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I 8 Piglet · 04-19-2002, 05:58 PM

If this should be in hardware I appologize.

Now that I have a receiver that is DD and DTS, I was looking for some stuff to try it out with. I got some good movie suggestions from Ravenous' thread, but I was looking at some of these DVD audio discs, and the DTS discs and I was wondering if any of you guys had any, and liked or dislike them. I was looking at the Eagles disk and there are two, one that is audio only and one that is the actually concert footage. Is there a diffrence in quality, or is there just unused space one the pure audio disc?

And a completly seperate question, when I was reading about DTS audio, I read that because of the neccessary extra bandwith for DTS, the DTS Saving Private Ryan is actually 20 min shorter than the DD version. Does anyone know if this is true?

I 8 Piglet · 04-19-2002, 06:59 PM

well I just found both versions of SPR on DVDexpress.com, and the run times are listed as 169min for DTS and 170min for DD, so I guess that guy didnt know what he was talking about, I am curious about that extra minute though.

Miggy · 04-19-2002, 07:21 PM

I 8 Piglet,

I have no experience with DVD audio, so I leave that question to someone else. But, I have owned both copies of SPR and I can say that the difference is the dts version does not have the special - "Into the Breech" I think it's called - to make room for the dts audio. I didn't compare running times before I gave the DD copy away, but I had watched both copies all the way through and it's the same running time as far I can remember.

Miggy, the Thief

Sid · 04-19-2002, 09:10 PM

Since DVD-Audio has no video track on it, the sound is simply put F*#KING KILLER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No need for picture with sound that good. Now all we need is more titles put out

DVDman70 · 04-20-2002, 02:06 AM

Ya I was at a Best Buy the other day and thought about picking up the Eagles and Metallica dvd audio cd's. Anyone have these? Are they worth picking up? I didn't see the one I was really looking for and that was Fleetwood Mac's Rumors. I love that album. I don't have DTS yet...but will be picking up my new receiver within the next couple of weeks. I only have DD right now.

Pyrosecht · 04-20-2002, 06:16 AM

The Metallica black albums is awesome. However, if you don't have an actual DVD-A player you are missing out on a lot. The DD and DTS tracks sound good but are nowhere near as good as the 96KHZ/24-bit DVD-A tracks. If you ever hear a 192KHZ/24-bit (you can get them through audiophile production companies) you will have an orgasm. I'm not kidding.

Volcane666 · 04-21-2002, 01:22 AM

I note that Sheryl Crow's "The Globe Sessions" is out on DTS cd, has anybody heard this (or any other DTS) CD?

Just wondering how it compares to DVD-A....

Pyrosecht · 04-21-2002, 02:46 AM

A DVD-A used in a DVD-A player (i.e. full resolution) will ALWAYS be better than any DTS CD. All DTS CDs as well as the DD and DTS tracks on a DVD-A (to make them backward compatible) use multiple channels of audio that are at best CD quality. Most DD and DTS soundtracks on DVD aren't even CD quality sound. They are slightly less. True DVD-A is a completely new way of listening to music.

Some people buy DVD-A discs and play them in any DVD player not realizing that they are not hearing the actual DVD-A version but instead are hearing a DD mix. The quickest way to know is if you are using a digital connection because all DVD-A players have to be connected to your receiver with analog outputs to access the full quality version. The DD tracks sucks compared to the DVD-A quality track.

I own about 20 DVD-A discs and can't wait to upgrade all my CDs as they become available on DVD-A and SACD. I urge everyone to demo DVD-A and SACD, nothing even comes close to it. The difference is night and day.

You might also want to look into multi-channel music a little bit more. A lot of the times the 2ch track is WAY better than the multi channel track. It all depends on how the engineer mixed it (most people can't stand the "band surrounds you" mix instead of having them in front of you and the rears being used for ambience). Most multi channel music forms assume that your surround speakers are an equal distance behind you as your fronts are in front of you (not to the side of you as DD does). This leads to the rears overpowering your mains. Then there is the fact that some of these formats assume that all of your speakers are full range (capable of producing 20hz to 20khz) and thus lack any bass management. Their are some quirks you have to know about before taking the plunge into multi channel music. I recommend a lot of research.

04-19-2002, 05:58 PM	#1 (permalink)
I 8 Piglet Actor Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: missing NYC hardcore :(	dvd dts audio If this should be in hardware I appologize. Now that I have a receiver that is DD and DTS, I was looking for some stuff to try it out with. I got some good movie suggestions from Ravenous' thread, but I was looking at some of these DVD audio discs, and the DTS discs and I was wondering if any of you guys had any, and liked or dislike them. I was looking at the Eagles disk and there are two, one that is audio only and one that is the actually concert footage. Is there a diffrence in quality, or is there just unused space one the pure audio disc? And a completly seperate question, when I was reading about DTS audio, I read that because of the neccessary extra bandwith for DTS, the DTS Saving Private Ryan is actually 20 min shorter than the DD version. Does anyone know if this is true?

04-19-2002, 07:21 PM	#3 (permalink)
Miggy The Thief Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Matthews, NC, USA	I 8 Piglet, I have no experience with DVD audio, so I leave that question to someone else. But, I have owned both copies of SPR and I can say that the difference is the dts version does not have the special - "Into the Breech" I think it's called - to make room for the dts audio. I didn't compare running times before I gave the DD copy away, but I had watched both copies all the way through and it's the same running time as far I can remember. Miggy, the Thief __________________ "Ah, nothing like a large black man wearing a suit jumping in your van to maintain your cover." - Vic Mackey --------------------------------------------- Miggy's Land O' Wonder

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Volcane666 Actor Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: U.K.	I note that Sheryl Crow's "The Globe Sessions" is out on DTS cd, has anybody heard this (or any other DTS) CD? Just wondering how it compares to DVD-A.... __________________ ------------------------------------------------ "The biggest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesn't exist!"

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04-19-2002, 06:59 PM	#2 (permalink)
I 8 Piglet Actor Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: missing NYC hardcore :(	well I just found both versions of SPR on DVDexpress.com, and the run times are listed as 169min for DTS and 170min for DD, so I guess that guy didnt know what he was talking about, I am curious about that extra minute though.

04-19-2002, 09:10 PM	#4 (permalink)
Sid Actor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Antioch, California, U.S.A.	Since DVD-Audio has no video track on it, the sound is simply put F*#KING KILLER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No need for picture with sound that good. Now all we need is more titles put out

04-20-2002, 02:06 AM	#5 (permalink)
DVDman70 Actor Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Illinois	Ya I was at a Best Buy the other day and thought about picking up the Eagles and Metallica dvd audio cd's. Anyone have these? Are they worth picking up? I didn't see the one I was really looking for and that was Fleetwood Mac's Rumors. I love that album. I don't have DTS yet...but will be picking up my new receiver within the next couple of weeks. I only have DD right now.

04-20-2002, 06:16 AM	#6 (permalink)
Pyrosecht Do not trade with this user Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Columbus, GA	The Metallica black albums is awesome. However, if you don't have an actual DVD-A player you are missing out on a lot. The DD and DTS tracks sound good but are nowhere near as good as the 96KHZ/24-bit DVD-A tracks. If you ever hear a 192KHZ/24-bit (you can get them through audiophile production companies) you will have an orgasm. I'm not kidding.

04-21-2002, 02:46 AM	#8 (permalink)
Pyrosecht Do not trade with this user Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Columbus, GA	A DVD-A used in a DVD-A player (i.e. full resolution) will ALWAYS be better than any DTS CD. All DTS CDs as well as the DD and DTS tracks on a DVD-A (to make them backward compatible) use multiple channels of audio that are at best CD quality. Most DD and DTS soundtracks on DVD aren't even CD quality sound. They are slightly less. True DVD-A is a completely new way of listening to music. Some people buy DVD-A discs and play them in any DVD player not realizing that they are not hearing the actual DVD-A version but instead are hearing a DD mix. The quickest way to know is if you are using a digital connection because all DVD-A players have to be connected to your receiver with analog outputs to access the full quality version. The DD tracks sucks compared to the DVD-A quality track. I own about 20 DVD-A discs and can't wait to upgrade all my CDs as they become available on DVD-A and SACD. I urge everyone to demo DVD-A and SACD, nothing even comes close to it. The difference is night and day. You might also want to look into multi-channel music a little bit more. A lot of the times the 2ch track is WAY better than the multi channel track. It all depends on how the engineer mixed it (most people can't stand the "band surrounds you" mix instead of having them in front of you and the rears being used for ambience). Most multi channel music forms assume that your surround speakers are an equal distance behind you as your fronts are in front of you (not to the side of you as DD does). This leads to the rears overpowering your mains. Then there is the fact that some of these formats assume that all of your speakers are full range (capable of producing 20hz to 20khz) and thus lack any bass management. Their are some quirks you have to know about before taking the plunge into multi channel music. I recommend a lot of research.