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falconer · 05-14-2003, 12:02 AM

OK, whenever I watch a DVD there is always at least one time in my movie when it stops for a split second. Usually between scenes. Its almost un-noticeable but it is frustrating when i watch a movie and it pauses very breifly.

Does this happen on all DVDs, if so what is it?

LemJe · 05-14-2003, 12:07 AM

It sounds like a layer change

JeffHanawalt · 05-14-2003, 12:09 AM

It's the layer change. Almost all DVDs today have that
pause when the laser switches to read the other layer
of information. Some DVDs have the switch over between
scenes and it's not noticeable, but other DVDs have the
pause during a scene, which is frustrating because it
is laziness on the studio's part.

Morticia · 05-14-2003, 12:09 AM

Sounds like your player is pausing at the layer switch. Check your DVDs to see if they are all 'dual-layer' DVDs. Most will have a 'warning' saying "the layer transition will trigger a slight pause" or some such.

It's normal. Some players are better at 'handling' the layer switch than others.

MrTony · 05-14-2003, 12:15 AM

Speaking of layer changes, Standing In the Shadows Of Motown has the worst layer change ever. It's in the middle of a line of dialogue. And my player is one of the ones that handles layer changes rather well. It sucks. A lot.

Avid · 05-14-2003, 12:36 AM

I dig layer changes. :p

I'd rather have my film spread over more bit space than have it crammed onto one layer, or have to share a disk with a P&S version.

Besides I miss the reel change marks that are on film; I consider the DVD pause a digital reel change.

videoworx · 05-14-2003, 01:06 AM

if the layer changes bug you, use a Denon 1600 player, it has a 4 meg buffer that kills most layer change delays. Software-based DVD players (powerdvd, windvd, etc) also buffer ahead so you never see the layer change.

sub780lime · 05-14-2003, 01:45 AM

now that you know what they are, you get to play that fun game, "Find That Layer Change" i rather enjoy thinking back on a movie after i just watched and seeing how obvious the layer change is, because they are sort of annoying and some companies just cant seem to do it at a good time-like right in the middle of some dialogue

superwombat · 05-14-2003, 04:12 AM

I call it:

"Please flip the tape"

videoworx · 05-14-2003, 05:02 AM

Quote:

"Please flip the tape"

In Europe (especially Holland, where I grew up), we had a 1/2" video tape format called VIDEO 2000, which competed with VHS and Betamax. The cool thing was you COULD flip it (and thus fit twice the amount of information on it). The disadvantage was that the video content only took up 1/4" of the tape for each side, reducing the quality to something that resembled EP VHS (which didn't exist yet)...and this was before HQ heads...oh well, another failed Philips tape format that went nowhere...

anyway, back on track - Enemy of the State has the worst layer change I've ever scene, right in the middle of a high speed shot.

NotaNumber · 05-14-2003, 05:53 AM

Then of course there are LaserDiscs, which in single sided players you have to flip the disc every 30 or 60 minutes depending on the format (CLV vs CAV). Not to mention having to change the disc after both sides were played.

The layer change pause of DVDs is insignificant when compared to this.

sub780lime · 05-14-2003, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by NotaNumber
Then of course there are LaserDiscs, which in single sided players you have to flip the disc every 30 or 60 minutes depending on the format (CLV vs CAV). Not to mention having to change the disc after both sides were played.

The layer change pause of DVDs is insignificant when compared to this.

now how do the players where you dont have to flip the disc work, are their eyes on both sides of teh inside of the player

MooglePorn · 05-14-2003, 11:24 AM

I had a pretty good Panasonic $400 player at my apartment that was horrible with layer changes... long ones... Now I use my Mother's cheap-ass GE $75 player, and it does them rather well. Much better actually.

I just find it funny that quality obviously has no bearing...

NotaNumber · 05-14-2003, 12:11 PM

Since the laser pickup is usually the single most expensive component, almost all of the two sided LD players have only one pickup. The pickup moves to the neutral position, flips the head over, and reverses the spin on the disc.

As I recall Pioneer had a two drawer player, but I don't recall if it was two-sided also.

Damian · 05-14-2003, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sub780lime
now how do the players where you dont have to flip the disc work, are their eyes on both sides of teh inside of the player

No I think the laser pickup itself turns over. When my laserdisc is changing sides you can here the mechanism moving around inside as it flips over.

bembol · 05-14-2003, 12:14 PM

I never noticed any layer change on my Sony DVP-S3000. I learned about them when I purchased my second DVD player (Sony DVP-C670D 5-DVD changer).

Nyarlathotep · 05-14-2003, 08:51 PM

My XBOX handled layer changes almost perfectly, as did my old Panasonic A100. Unfortunately, both of them started to have trouble reading DVDs, so now I've got a multiregion JVC XV-S502, which handles layer changes very poorly.

05-14-2003, 12:02 AM	#1 (permalink)
falconer banned for multiple accounts and being a troll Join Date: Feb 2003	stopping during my movies OK, whenever I watch a DVD there is always at least one time in my movie when it stops for a split second. Usually between scenes. Its almost un-noticeable but it is frustrating when i watch a movie and it pauses very breifly. Does this happen on all DVDs, if so what is it?

05-14-2003, 12:07 AM	#2 (permalink)
LemJe Actor Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Kernersville, NC, USA	It sounds like a layer change __________________ Get busy living......or get busy dying. My Little Collection

05-14-2003, 12:09 AM	#4 (permalink)
Morticia Administrator Emeritus Film Class Goddess Part-Time PRN Princess Panty Thief Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Devil's Point. Burn baby burn!	Sounds like your player is pausing at the layer switch. Check your DVDs to see if they are all 'dual-layer' DVDs. Most will have a 'warning' saying "the layer transition will trigger a slight pause" or some such. It's normal. Some players are better at 'handling' the layer switch than others. __________________ Nope, you really haven't lived until you've fed a naked Fire Dancer a S'more...cooked from her own flaming baton. I reject your reality and substitute my own! "Freeze dried moles. Price as marked." -- Nixon, Suicide Girl

05-14-2003, 12:15 AM	#5 (permalink)
MrTony Forum Wise Guy Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Waterloo, Iowa, USA	Speaking of layer changes, Standing In the Shadows Of Motown has the worst layer change ever. It's in the middle of a line of dialogue. And my player is one of the ones that handles layer changes rather well. It sucks. A lot. __________________ Prevent tornadoes before they happen: Make sure that warm, moist air fronts do not converge with cool, dry ones. Movies, Music and a few Games My Top 20 Films

05-14-2003, 12:36 AM	#6 (permalink)
Avid Actor Join Date: Nov 2001	I dig layer changes. :p I'd rather have my film spread over more bit space than have it crammed onto one layer, or have to share a disk with a P&S version. Besides I miss the reel change marks that are on film; I consider the DVD pause a digital reel change. __________________ OAR or :barf:

05-14-2003, 12:09 AM	#3 (permalink)
JeffHanawalt Insert Avatar Here Join Date: Aug 2002	It's the layer change. Almost all DVDs today have that pause when the laser switches to read the other layer of information. Some DVDs have the switch over between scenes and it's not noticeable, but other DVDs have the pause during a scene, which is frustrating because it is laziness on the studio's part.

05-14-2003, 01:06 AM	#7 (permalink)
videoworx Would Make a Good Incubus Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: nowhere near Nebraska	if the layer changes bug you, use a Denon 1600 player, it has a 4 meg buffer that kills most layer change delays. Software-based DVD players (powerdvd, windvd, etc) also buffer ahead so you never see the layer change. __________________ And let’s not forget the fact that Tron turned the Frisbee into an instrument of righteous smiting.

05-14-2003, 01:45 AM	#8 (permalink)
sub780lime Can't Spell Bilbo Join Date: May 2002 Location: A Galaxy Far Far Away	now that you know what they are, you get to play that fun game, "Find That Layer Change" i rather enjoy thinking back on a movie after i just watched and seeing how obvious the layer change is, because they are sort of annoying and some companies just cant seem to do it at a good time-like right in the middle of some dialogue __________________ love comes and goes, but an avatar . . . that's forever. - Pirate

05-14-2003, 04:12 AM	#9 (permalink)
superwombat Custom User Title Whore Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: {----+----}	I call it: "Please flip the tape"

05-14-2003, 05:53 AM	#11 (permalink)
NotaNumber I paid for this! Join Date: May 2002	Then of course there are LaserDiscs, which in single sided players you have to flip the disc every 30 or 60 minutes depending on the format (CLV vs CAV). Not to mention having to change the disc after both sides were played. The layer change pause of DVDs is insignificant when compared to this.

05-14-2003, 11:24 AM	#13 (permalink)
MooglePorn Actor Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Philadelphia, PA	I had a pretty good Panasonic $400 player at my apartment that was horrible with layer changes... long ones... Now I use my Mother's cheap-ass GE $75 player, and it does them rather well. Much better actually. I just find it funny that quality obviously has no bearing...

05-14-2003, 12:11 PM	#14 (permalink)
NotaNumber I paid for this! Join Date: May 2002	Since the laser pickup is usually the single most expensive component, almost all of the two sided LD players have only one pickup. The pickup moves to the neutral position, flips the head over, and reverses the spin on the disc. As I recall Pioneer had a two drawer player, but I don't recall if it was two-sided also.

05-14-2003, 12:14 PM	#16 (permalink)
bembol Actor Join Date: May 2002 Location: gta\|brampton	I never noticed any layer change on my Sony DVP-S3000. I learned about them when I purchased my second DVD player (Sony DVP-C670D 5-DVD changer).

05-14-2003, 08:51 PM	#17 (permalink)
Nyarlathotep Actor Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: So. Cal.	My XBOX handled layer changes almost perfectly, as did my old Panasonic A100. Unfortunately, both of them started to have trouble reading DVDs, so now I've got a multiregion JVC XV-S502, which handles layer changes very poorly. __________________ The Crawling Chaos' DVDs and favorite movies.

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