Matrix:Reloaded rushing to DVD?

[herald miffkin]

The rumor is that due to the high quality bootleg that has hit the net and a decreasing interest at the box office, there will be a rushed DVD release as soon as June. Who knows how true this is, but it does make sense given the situation. I am no fan of the film, but I am sure many of you will be interested in this info.

[Shifty]

I highly doubt they'll release it within the next 30 days.

[FurryHumanBeing]

Originally posted by Shifty
I highly doubt they'll release it within the next 30 days.

Agreed. When said like that, it's more unbelievable. Although I could see them maybe pushing the release up since it's not going to be around for as long as they had hoped.

[SeanL]

Yeah, I seriously doubt they'd release the movie within the next 30 days...even the next 90 days really. While the box office returns appear to be falling short of what some industry insiders were expecting, it is far from a disappointment. I expect to see "Reloaded" released close to when "Revolutions" hits theaters.

[JFelix]

Originally posted by herald miffkin
The rumor is that due to the high quality bootleg that has hit the net and a decreasing interest at the box office, there will be a rushed DVD release as soon as June. Who knows how true this is, but it does make sense given the situation. I am no fan of the film, but I am sure many of you will be interested in this info.

The quality isn't THAT good.

...

Okay, it looks good on my stand alone DVD Player.


But a high quality near-screener copy does not a good film make!

[JakeLipson]

A few weeks before Warner debuted Reloaded in theaters, I heard a rumor on Davis DVD that WHV is targeting (Friday) 10.3.03 for the DVD and I think that's realistic.

[tomdkat]

Speaking of this DVD, my brother told me he noticed credit was given to the DVD authoring cmopany in the closing credits of the movie. Maybe they've already got a DVD just "looming" in the wings......

Did anyone else catch that?

Peace...

[tomdkat]

Originally posted by JFelix
Okay, it looks good on my stand alone DVD Player.

Shame on you!!!!!

Peace....

[JFelix]

Originally posted by tomdkat
Shame on you!!!!!

Peace....

Hey, it's not like they were going to get my money in the first place, and I was forced to watch it by a friend, otherwise I wouldn't have watched it, therefore it's not like they lost a ticket sale out of it! AND THAT CONCLUDES MY RIDICULOUS SEMI-LOGIC!

[JdW]

Matrix: Reloaded is an amazing film - deal with it. People who say the film had no plot simply cannot understand the philosophy of it and how it deals with existentialism - rewatch the scene with the architecht, its fucking brillaint. And I dont have to mention how awesome the fighting and the SFX are!! Sure "The Matrix" was better, but Relaoded is still awesome and it leaves Revolutions with alot to close up... like the existence of mankind!! It's gonna be awesome

[JFelix]

Originally posted by JdW
Matrix: Reloaded is an amazing film - deal with it. People who say the film had no plot simply cannot understand the philosophy of it and how it deals with existentialism - rewatch the scene with the architecht, its fucking brillaint.

I won't deal with it, it's not amazing. It has plot, and sure it has 'philosophy', however it's simple fortune-cookie philosophy that's been used over and over again in the past, it's nothing new but people sure are raving about it as if it was new. It's been done before, it's been done before, it's been done before.

As for the scene with the architecht, it's a fun idea IN CONCEPT, but if they were to carry out that plot line, it would be an absolute cop-out plot-wise. It just wouldn't work. It would be copping out on everything that was laid out to begin with, which wasn't that intersting in the first place.

As for the special effects, sure they're nice, but it's absolute over-kill, to the point it has become a parody of itself. Slowing the action down is amusing the first 2 or 3 times. Repeating it 500 times during every action scene is repetitive and boring.

Plus I'm not impressed when it went totally CG for battle scenes, it's obvious (Though an improvement on digital stuntmen) and silly- how CAN I be impressed when something is 100% digital? Though the Digital Stuntmen acting impressed me more than the human acting, which seemed to try and out-wooden all the 'Star Wars' movies combined.

Not to mention the greenscreens- these are so obvious they should be placed in a Sega CD video game, except you don't have the addition of Dana Plato in a whipped cream bikini top.

Ah. 'Question reality' movies. They're out-ranking 'It was only a dream' movies in craptacularity.

...however, I still demand a slice of orgasm cake

[Paul.n3w]

A rip online no matter WHAT quality, will in no way effect how fast a movie comes to dvd. For you to get a rip that is even comparable in the least to a dvd it has to be at least a 2cd (1.5 gigs), which not enough people have access to to make a difference at the box office. (My ex-roommate had a 3 gig version of LOTR:FOTR which was very nice.. but it's not worth it... I'd rather pay the money to just see it again or wait for the DVD)

As for the 'decreasing intrest' at the box office... It's a big blockbuster movie. That opened with record numbers. Everyone who wanted to see it has seen it, and only the real fans and some stragglers are still seeing it. Big movies have big openings and then die off while surprise hits like My Big Fat Greek wedding slowly get bigger and bigger as time goes on.

The rumor is just a rumor probably started by the same guy who tells you that AOL will start charging for AIM next week if you don't send this message to 900 people!@$#&:p

[SeanL]

JDW & JFelix this is not the place to debate "Matrix: Reloaded". This thread is for discussion of the movie.

Let's keep it on topic.

[JdW]

It is at this point irrelevent where the debate is.

[valar12]

what felix said

[SeanL]

Originally posted by JdW
It is at this point irrelevent where the debate is.

Really?

Well ya know... I thought I was... wait a sec,*looks at title. Just as I thought *I* am the moderator.


This thread is not the place for discussing the merits of the movie. Period.

[Indyphantom]

I haven't seen it because I know this is one that is going to look and sound waaaay better on DVD and that's how I'm going to experience it first.

[JdW]

theater>DVD

[downhuman]

Originally posted by JFelix
I won't deal with it, it's not amazing. It has plot, and sure it has 'philosophy', however it's simple fortune-cookie philosophy that's been used over and over again in the past, it's nothing new but people sure are raving about it as if it was new. It's been done before, it's been done before, it's been done before.

Of course it's been used before. In fact, the philosophy behind choice and consequence is at the core of just about every great hero epic to be committed to film. I think the Wachowskis realized this and also realize that there is just no way around it. Their attempt to make it fresh by bringing it to the forefront of the movie is commendable if admittedly just a bit heavy-handed.

As for the scene with the architecht, it's a fun idea IN CONCEPT, but if they were to carry out that plot line, it would be an absolute cop-out plot-wise. It just wouldn't work. It would be copping out on everything that was laid out to begin with, which wasn't that intersting in the first place.

What!!?? Cop-out how? There was only really one thing that the conversation with the Architect "copped-out" on and that just happened to be the one thing from the first movie that didn't fit:

Spoiler (Highlight or Triple Click to Read):

"The Prophecy" It didn't make sense that just one person would ever have ability to affect the Matrix the way Neo can. In fact, it's alluded to in the first movie when Morpheus speaks of the one who "freed the first of us". A rare individual? yes...a messiah?... no. I'm surprised Neo didn't say something like "If I'm so special and unique, how come there has already been someone like me?" The revelations from the Architect just showed that the machines were smart enough to realize that the inherent spirituality of some humans could be used against them while in turn helping the machines to create a more "perfect" Matrix, thus the creation of the program called "the Oracle" and her prophecy. If anything, it made the situation seem incredibly more dire for the resistance, especially Morpheus. Watching him at the end when he realizes that the Prophecy was a lie intended to draw out an individual with Neo's abilities made me feel for him. He no longer has faith to fall back on and is no longer sure that everything will turn out okay. It was a great way of creating tension and anticipation for the third film because now you really don't have a clear idea of what might happen. I'm hooked, bring on Revolutions!

As for the special effects, sure they're nice, but it's absolute over-kill, to the point it has become a parody of itself. Slowing the action down is amusing the first 2 or 3 times. Repeating it 500 times during every action scene is repetitive and boring.

Agreed. They could have trimmed about 15 minutes off the movie if they had just been a little less prolific with those slo-mo sequences. They're cool and I realize how they fit into the movie, but enough already.

Plus I'm not impressed when it went totally CG for battle scenes, it's obvious (Though an improvement on digital stuntmen) and silly- how CAN I be impressed when something is 100% digital? Though the Digital Stuntmen acting impressed me more than the human acting, which seemed to try and out-wooden all the 'Star Wars' movies combined.

I agree and disagree here. I noticed no wooden acting except in scenes that took place inside the Matrix. I think I remember reading somewhere that the actors (ones who were portraying freed minds) were supposed to display a certain amount of detachment during scenes in the Matrix because of their knowledge of what they were seeing wasn't real. Makes sense to me. Or maybe they were just trying too hard to be so cool.

Not to mention the greenscreens- these are so obvious they should be placed in a Sega CD video game, except you don't have the addition of Dana Plato in a whipped cream bikini top.

I have yet to see green-screen work that wasn't obvious.

Ah. 'Question reality' movies. They're out-ranking 'It was only a dream' movies in craptacularity.

...however, I still demand a slice of orgasm cake

A slice? Hell, I want the recipe.

Anyway, to return to the topic (Sorry SeanL, I had finished most of my reply before seeing your post, won't happen again) I'll state that if the DVD does drop in the next 30 or 60 days then I'll be glad. My theatrical experience was less than stellar for this movie. And just about every movie I've seen in a theater has not lived up to the experience of seeing it at home, It ALWAYS sounds better on my home theater. I usually go to the theater for the best visual presentation but even that has been better at home these days. Some of the prints these studios send to theaters lately have been absolutely atrocious.

[SilentBob]

Originally posted by tomdkat
Speaking of this DVD, my brother told me he noticed credit was given to the DVD authoring cmopany in the closing credits of the movie. Maybe they've already got a DVD just "looming" in the wings......

Did anyone else catch that?

Peace...

I belive if i'm not mistaken that the DVD was done before the release or very shortly after. Supposibly a lot of movie company's are doing this. Finding Nemo was said to be almost completed on dvd for its release later this Oct/Nov. They just had a few little items here and there to add and it would be done. Kevin Smith would update his website Viewaskew.com during his production of Jay and SilentBob Strike Back saying that half his dvd was done even while in production. Its a smart move by the directors and movie company's to do this as i'm pretty sur eit would save them money in the long run.

[jivetalkinhonkey]

Hey guys, I know for a fact that the dvd will not be coming out in the next month AND that it is not yet finished. A friend of mine got a job this summer cutting the dvd extras. I'll say no more, as i've said too much already, but this release will not be out until November at least. All other speculations are just wishful thinking, plus it doesn't make marketing sense. I suppose they could feasibly distribute a super crappy barebones dvd within the next month, but why bother- the theatrical run isn't yet over and they'll blow their load way too early to cash in on the revolutions tie in- it just doesn't make sense.

Oh, and all you guys trying to say that this move was amazing, the first one kicks its ass. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and I thought this movie was a major disappointment- it had alot of potential, but it fell short on EVERY level, especially the less than college level philosophy- and to all of you who will say I didn't get it- I did, and it was uninteresting to say the least- it could have been intruiging, but I like to see movies where the philosophy is SHOWN or presented IN SUBTEXT, not simply talked about in terribly constructed expository scenes. Yes, the idea of the prophecy being a sham is cool, but don't just fucking tell it to me, explore how to tell the story, how to bring that across without simply and awkwardly saying it. It is for this reason that I find the entire purpose of the Architecht to be a cop out- JFelix is right.

downhuman- of course you wouldn't realize good green screen work- that's the point!!!! Any green screen shot that can be identified as a green screen shot is one that is done poorly. Using that statement to justify the crappy looking special efffects in the Matrix Reloaded is weak at best. Trust me there are quite a few movies where green screen was used and you have NO IDEA that it's there.

Whatever- that's just my two cents.

[herald miffkin]

I read this info on Countingdown.com
...so don't come looking to me.

As I said in the first post, I am not a fan of the movie and I could care less if it ever comes out on dvd.

Just posting news that I saw elsewhere that people may be intersted in here.

I also doubt it will show up in June.

Just the messenger.

[voiceontheleft]

Hey, been wanting to brag about this for a couple weeks, but wasn't sure where to do this, but it might fit in here.

A few people have been mentioning that the theater going experience for Reloaded wasn't so great, and I can imagine that a theater full of noisy, rabid fans could indeed make it difficult to fully get into the movie and appreciate it, that's why I'm so happy I saw it in a theater all by myself. There are definite advantages to living in a small town and going to the 4:30 Tuesday matinee. Three hundred seat theater and just little ol' me sitting in it. I was surprised that hey actually even screened it just for my six dollars.

Actually, I was pretty psyched, because the evening shows, even during the week, were lined up across the food court. Watch me do my happy dance.

As far as a DVD within a month, I really doubt that's going to happen. It would be kind of cool, but I see a shorter theatrical to video window more for Revolutions, since they won't be building up for another sequel from that. I wouldn't be surprised if Reloaded gets a second theatrical run at the same time or just before Revolutions gets released--some places might even do a double screening, which could be pretty cool, especially since they are so closely tied together.

Anyway, my two cents on that.

PS: That's right, ALL BY MYSELF! :p (HEE HEE)

[SkottDMD]

So far it has taken in $500 million world wide, not to bad! Anyway, like everyone has said there is no way this is coming any time that soon. I would go with October

[JdW]

I think it would be smart AND awesome to release the DVD the same day Revolutions comes out ALA releasing Enter the Matrix video game the same day Reloaded arrived. Go to the theater and go to Best Buy on the way home =P

[Dirty]

I'm sure the DVD will be out in approximately October or November. Most movies come out in theatres and are then released on DVD approximately 4-5 months later.

But on second thought, what if they hold back the dvd and decide to release it together with the Matrix Revolutions DVD - double disk box set? ....or something..

Whatever.....
just a thought...

[dogmaratt]

I read that the Reloaded DVD will be out on October...but, I haven't purchased the first Matrix yet.

I'm going to wait for all three movies to be released, then get the inevitable box set.

[downhuman]

Originally posted by jivetalkinhonkey


Oh, and all you guys trying to say that this move was amazing, the first one kicks its ass. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and I thought this movie was a major disappointment- it had alot of potential, but it fell short on EVERY level, especially the less than college level philosophy- and to all of you who will say I didn't get it- I did, and it was uninteresting to say the least- it could have been intruiging, but I like to see movies where the philosophy is SHOWN or presented IN SUBTEXT, not simply talked about in terribly constructed expository scenes. Yes, the idea of the prophecy being a sham is cool, but don't just fucking tell it to me, explore how to tell the story, how to bring that across without simply and awkwardly saying it. It is for this reason that I find the entire purpose of the Architecht to be a cop out- JFelix is right.

So the less than college level philosophy(I wouldn't even call it that) of the first movie was completely OK for you? If you went into this movie looking for Socratic level philosophy you went to the wrong place. Try the library. The philosophy used in the film is incredibly simple and I wouldn't want anything that much more complicated in what is essentially an action film with a little simple philosophy used for texture. I do agree that some of the philosophical exposition was drawn out and that maybe the Wachowskis relied on it a little bit too much for narrative, but I didn't find it any more annoying than I did in the first movie.

And as for the Architect's relevation about the Prophecy, I suppose you would have preferred that at the end of The Empire Strikes Back that Vader hadn't revealed to Luke that he was his father (Yes, the Wachowskis are definitely following a formula here). Sure more adept viewers would have figured it out eventually but it was definitely whopper of way to set up the third movie. Subtlety and subtext (sadly)have no place in a movie like The Matrix. Which brings me to my point (yes I have one): the biggest problem with this movie is grossly over-inflated expectations. Either by fanboys who take these movies entirely too seriously or by people who felt that what was presented to them was beneath them in which case they should learn to deal with dissappointment. I went in expecting to see a continuation of the story started in the first movie and that's what I got. That and one of the most incredible chase sequences I've ever seen. I'll take it warts and all.

downhuman- of course you wouldn't realize good green screen work- that's the point!!!! Any green screen shot that can be identified as a green screen shot is one that is done poorly. Using that statement to justify the crappy looking special efffects in the Matrix Reloaded is weak at best. Trust me there are quite a few movies where green screen was used and you have NO IDEA that it's there.

Alright, I'm not stupid. I'm perfectly aware that there is green-screen work in movies that is transparent to the human eye. But most times the situation is which they are used almost always leads me to believe they used green-screen to some effect whether it can be seen or not. I've always said that the best special effects are the ones you didn't even know were there. You also completely missed the jist of my statement which I guess needs clarification. If you can see it, then it's obvious. So by that token I've yet to actually see green-screen work that wasn't obvious. And by that (your) logic saying that the effects work on The Matrix Reloaded was crappy comes off a little weak, too. I'm willing to bet that there were plenty of effect shots that you didn't even know were there. That 300 million dollar budget had to go somewhere. Keanu only got 30.