03:54 PM

Thanks for the feedback guys. For those who mentioned Crimson Tide, I also like that movie VERY much and for me I thought it was about as intense as U-571 so I consider them to be about equal.

Keep in mind that I don't think any movie is "better" than the other, only that Red October was more "intense" for me. I own all 3 movies and will have "sub marathons" where I will watch Red October (LD), then Crimson Tide (LD), and U-571 (DVD). At the end of this marathon, I'm usually pumped up and looking for the phone number of the US Navy....

(Of course, I then come to my senses and realize I'm not military material and spin more DVDs.....

)

I have NOT seen Das Boot yet, but it IS on my list of must see DVDs...

Peace.....

***Istagi*** · 04-01-2002, 04:11 PM

I voted for Red October... U571 was mearly ok in my book, Crimson Tide was ok as well but my favorite sub movie.

Das Boot - more of an audio experiance than a video one. A gritty war movie that glorifies nothing.

Cramped conditions
bad food
just all around feeling of danger for the seamen......

The line from the captain telling the photographer to wait until the crew grew beards before taking pictures... says a lot about the whole movie.

Brilliant film.... great disk.

DVDriven · 04-01-2002, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tomdkat

I have NOT seen Das Boot yet, but it IS on my list of must see DVDs...

An excellent choice for a blind purchase (it was discounted late last year to $14.99; I'm sure you can find it for less)

I'm holding out my opinion on HFRO vs. U-571 (I've seen the former, I own the DVD for the latter, but hasn't been viewed as yet)

Indyphantom · 04-01-2002, 05:16 PM

The two of them combined can't match up to DAS BOOT...not the films and not the DVD's...

tomdkat · 04-01-2002, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Indyphantom
The two of them combined can't match up to DAS BOOT...not the films and not the DVD's...

Does Das Boot have dts audio? Hunt for Red October does NOT and the DVD is basically equal to the THX Mastered LD that I own, which is why I have not purchased the Red October DVD (yet).

Maybe I'll go ahead and purchase Das Boot blind....

Peace.....

***Istagi*** · 04-01-2002, 07:03 PM

Das boot does not need DTS..... trust me

Any sub movie pales when held next to Das Boot.

I would list my favorite sub movies in this order

Das Boot
Hunt for Red October
Crimson Tide
U571

Oh BTW Das Boot is a flipper.

DVDriven · 04-01-2002, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tomdkat
Does Das Boot have dts audio? Hunt for Red October does NOT and the DVD is basically equal to the THX Mastered LD that I own, which is why I have not purchased the Red October DVD (yet).

It has the following audio tracks:
German (Dolby Digital 5.1), English (Dolby Digital 5.1), English (Dolby Digital 2.0 Surround), Spanish (Dolby Digital 2.0 Surround)

I hope the lack of a DTS track doesn't dissuade you from owning this. Quite a few audiophiles have pointed out that this DVD has one of the best audio mixes ever heard for a war film (that's saying a lot)

tomdkat · 04-01-2002, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DVDriven

It has the following audio tracks:
German (Dolby Digital 5.1), English (Dolby Digital 5.1), English (Dolby Digital 2.0 Surround), Spanish (Dolby Digital 2.0 Surround)

I hope the lack of a DTS track doesn't dissuade you from owning this. Quite a few audiophiles have pointed out that this DVD has one of the best audio mixes ever heard for a war film (that's saying a lot)

Naw, it won't at all..... I don't *require* dts, but I like having dts audio as an option if I can.

I'll probably purchase it soon.....

Peace......

tomdkat · 04-01-2002, 09:55 PM

So, who is it who voted for the last option?

Peace......

***Taxi*** · 04-01-2002, 10:24 PM

Come on Tom, we all know it was you.

I voted for Red October. It's not even close. (And Crimson Tide doesn't come close, either, IMHO.)

Newbomb Turk · 04-01-2002, 10:46 PM

I agree, Red October is the one. Crimson Tide I rate second followed by U-571. All quite good though. The first 2 just happen to have 2 of my favorite actors also with Sean Connery and Denzel Washington, so maybe that's unfair.

Mr. McMinn · 04-01-2002, 10:51 PM

I also voted for Red October.

I remember when it came out in theaters and home video. It even had a 8-bit Nintendo game. I don't think Crimson Tide or
U-571 ever had a video game to accompany them.

Red October 4 life. (no NWO pun intended)

tomdkat · 04-02-2002, 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Taxi
Come on Tom, we all know it was you.

Actually, it wasn't.... honest!

Peace.....

***SeanL*** · 04-02-2002, 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tomdkat
Actually, it wasn't.... honest!

He went back and edited his poll....I know it.

***1138*** · 04-02-2002, 01:15 AM

Chalk up another Red October.

Crimson Tide is a distant second, with U-571 an even more distant third.

John Yaya · 04-02-2002, 01:53 AM

easy pick for me...Hunt For Red October!!!...I'm still waiting for Paramount to reissue it as a Anamorphic SE

Crimson Tide is a great sub flick too....is it even on DVD? I don't recall seeing it around...probably needs to be upgraded as well knowing that it's Disney/Touchstone/Hollywood film from the mid 90's.

Das Boot obviously sits at the top of the list of Submarine thrillers

we all live in a yellow submarine..yellow submarine..yellow submarine...........

Daniel Shock · 04-02-2002, 08:53 PM

Crimson Tide is on DVD, but I'm not sure if its anamorphic or not...

No6PackJoe · 04-02-2002, 08:58 PM

Hunt for Red October, Connery is the man.

Miggy · 04-02-2002, 09:01 PM

Must put Das Boots on my list of DVDs to watch one day....

Miggy, the Thief

Raf · 04-02-2002, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tomdkat
Ok, which sub movie is more intense and why?

Red October... Better script, better directing, better editing, better actors...

"You'll get the Order of Lenin for this..."

-Raf

Kevin P · 04-03-2002, 07:07 PM

I agree with Istagi.

I really didn't like the historical INaccuracy in U-571... it was the British who broke the code... and for the movie to play like the Americans did, and then to mention this alteration by stating the real facts at the end ... well it loses some points for that.

But outside of that... I still think that RED OCTOBER along with CRIMSON TIDE are above U-571. Which has very good sound and a enjoyable story... even if inaccure. :-)

Great idea... watching these SUB type movies!!

Kevin P · 04-03-2002, 07:13 PM

I agree with Istagi.

I really didn't like the historical INaccuracy in U-571... it was the British who broke the code... and for the movie to play like the Americans did, and then to mention this alteration by stating the real facts at the end ... well it loses some points for that.

But outside of that... I still think that RED OCTOBER along with CRIMSON TIDE are above U-571. Which has very good sound and a enjoyable story... even if inaccure. :-)

Great idea... watching these SUB type movies!!

Kevin P · 04-03-2002, 07:15 PM

"Some things don't react too well to bullets" ... yeah me! :-)

View Poll Results: Which is more intense: Hunt for Red October or U-571
Hunt for Red October	43	76.79%
U-571	8	14.29%
I've never seen either movie	4	7.14%
I don't like war movies.... I prefer The Matrix...	1	1.79%
Voters: 56. You may not vote on this poll

04-01-2002, 05:00 AM	#1 (permalink)
tomdkat Official Forum Warmonger "Dial Tone" Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hayward, CA, USA	Let's get ready to rumble: Hunt for Red October vs U-571 Ok, which sub movie is more intense and why? ****** SPOILER ALERT ********* If you have NOT seen either of these movies, rent or purchase them BEFORE reading this thread! ********************************************* I have to go with Hunt for Red October since EVERYONE was trying to find and sink Red October, except for the U.S.S. Dallas and I just thought there was more tension in Red October. I think BOTH movies ROCK (not counting historical accuracy in U-571), but I give the slight edge to Red October. And you? Peace..... __________________ My DVD Aficionado List "At last we shall reveal ourselves to the Jedi, at last we shall have revenge!"

04-01-2002, 05:18 AM	#2 (permalink)
MrTony Forum Wise Guy Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Waterloo, Iowa, USA	Definitely Red October. I enjoyed the intelligence community aspect of it, as well as the political elements of the story. I also find it far more quotable: "Next time, Jack, write a gdamn memo!" Although I did like U-571.** My old roommate and I saw that in the theatre, and then we went and played Axis & Allies. Great recipe for an evening when there's no girls around. __________________ Prevent tornadoes before they happen: Make sure that warm, moist air fronts do not converge with cool, dry ones. Movies, Music and a few Games My Top 20 Films

04-01-2002, 08:07 AM	#3 (permalink)
*SeanL* Producer/Admin Got BMG? Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NW Florida	I have to go with U-571. The overall realism of the movie (the facts around the decoding machine aside), made it seem more intense to me. But that's not taking anything away from Hunt for Red October....I thoroughly enjoy that one too. __________________ Forum Administrator "You can never go home again, Oatman... but I guess you can shop there."

04-01-2002, 08:10 AM	#4 (permalink)
*chlngr1970* Producer/Admin Tenacious "OB" Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Spanaway Washington	Red October, by a LONG shot, IMHO. The performances were second to none. The story line was first rate...and C'MON...IT's SEAN CONNERY!!! j __________________ "The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love, and be loved in return" Christian, Moulin Rouge

04-01-2002, 09:15 AM	#5 (permalink)
mtcarmel00 Wholesome. Actor. Get used to it. Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: San Diego, California	Although I love both movies, my vote had to go to Red October. There's nothing wrong with U-571. I actually own both of these, but I just prefer the story of Red October. __________________ "That could have been your head David." *Clarksville Monkees All-Time Record: 27-27-1* My Photos My DVDs My Blog

04-01-2002, 09:50 AM	#6 (permalink)
beckmen Actor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Fredonia, New York. USA.	Red October is the better movie, without a doubt. But the DVD is Bare-Bones and has a shoddy transfer. C'mon Paramount. Give us an SE with a NEW Anamorphic transfer and DTS. Plus, wonderful extras.

04-01-2002, 01:34 PM	#7 (permalink)
Daniel Shock Actor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Indianapolis, IN, USA	I think I would have to go outside the box and vote for Crimson Tide... __________________ Daniel Shock My DVD collection

04-01-2002, 01:45 PM	#8 (permalink)
markedouglas Actor Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Australia	HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER for: - scope - sexier subs (I would love to be on board a REAL 688(i)!!!!!) - Cold War - gotta love it!!! Just good all round action film. Well paced (unlike CRIMSON TIDE imho).

04-01-2002, 01:48 PM	#9 (permalink)
Rogue Actor Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Miami,FL USA	Hunt for Red October. I love that movie. U-571 and Crimson Tide were enjoyable but not in the same league IMHO. However, lets not forget that the best submarine movie ever is Das Boot. I don't own Red October yet because I was under the impression that the DVD isn't among the best (poor transfer, no extras). Am I wrong? Is there a special edition on the way? __________________ All that is gold does not glitter Not all those who wander are lost...

04-01-2002, 03:03 PM	#10 (permalink)
Damian My dad can beat up your dad. Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Mississippi	Between the two I prefer Hunt, but I'd choose Crimson Tide or either any day.

04-01-2002, 03:14 PM	#11 (permalink)
Filmmaker Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Jupiter and Beyond the Infinite	CRIMSON TIDE does indeed blow both out of the water (I've never had the pleasure of seeing DAS BOOT, because I'm holding out for the original 6 hour version), but of the two offered, I voted U-571, if for no other reason than its kinetic energy, which is completely lacking from the well-acted, but totally plodding and sluggish, RED OCTOBER... __________________ Ernest Hemingway once wrote, "The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part...Det. William Somerset, SE7EN www.dvdtracker.com/~filmmaker www.laserdisctracker.com/~filmmaker.asp www.cd-tracker.com/~filmmaker

04-01-2002, 03:54 PM	#12 (permalink)
tomdkat Official Forum Warmonger "Dial Tone" Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hayward, CA, USA	Thanks for the feedback guys. For those who mentioned Crimson Tide, I also like that movie VERY much and for me I thought it was about as intense as U-571 so I consider them to be about equal. Keep in mind that I don't think any movie is "better" than the other, only that Red October was more "intense" for me. I own all 3 movies and will have "sub marathons" where I will watch Red October (LD), then Crimson Tide (LD), and U-571 (DVD). At the end of this marathon, I'm usually pumped up and looking for the phone number of the US Navy.... (Of course, I then come to my senses and realize I'm not military material and spin more DVDs..... ) I have NOT seen Das Boot yet, but it IS on my list of must see DVDs... Peace..... __________________ My DVD Aficionado List "At last we shall reveal ourselves to the Jedi, at last we shall have revenge!"

04-01-2002, 04:11 PM	#13 (permalink)
*Istagi* Producer/Admin Speaks for himself Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha	I voted for Red October... U571 was mearly ok in my book, Crimson Tide was ok as well but my favorite sub movie. Das Boot - more of an audio experiance than a video one. A gritty war movie that glorifies nothing. Cramped conditions bad food just all around feeling of danger for the seamen...... The line from the captain telling the photographer to wait until the crew grew beards before taking pictures... says a lot about the whole movie. Brilliant film.... great disk. __________________ Chew, if only you could see what I've seen with your eyes Istagi's DVD's DDS 351

04-01-2002, 05:16 PM	#15 (permalink)
Indyphantom Forum Lothario Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: the black lodge...	The two of them combined can't match up to DAS BOOT...not the films and not the DVD's... __________________ My DVD List at DVD Aficionado

04-01-2002, 07:03 PM	#17 (permalink)
*Istagi* Producer/Admin Speaks for himself Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha	Das boot does not need DTS..... trust me Any sub movie pales when held next to Das Boot. I would list my favorite sub movies in this order Das Boot Hunt for Red October Crimson Tide U571 Oh BTW Das Boot is a flipper. __________________ Chew, if only you could see what I've seen with your eyes Istagi's DVD's DDS 351

04-01-2002, 09:55 PM	#20 (permalink)
tomdkat Official Forum Warmonger "Dial Tone" Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hayward, CA, USA	So, who is it who voted for the last option? Peace...... __________________ My DVD Aficionado List "At last we shall reveal ourselves to the Jedi, at last we shall have revenge!"

04-01-2002, 10:24 PM	#21 (permalink)
*Taxi* Administrator Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Orygun	Come on Tom, we all know it was you. I voted for Red October. It's not even close. (And Crimson Tide doesn't come close, either, IMHO.) __________________ *Admin Emeritus* \| DDS#42 No, I am not back. Eschew obfuscation.

04-01-2002, 10:46 PM	#22 (permalink)
Newbomb Turk Actor Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Downriver "Big Lake"	I agree, Red October is the one. Crimson Tide I rate second followed by U-571. All quite good though. The first 2 just happen to have 2 of my favorite actors also with Sean Connery and Denzel Washington, so maybe that's unfair. __________________ Uhhh......FRAH-JEE-LAY. That must be Italian!

04-01-2002, 10:51 PM	#23 (permalink)
Mr. McMinn I'm all out of bubblegum Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: --lying dead on the rooftop of Cable 54	I also voted for Red October. I remember when it came out in theaters and home video. It even had a 8-bit Nintendo game. I don't think Crimson Tide or U-571 ever had a video game to accompany them. Red October 4 life. (no NWO pun intended) __________________ Finally went Blu The Dark Tower

04-02-2002, 01:15 AM	#26 (permalink)
*1138* Producer/Admin Careful, or I'll ban myself... Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	Chalk up another Red October. Crimson Tide is a distant second, with U-571 an even more distant third. __________________ Administrator I got a rock and roll band. I got a rock and roll life. I got a rock and roll girlfriend. And another ex-wife.

04-02-2002, 01:53 AM	#27 (permalink)
John Yaya Actor Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Planet 10 aka: Long Island	easy pick for me...Hunt For Red October!!!...I'm still waiting for Paramount to reissue it as a Anamorphic SE Crimson Tide is a great sub flick too....is it even on DVD? I don't recall seeing it around...probably needs to be upgraded as well knowing that it's Disney/Touchstone/Hollywood film from the mid 90's. Das Boot obviously sits at the top of the list of Submarine thrillers we all live in a yellow submarine..yellow submarine..yellow submarine...........

04-02-2002, 08:53 PM	#28 (permalink)
Daniel Shock Actor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Indianapolis, IN, USA	Crimson Tide is on DVD, but I'm not sure if its anamorphic or not... __________________ Daniel Shock My DVD collection

04-02-2002, 08:58 PM	#29 (permalink)
No6PackJoe Actor Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada	Hunt for Red October, Connery is the man. __________________ No6PackJoe There's always a quicker and easier way to do it wrong.

04-02-2002, 09:01 PM	#30 (permalink)
Miggy The Thief Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Matthews, NC, USA	Must put Das Boots on my list of DVDs to watch one day.... Miggy, the Thief __________________ "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." - Ephesians 2:8, 9 Miggy's Land O' Wonder!

04-03-2002, 07:07 PM	#32 (permalink)
Kevin P Actor Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada	I agree with Istagi. I really didn't like the historical INaccuracy in U-571... it was the British who broke the code... and for the movie to play like the Americans did, and then to mention this alteration by stating the real facts at the end ... well it loses some points for that. But outside of that... I still think that RED OCTOBER along with CRIMSON TIDE are above U-571. Which has very good sound and a enjoyable story... even if inaccure. :-) Great idea... watching these SUB type movies!!

04-03-2002, 07:13 PM	#33 (permalink)
Kevin P Actor Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada	I agree with Istagi. I really didn't like the historical INaccuracy in U-571... it was the British who broke the code... and for the movie to play like the Americans did, and then to mention this alteration by stating the real facts at the end ... well it loses some points for that. But outside of that... I still think that RED OCTOBER along with CRIMSON TIDE are above U-571. Which has very good sound and a enjoyable story... even if inaccure. :-) Great idea... watching these SUB type movies!!

04-03-2002, 07:15 PM	#34 (permalink)
Kevin P Actor Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada	"Some things don't react too well to bullets" ... yeah me! :-)

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