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outoftimejedi · 11-20-2003, 09:39 PM

TODAY, Buena Vista Home Entertainment announced the Volume 1 DVD.

THE RELEASE DATE: February 3rd
WHAT RELEASE: Region 1 (USA/Canada), NTSC
HOW MANY DISCS: 2 DVDs (2-disc-set)
RETAIL PRICE: announced $29.94
FEATURES: t.b.a.

Fans will definitely wish for "seamless branching" technique to be on the DVD, making it possible to select the Japanese Version from the menu (this method is used on Terminator 2 DVDs).

I will post more details as soon as official specs are being announced.

Did the version that came out in japan different? I never though QT would let one version be different from the other, does anyone else know? This was the press issue i read from a QT site

larphillips · 11-20-2003, 09:41 PM

I could be mistaken, but I understand that international releases of the film had the fight sequence from The House Of Blue Leaves in color while ours was in B&W.

MrE26 · 11-20-2003, 09:42 PM

Yeah, in the Japanese cut the House Of Blue Leaves sequence was entirely in colour, & i believe the scene with Sophie Fatale in the trunk of Uma's car was slightly extended as well.

PALMERLIME · 11-20-2003, 09:51 PM

Hmmmm... I was assuming these alternate and extended scenes would be on that boxed set we all know is coming out. Strange they would choose to put it on the individual release.

Marq · 11-20-2003, 09:51 PM

Indeed, Kill Bill: Vol. 1 was tamed in the ways mentioned in anticipation of having to appease the always level-headed MPPA to guarantee an "R" rating for North American audiences.

For what it's worth, I though the black and white sequence worked very well in that style, but am sure it would also be effective (differently) in colour.

MrE26 · 11-20-2003, 09:56 PM

I believe Miramax have a policy of not releasing unrated dvds if the unrated material would be rated NC-17 by the MPAA (hence no director's cut of Scream on DVD), which seems to rule out the Japanese cut making it onto the discs.

UserNameUndecided · 11-20-2003, 09:58 PM

I didn't even think of the MPAA when I saw that scene because I could swear that when I read the screenplay a bit more than a year ago, that the scene was described as shifting into black and white. Neat though that they're offering both versions in the DVD release -- which pretty strongly hints that the second release of these films featuring a different cut will be more than just the overseas versions.

Marq · 11-20-2003, 10:00 PM

outoftimejedi,

I couldn't find this release info on Buena Vista's site to verify the information mentioned. Would you perhaps have a link?

PALMERLIME · 11-20-2003, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by UserNameUndecided

I didn't even think of the MPAA when I saw that scene because I could swear that when I read the screenplay a bit more than a year ago, that the scene was described as shifting into black and white.

You are indeed correct! The screenplay DID mention the whole scene switching to black and white for the fight sequence, and switching back to color with a blink provided by a close up of The Bride's eyes. Apparently QT felt the Japanese version could stand to be a LITTLE MORE graphic.

Personally, I prefer the black and white version, anyway.

bjh_18 · 11-20-2003, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MrE26

I believe Miramax have a policy of not releasing unrated dvds if the unrated material would be rated NC-17 by the MPAA (hence no director's cut of Scream on DVD), which seems to rule out the Japanese cut making it onto the discs.

Not true. This topic has been discussed at length in other threads and they have indeed released unrated dvds before, such as The Osbournes 1 & 2 seasons.

And even if they did have that policy, I'm sure they'd make an exception for their crown jewel, QT. What QT wants, QT gets.

larphillips · 11-20-2003, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MrE26

I believe Miramax have a policy of not releasing unrated dvds if the unrated material would be rated NC-17 by the MPAA (hence no director's cut of Scream on DVD), which seems to rule out the Japanese cut making it onto the discs.

The R1 SCREAM: COLLECTOR'S EDITION DVD is an unrated cut.

UserNameUndecided · 11-20-2003, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by larphillips

The R1 SCREAM: COLLECTOR'S EDITION DVD is an unrated cut.

Actually, I remember hearing that the laserdisc was uncut, but there was some disappointment in the DVD not being so. Maybe you're correct though. I don't own the disc.

Back on topic: I think I'd prefer the scene being in black and white as well. It's just another added homage and it adds a great new layer to an already exciting scene.

bjh_18 · 11-20-2003, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by outoftimejedi

Fans will definitely wish for "seamless branching" technique to be on the DVD, making it possible to select the Japanese Version from the menu (this method is used on Terminator 2 DVDs).

But notice the exact wording there...

Fans will definitely wish for "seamless branching" technique to be on the DVD

It doesn't seem to be saying that the Japanese Version will be on the disc via seamless branching but that fans hope that it will be. I'm hoping for it too, but I wouldn't count on it. I'm betting that the individual releases of Vol. 1 and Vol. 2 will be the domestic U.S. cut of the film while the super-duper set that will come out later down the road will be the Japanese or the uncut version, similar to what's been done with the Lord of the Rings releases. QT has already said something to the effect of not having overlapping extras on the seperate releases, so I would put my money on us getting the U.S. cut in Feb. and the uncut later.

But hey, this is one of those few times that I hope that I'm wrong (which for some strange reason happens quite often

).

PorkChopXpress · 11-20-2003, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bjh_18

But notice the exact wording there...

Fans will definitely wish for "seamless branching" technique to be on the DVD
...

Well, that's how I read it, as well. Hopefully, we're both wrong. Actually since I plan on buying all of the releases of this movie, it doesn't matter if they include the Japanese version here or on a later set, just so long as we get it at some point.

larphillips · 11-21-2003, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by porkChopXpress

Well, that's how I read it, as well. Hopefully, we're both wrong. Actually since I plan on buying all of the releases of this movie, it doesn't matter if they include the Japanese version here or on a later set, just so long as we get it at some point.

Yeah, I'm right there with you. I'm going to treat this like I do LOTR... buying both the 'theatrical' and the SE. When they are so completely different, I don't mind double dipping. I own both versions of The Exorcist, Apocolypse Now and Natural Born Killers for that very reason.

Version · 11-21-2003, 12:02 AM

Seamless branching would be fine as long as we still get the B and W sequence. I can't imagine the colour version being nearly as effective. Especially with the obvious transition points (re: the bride's close up blink). The shot would seem odd and out of place in the full colour version not to mention the B and W was used very effectively IMO.

I'm all for seeing the Japanese version for fun but I want the original B and W sequence on my DVD.

elwood731 · 11-21-2003, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by larphillips

The R1 SCREAM: COLLECTOR'S EDITION DVD is an unrated cut.

Are you sure? I don't recall that on the disc or it being mentioned in the commentary track.

larphillips · 11-21-2003, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by elwood731

Are you sure? I don't recall that on the disc or it being mentioned in the commentary track.

Now I'm not... several sites listed it as UNRATED, but I just went to look at my disc and it has the 'R' logo on the back. Now I'm confused. Sorry for passing bad/uncertain data.

bjh_18 · 11-21-2003, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by porkChopXpress

Well, that's how I read it, as well. Hopefully, we're both wrong. Actually since I plan on buying all of the releases of this movie, it doesn't matter if they include the Japanese version here or on a later set, just so long as we get it at some point.

Exactly. I'm going to be picking up all the releases as well, so as long as that uncut Japanese version comes along, I'll be just fine.

papibear · 11-21-2003, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by bjh_18

But notice the exact wording there...

Fans will definitely wish for "seamless branching" technique to be on the DVD

It doesn't seem to be saying that the Japanese Version will be on the disc via seamless branching but that fans hope that it will be. I'm hoping for it too, but I wouldn't count on it. I'm betting that the individual releases of Vol. 1 and Vol. 2 will be the domestic U.S. cut of the film while the super-duper set that will come out later down the road will be the Japanese or the uncut version, similar to what's been done with the Lord of the Rings releases. QT has already said something to the effect of not having overlapping extras on the seperate releases, so I would put my money on us getting the U.S. cut in Feb. and the uncut later.

But hey, this is one of those few times that I hope that I'm wrong (which for some strange reason happens quite often

).

You're apparently the only one besides me who noticed that.

There's no "confirmation" of any seamless branching or alternate versions being made available on the R1 release of Kill Bill at this time.

Granted, it's certainly POSSIBLE that it could happen, but the comment about seamless branching and the Japanese version of the film was made by someone OTHER than anyone at Disney or Miramax, most likely someone at whatever website outoftimejedi obtained read the press release on.

"Fans will definitely wish for" is not usually translated as "confirmed features".

PorkChopXpress · 11-21-2003, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by papibear

You're apparently the only one besides me who noticed that.

*raises hand*

Not that I need the affirmation, but I noticed, too.

**SilentBob** · 11-21-2003, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Marq

For what it's worth, I though the black and white sequence worked very well in that style, but am sure it would also be effective (differently) in colour.

I must agree that i found the B&W style very well done/used in the movie. It gives it some extra style points in my books. I would personally not care if you don't get the seamless branching on the release. I think its fine the way it wa sin North American theaters.

Notoriousaurus · 11-21-2003, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by larphillips

Now I'm not... several sites listed it as UNRATED, but I just went to look at my disc and it has the 'R' logo on the back. Now I'm confused. Sorry for passing bad/uncertain data.

Well as someone who has the laserdisc, I can tell ya right now, it isn't but there is only about 17 seconds cut.

To add to the confusion the DVD (R) and the LD (Uncut) share the same commentary.

The only scene that specifically sticks out was when Drew Barrymore's boyfriend is tied to the chair outside the house, it shows his guts hit pooldeck with a delightful "clump" sound

MrE26 · 11-21-2003, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bjh_18

Not true. This topic has been discussed at length in other threads and they have indeed released unrated dvds before, such as The Osbournes 1 & 2 seasons.

And even if they did have that policy, I'm sure they'd make an exception for their crown jewel, QT. What QT wants, QT gets.

Yeah, i know they've released unrated DVDs before, but their policy is against releasing unrated DVDs if the restored footage would earn the movie an NC-17 rating. I don't think The Osbournes fits that bill. The Scream DVD was originally intended to have the full director's cut, but was released in it's R-rated form for this reason. I hope they do bend this rule for QT, i'd love to have the option both cuts.

Icon769 · 11-21-2003, 05:38 PM

I'm hoping for a Tarantino commentary. The one he did on True Romance is great.

GaLvAtRoN187 · 11-21-2003, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Icon769

I'm hoping for a Tarantino commentary. The one he did on True Romance is great.

yea as well as his commentary on From Dusk Till Dawn!

StormRider · 11-22-2003, 04:31 PM

I saw the uncut version in Hong Kong. I just think it looks fantastic in full colour with all the blood spraying about. You lot have seen it in b+w first, so you may prefer that artistic flavour better, but I don't want to see it in anything other than full colour after what I've seen. It's just so graphic.

11-20-2003, 09:39 PM	#1 (permalink)
outoftimejedi Actor Join Date: Mar 2003	a different version of KILL BILL? TODAY, Buena Vista Home Entertainment announced the Volume 1 DVD. THE RELEASE DATE: February 3rd WHAT RELEASE: Region 1 (USA/Canada), NTSC HOW MANY DISCS: 2 DVDs (2-disc-set) RETAIL PRICE: announced $29.94 FEATURES: t.b.a. Fans will definitely wish for "seamless branching" technique to be on the DVD, making it possible to select the Japanese Version from the menu (this method is used on Terminator 2 DVDs). I will post more details as soon as official specs are being announced. Did the version that came out in japan different? I never though QT would let one version be different from the other, does anyone else know? This was the press issue i read from a QT site

11-20-2003, 09:41 PM	#2 (permalink)
larphillips Actor Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Cleveland, OH	I could be mistaken, but I understand that international releases of the film had the fight sequence from The House Of Blue Leaves in color while ours was in B&W. __________________ I'm going with Jerkstore! Jerkstore is the line! Jerkstore! Yes. - George Costanza "What a lovely day for an exorcism." Demon/Regan - THE EXORCIST

11-20-2003, 09:42 PM	#3 (permalink)
MrE26 Actor Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Newcastle, England.	Yeah, in the Japanese cut the House Of Blue Leaves sequence was entirely in colour, & i believe the scene with Sophie Fatale in the trunk of Uma's car was slightly extended as well. __________________ My videogames My DVDs Xbox Live Gamertag - MrE26

11-20-2003, 09:51 PM	#4 (permalink)
PALMERLIME Is never satisfied? Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Home of Justin Guarini, Carson Kressley and Christine Taylor	Hmmmm... I was assuming these alternate and extended scenes would be on that boxed set we all know is coming out. Strange they would choose to put it on the individual release. __________________ "Why? Because it feels so god@*mn good."

11-20-2003, 09:56 PM	#6 (permalink)
MrE26 Actor Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Newcastle, England.	I believe Miramax have a policy of not releasing unrated dvds if the unrated material would be rated NC-17 by the MPAA (hence no director's cut of Scream on DVD), which seems to rule out the Japanese cut making it onto the discs. __________________ My videogames My DVDs Xbox Live Gamertag - MrE26

11-20-2003, 09:51 PM	#5 (permalink)
Marq Actor Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ottawa	Indeed, Kill Bill: Vol. 1 was tamed in the ways mentioned in anticipation of having to appease the always level-headed MPPA to guarantee an "R" rating for North American audiences. For what it's worth, I though the black and white sequence worked very well in that style, but am sure it would also be effective (differently) in colour.

11-20-2003, 09:58 PM	#7 (permalink)
UserNameUndecided Actor Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Austin TX	I didn't even think of the MPAA when I saw that scene because I could swear that when I read the screenplay a bit more than a year ago, that the scene was described as shifting into black and white. Neat though that they're offering both versions in the DVD release -- which pretty strongly hints that the second release of these films featuring a different cut will be more than just the overseas versions.

11-20-2003, 10:00 PM	#8 (permalink)
Marq Actor Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ottawa	outoftimejedi, I couldn't find this release info on Buena Vista's site to verify the information mentioned. Would you perhaps have a link?

11-21-2003, 12:02 AM	#16 (permalink)
Version Actor Join Date: Jan 2003	Seamless branching would be fine as long as we still get the B and W sequence. I can't imagine the colour version being nearly as effective. Especially with the obvious transition points (re: the bride's close up blink). The shot would seem odd and out of place in the full colour version not to mention the B and W was used very effectively IMO. I'm all for seeing the Japanese version for fun but I want the original B and W sequence on my DVD.

11-21-2003, 05:38 PM	#25 (permalink)
Icon769 Unique. Just like the other 768. Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Southern CA	I'm hoping for a Tarantino commentary. The one he did on True Romance is great. __________________ Help me find Dr. Light! My Collection l Best & Worst Movies

11-22-2003, 04:31 PM	#27 (permalink)
StormRider Supporting Actor Join Date: Nov 2003	I saw the uncut version in Hong Kong. I just think it looks fantastic in full colour with all the blood spraying about. You lot have seen it in b+w first, so you may prefer that artistic flavour better, but I don't want to see it in anything other than full colour after what I've seen. It's just so graphic.