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Indyphantom · 11-13-2002, 03:58 PM

Which Christopher Lee performance released yesterday do you prefer? Saruman the White in LOTR:EE or Count Dooku in SW:AOTC?

I'll leave my pick and reactions until later tonight.

mlemmond · 11-13-2002, 04:22 PM

I liked his performance as Count Dooku the best

Prancer · 11-13-2002, 04:34 PM

OK, this was difficult and the more I thought about it the more difficult it was and then it finally was clear.

I prefer him as Saruman the White because of that long flowing white hair and he kicked Gandolf arse!!! I mean one to one Wizard action!

so there he wins! Easy.

Although, that whole light saber thing was cool but no, its the hair that did it for me!

**aintnosin** · 11-13-2002, 04:54 PM

As Dooku, he gets to ride a cool flying motorcycle...

...but he doesn't get to say, "You will taste man-flesh!"

Tie.

***SeanL*** · 11-13-2002, 04:57 PM

I too have to go with Dooku.

Jerm · 11-13-2002, 05:09 PM

It was a tough decision. But I went with Saruman, because that was the performance I saw first, and it was too easy to compare Dooku to Saruman after that.

C Roberts · 11-13-2002, 05:32 PM

I went with Saruman. Anyone could have played Dooku, but I can't think of anyone who'd have played Saruman better than Lee did.

Jerm · 11-13-2002, 06:03 PM

I was thinking more about this after I posted.
Let's compare the 2 characters.

They were both old and had white beards
They were both once trusted by the forces of good
They were both traitors
They both serve the Dark Lord
They both now hang out with cave dwelling creeps
They both are involved in building an army of evil
They both fight former allies

Differences:

Saruman chose a cool place like Orthanc to live
Dooku doesn't seem to have a home
Dooku got whooped by a muppet
Saruman owned Gandalf

Ravenous · 11-13-2002, 06:20 PM

Hell, Ive been calling Nov. 12 Cristopher Lee day for the past week!! How lucky does he feel to be a part of two of the biggest movie franchises ever. Too cool! He deserves it though.

I voted for Saruman. Naturally...

Prancer · 11-13-2002, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jerm
I was thinking more about this after I posted.
Let's compare the 2 characters.
They were both old and had white beards
They were both once trusted by the forces of good
They were both traitors
They both serve the Dark Lord
They both now hang out with cave dwelling creeps
They both are involved in building an army of evil
They both fight former allies
Differences:
Saruman chose a cool place like Orthanc to live
Dooku doesn't seem to have a home
Dooku got whooped by a muppet

Saruman owned Gandalf

WOW! Jerm! Dude!

that is way cool analysis!!!

That is why Samuran is the winner, plus the long white hair!

stream3 · 11-13-2002, 06:52 PM

you forget in the end sarumon becomes the lowest of the low.

Jerm · 11-13-2002, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by stream3
you forget in the end sarumon becomes the lowest of the low.

Yeah, but Dooku will probably be taken out by a punk kid...that's pretty low.

Keith · 11-13-2002, 07:20 PM

I enjoyed both performances a lot..but I have to go w/Saruman. The role was much meatier and he had a ton more screentime. Christopher Lee is a certified, card carrying bad ass.

Indyphantom · 11-13-2002, 07:48 PM

I went with Saruman also, for many of the reasons above. Still, it was a close call. I personally love the battle with Yoda, but for pure weight and intensity, his LORT character is genius.

Jerm · 11-13-2002, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Indyphantom
his LORT character

LORT...is that like Lord of the Ring Thingie?

sub780lime · 11-13-2002, 08:35 PM

LOTR, atleast they didnt have to paste anyone elses face on some else

Prancer · 11-13-2002, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jerm
LORT...is that like Lord of the Ring Thingie?

Jerm · 11-13-2002, 10:08 PM

C Roberts said that anyone could play Dooku...I don't know about that.
While yes, it is true he was perfect for Saruman, and that's why he was chosen for the part.
Dooku was created for him. After he signed on, the sith lord character changed. It was originally supposed to be an alien (Kit Fisto, I think). So that part was made for Lee. But it took the actor to portray Saruman.
Either way, he did great in both movies.

tomdkat · 11-13-2002, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Indyphantom
Which Christopher Lee performance released yesterday do you prefer? Saruman the White in LOTR:EE or Count Dooku in SW:AOTC?

Damn! Why did you have to ask such a hard question?

I guess I liked BOTH characters equally, but it's been SOOO long since I've seen AotC that I need to watch the DVD to refresh my memory of Dooku.

I'll be casting my official vote later...

Peace.....

***Istagi*** · 11-13-2002, 10:56 PM

I would have to go with Saruman.

He played a much bigger role in LOTR and in AOTC.

BTW my wife did not believe that Lee was in both movies

jdurg · 11-14-2002, 03:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ravenous
Hell, Ive been calling Nov. 12 Cristopher Lee day for the past week!! How lucky does he feel to be a part of two of the biggest movie franchises ever. Too cool! He deserves it though.

I voted for Saruman. Naturally...

Christopher Lee is an amazing actor. How many actors can say that they played large roles in a James Bond movie (The Man With The Golden Gun, Lee was Scaramanga), Star Wars (Count Dooku), and Lord of the Rings (Saruman The White). That's an impressive resume right there!

boddah · 11-14-2002, 03:37 AM

I went with Saruman. I just can't get past the hilarity of a name like "Dooku" enough to really get into the character. I kept thinking "Heh, Dooku." Plus, Lee's Saruman performance was spot on.

Jerm, another comparison could be that both Saruman and Dooku have Freudian accesories. (Dooku's bent sabre, and Saruman's ball)

MooglePorn · 11-14-2002, 03:43 AM

I'm actually going to go with Star Wars' Dooku. He had more acting to do in that one I thought, whereas he had more of a bit part in LOTR. Maybe he's in Two Towers more, I dunno. Both were great performances though.

mtcarmel00 · 11-14-2002, 03:43 AM

I'm going to vote for Lee as Saruman. I liked him in both roles a lot, but he made LOTR (something I had no exposure to prior to the film) enjoyable for me. He's definitely a great actor.

***1138*** · 11-14-2002, 03:58 AM

Dooku.

I don't like the subtle changes to Saruman in the movie version. I wanted the more lusting for the power third wheel feel than the wussy bowing servant one.

Morticia · 11-14-2002, 04:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Keith
Christopher Lee is a certified, card carrying bad ass.

Keith, you are not kidding! Add his impressive resume in the Hammer Horror stable (Dracula, anyone?) and that dude's body of work is just astounding.

That said, I'll give it to Saruman. Character changes aside, it's the hair, like Prancer said! Oh, and the evil nose...

MrTony · 11-14-2002, 04:21 AM

I went with Dooku in a very close call. Of course, I just watched AOTC today and that may have influenced me. Funny, since I watched FOTR yestarday. Dammit, I'd better watch them again...

Satoshi · 11-14-2002, 05:01 AM

Tough call, but in the end I went for Saruman. The hair is cooler plus I just love that gleam in Saruman's eyes when he's talking to Gandalf about Sauron, way cool!

The Limey · 11-14-2002, 07:49 AM

If we are going on the power displayed by both characters in both films, then for me Dooku wins hands down! I mean he more than held his own against Yoda,the master of the force, right? RIGHT? Plus, according to my missus, there's "an alluring sexuality" about Dooku, whereas Saruman "just aint one for the ladies" - her words not mine!

No brainer, the Count kicks Sarumans arse and rides off with the dolly bird, although the less said about his bent saber handle the better!

keiths · 11-14-2002, 08:21 AM

****POSSIBLE SPOILERS****

you never know who is reading

For me it has to be Saruman all the way.

Don't get me wrong, Dooku kicks the ass of 2 Jedi's, holds off a midget (ain't easy fighting a midget, you try hitting low like that) and then makes his getaway. But he doesnt have the insane maniacal badass appeal that Saruman does.

And sure Dooku has a lightsaber, but the handle is bent. Who wants a bent dildo of a saber?

Saruman has a huge stick!!!!

Nuff' said

keiths · 11-14-2002, 08:44 AM

you tell me who the bigger bad ass is

old man behind the wheel

keiths · 11-14-2002, 08:44 AM

or

crazy grampa who always hits you with his cane

Prancer · 11-14-2002, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by keiths
or

crazy grampa who always hits you with his cane

Rogue · 11-14-2002, 06:30 PM

Saruman.

Lee brings alot of class and charm to AOTC. Dooku is a fine villian. But we see far too little of him.

Saruman is all over the place and he is chilling. When you look at his close up during the duel with Gandalf and you see blood running down his face, he looked like a deranged Christ figure. Really unsettling. And c'mon, the guy was controling the very forces of nature against the heroes in LOTR. A great, great villian. (Although, as a fan of the book, I know where 1138 is coming from)

sub780lime · 11-14-2002, 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jdurg
Christopher Lee is an amazing actor. How many actors can say that they played large roles in a James Bond movie (The Man With The Golden Gun, Lee was Scaramanga), Star Wars (Count Dooku), and Lord of the Rings (Saruman The White). That's an impressive resume right there!

and dont forget being Dracula or Ramses in Moses, or Sherlock Holmes

Rogue · 11-15-2002, 03:32 AM

Man...Saruman is kicking some serious ass here.

redshifter · 11-15-2002, 03:43 AM

putting aside fotr's cinematic superiority to aotc, and lee's larger role in fotr, i still vote for saruman--mainly because lee gave the character such an incredible voice.

winter_crow · 11-15-2002, 07:57 PM

Saruman wins this one hands down. (though his (or at least his digital self) fight scenes in AOTC were better).

JasonKurtz · 11-15-2002, 08:59 PM

[nerd]

I think though, that its safe to say that Dooku would kick Saruman's ass in a fight.

[/nerd]

Rogue · 11-15-2002, 09:30 PM

[geek]

Dooku kick Saruman's ass? My friend, Saruman is a lesser deity. An immortal spirit. You have no idea of what thou speaketh.

[/geek]

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11-13-2002, 03:58 PM	#1 (permalink)
Indyphantom Forum Lothario Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: the black lodge...	Saruman vs. Dooku (Christopher Lee poll) Which Christopher Lee performance released yesterday do you prefer? Saruman the White in LOTR:EE or Count Dooku in SW:AOTC? I'll leave my pick and reactions until later tonight. __________________ My DVD List at DVD Aficionado

11-13-2002, 04:34 PM	#3 (permalink)
Prancer Actor Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Baltimore, MD-USA	OK, this was difficult and the more I thought about it the more difficult it was and then it finally was clear. I prefer him as Saruman the White because of that long flowing white hair and he kicked Gandolf arse!!! I mean one to one Wizard action! so there he wins! Easy. Although, that whole light saber thing was cool but no, its the hair that did it for me! __________________ "I hope that when the world ends, I can breathe a sigh of relief because there will be so much to look forward to…”

11-13-2002, 04:54 PM	#4 (permalink)
aintnosin Director/Moderator Not a fancy tickler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: People's Republik of Kalifornia	As Dooku, he gets to ride a cool flying motorcycle... ...but he doesn't get to say, "You will taste man-flesh!" Tie. __________________ "The women of this country learned long ago, those without swords can still die upon them." - Eowyn, The Two Towers DVD Profiler \| DVD Aficianado \| DVD Spot \| Movie Reviews \| Facebook

11-13-2002, 04:57 PM	#5 (permalink)
*SeanL* Producer/Admin Got BMG? Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NW Florida	I too have to go with Dooku. __________________ Forum Administrator "You can never go home again, Oatman... but I guess you can shop there."

11-13-2002, 04:22 PM	#2 (permalink)
mlemmond Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Charlotte, NC	I liked his performance as Count Dooku the best

11-13-2002, 05:09 PM	#6 (permalink)
Jerm Moderator Emeritus Magical Hall Monitor Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In my house	It was a tough decision. But I went with Saruman, because that was the performance I saw first, and it was too easy to compare Dooku to Saruman after that. __________________ "All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us."

11-13-2002, 05:32 PM	#7 (permalink)
C Roberts Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Multiple Account Ban	I went with Saruman. Anyone could have played Dooku, but I can't think of anyone who'd have played Saruman better than Lee did.

11-13-2002, 06:03 PM	#8 (permalink)
Jerm Moderator Emeritus Magical Hall Monitor Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In my house	I was thinking more about this after I posted. Let's compare the 2 characters. They were both old and had white beards They were both once trusted by the forces of good They were both traitors They both serve the Dark Lord They both now hang out with cave dwelling creeps They both are involved in building an army of evil They both fight former allies Differences: Saruman chose a cool place like Orthanc to live Dooku doesn't seem to have a home Dooku got whooped by a muppet Saruman owned Gandalf __________________ "All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us."

11-13-2002, 06:20 PM	#9 (permalink)
Ravenous Actor Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: San Antonio. TX	Hell, Ive been calling Nov. 12 Cristopher Lee day for the past week!! How lucky does he feel to be a part of two of the biggest movie franchises ever. Too cool! He deserves it though. I voted for Saruman. Naturally... __________________ Eat Me! Damn, way too many DVDs

11-13-2002, 06:52 PM	#11 (permalink)
stream3 Supporting Actor Join Date: Nov 2002	you forget in the end sarumon becomes the lowest of the low.

11-13-2002, 07:20 PM	#13 (permalink)
Keith Actor Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The pit of the Peach State	I enjoyed both performances a lot..but I have to go w/Saruman. The role was much meatier and he had a ton more screentime. Christopher Lee is a certified, card carrying bad ass. __________________ People scare better when they're dying.

11-13-2002, 07:48 PM	#14 (permalink)
Indyphantom Forum Lothario Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: the black lodge...	I went with Saruman also, for many of the reasons above. Still, it was a close call. I personally love the battle with Yoda, but for pure weight and intensity, his LORT character is genius. __________________ My DVD List at DVD Aficionado

11-13-2002, 08:35 PM	#16 (permalink)
sub780lime Can't Spell Bilbo Join Date: May 2002 Location: A Galaxy Far Far Away	LOTR, atleast they didnt have to paste anyone elses face on some else __________________ love comes and goes, but an avatar . . . that's forever. - Pirate

11-13-2002, 10:08 PM	#18 (permalink)
Jerm Moderator Emeritus Magical Hall Monitor Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In my house	C Roberts said that anyone could play Dooku...I don't know about that. While yes, it is true he was perfect for Saruman, and that's why he was chosen for the part. Dooku was created for him. After he signed on, the sith lord character changed. It was originally supposed to be an alien (Kit Fisto, I think). So that part was made for Lee. But it took the actor to portray Saruman. Either way, he did great in both movies. __________________ "All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us."

11-13-2002, 10:56 PM	#20 (permalink)
*Istagi* Producer/Admin Speaks for himself Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha	I would have to go with Saruman. He played a much bigger role in LOTR and in AOTC. BTW my wife did not believe that Lee was in both movies __________________ Chew, if only you could see what I've seen with your eyes Istagi's DVD's DDS 351

11-14-2002, 03:37 AM	#22 (permalink)
boddah Actor Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Seattle	I went with Saruman. I just can't get past the hilarity of a name like "Dooku" enough to really get into the character. I kept thinking "Heh, Dooku." Plus, Lee's Saruman performance was spot on. Jerm, another comparison could be that both Saruman and Dooku have Freudian accesories. (Dooku's bent sabre, and Saruman's ball)

11-14-2002, 03:43 AM	#23 (permalink)
MooglePorn Actor Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Philadelphia, PA	I'm actually going to go with Star Wars' Dooku. He had more acting to do in that one I thought, whereas he had more of a bit part in LOTR. Maybe he's in Two Towers more, I dunno. Both were great performances though.

11-14-2002, 03:43 AM	#24 (permalink)
mtcarmel00 Wholesome. Actor. Get used to it. Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: San Diego, California	I'm going to vote for Lee as Saruman. I liked him in both roles a lot, but he made LOTR (something I had no exposure to prior to the film) enjoyable for me. He's definitely a great actor. __________________ "That could have been your head David." *Clarksville Monkees All-Time Record: 27-27-1* My Photos My DVDs My Blog

11-14-2002, 03:58 AM	#25 (permalink)
*1138* Producer/Admin Careful, or I'll ban myself... Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	Dooku. I don't like the subtle changes to Saruman in the movie version. I wanted the more lusting for the power third wheel feel than the wussy bowing servant one. __________________ Administrator I got a rock and roll band. I got a rock and roll life. I got a rock and roll girlfriend. And another ex-wife.

11-14-2002, 04:21 AM	#27 (permalink)
MrTony Forum Wise Guy Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Waterloo, Iowa, USA	I went with Dooku in a very close call. Of course, I just watched AOTC today and that may have influenced me. Funny, since I watched FOTR yestarday. Dammit, I'd better watch them again... __________________ Prevent tornadoes before they happen: Make sure that warm, moist air fronts do not converge with cool, dry ones. Movies, Music and a few Games My Top 20 Films

11-14-2002, 05:01 AM	#28 (permalink)
Satoshi Actor Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Texas	Tough call, but in the end I went for Saruman. The hair is cooler plus I just love that gleam in Saruman's eyes when he's talking to Gandalf about Sauron, way cool! __________________ My Dvds Last edited by Satoshi : 11-14-2002 at 05:46 PM.

11-14-2002, 07:49 AM	#29 (permalink)
The Limey Actor Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: London , England	If we are going on the power displayed by both characters in both films, then for me Dooku wins hands down! I mean he more than held his own against Yoda,the master of the force, right? RIGHT? Plus, according to my missus, there's "an alluring sexuality" about Dooku, whereas Saruman "just aint one for the ladies" - her words not mine! No brainer, the Count kicks Sarumans arse and rides off with the dolly bird, although the less said about his bent saber handle the better! __________________ My Blu-Ray Collection Last edited by The Limey : 11-14-2002 at 11:28 AM.

11-14-2002, 08:21 AM	#30 (permalink)
keiths Actor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Flushing, NY	**POSSIBLE SPOILERS** you never know who is reading For me it has to be Saruman all the way. Don't get me wrong, Dooku kicks the ass of 2 Jedi's, holds off a midget (ain't easy fighting a midget, you try hitting low like that) and then makes his getaway. But he doesnt have the insane maniacal badass appeal that Saruman does. And sure Dooku has a lightsaber, but the handle is bent. Who wants a bent dildo of a saber? Saruman has a huge stick!!!! Nuff' said __________________ My Dvd Collection

11-14-2002, 06:30 PM	#34 (permalink)
Rogue Actor Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Miami,FL USA	Saruman. Lee brings alot of class and charm to AOTC. Dooku is a fine villian. But we see far too little of him. Saruman is all over the place and he is chilling. When you look at his close up during the duel with Gandalf and you see blood running down his face, he looked like a deranged Christ figure. Really unsettling. And c'mon, the guy was controling the very forces of nature against the heroes in LOTR. A great, great villian. (Although, as a fan of the book, I know where 1138 is coming from) __________________ All that is gold does not glitter Not all those who wander are lost...

11-15-2002, 03:32 AM	#36 (permalink)
Rogue Actor Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Miami,FL USA	Man...Saruman is kicking some serious ass here. __________________ All that is gold does not glitter Not all those who wander are lost...

11-15-2002, 03:43 AM	#37 (permalink)
redshifter Actor Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: the emerald city	putting aside fotr's cinematic superiority to aotc, and lee's larger role in fotr, i still vote for saruman--mainly because lee gave the character such an incredible voice. __________________ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ Did you ever hear of "The Seattle Seven"? That was me... and six other guys.

11-15-2002, 07:57 PM	#38 (permalink)
winter_crow Supporting Actor Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Canada	Saruman wins this one hands down. (though his (or at least his digital self) fight scenes in AOTC were better).

11-15-2002, 08:59 PM	#39 (permalink)
JasonKurtz Actor Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vancouver	[nerd] I think though, that its safe to say that Dooku would kick Saruman's ass in a fight. [/nerd] __________________ My DVD List

11-15-2002, 09:30 PM	#40 (permalink)
Rogue Actor Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Miami,FL USA	[geek] Dooku kick Saruman's ass? My friend, Saruman is a lesser deity. An immortal spirit. You have no idea of what thou speaketh. [/geek] __________________ All that is gold does not glitter Not all those who wander are lost...

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