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Old 07-26-2000, 03:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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It's Official - Deckard.... * Blade Runner Spoiler Alert! *

**** spoilers below !!! ***


...WAS a replicant!

Wow! Any thoughts anyone?! :

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http://www.devo.com/bladerunner/

Amazing eh! At long last...






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Old 07-26-2000, 03:21 PM   #2 (permalink)
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My thoughts is that this thread was covered already and that you put a fucking SPOILER in the title, moreso than the last person did. Not everyone has seen this movie, and while you may say "if they haven't seen it, they won't know what it means", the words "Deckard" and "Replicant" are distinct enough to job memories when someone eventually does watch it.
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Old 07-26-2000, 03:26 PM   #3 (permalink)
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That's lovely thanks P7A77 for imparting that knowledge so eloquently! As for a spoiler on a movie nearly 2 decades old! Erm..I don't think so. And just exactly how is that a spoiler anyway?!!! The arguements have been raging for years so I don't see quite what you're talking about - how does knowing Deckard is a replicant a spoiler? No a spoiler is when you edit edit edit edit

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Old 07-26-2000, 05:02 PM   #4 (permalink)
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There, spoiler in the subject title removed and added to the first posting.

Altough I've never seen BR and have no idea what you guys are talking about

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Old 07-26-2000, 05:11 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Thanks for that Dom, old boy. I apologise to anyone who was annoyed by my post and for being boring - I had no idea that this topic had been covered before. However, I do not appreciate Mr.'P number man' swearing at me and taking a rather aggressive tone - slightly unnecessary methinks.

And, Dom - while I don't believe you haven't seen it - how come it's not in your collection? Are you waiting for the special edition?

Apologies for all this editing!
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Old 07-26-2000, 05:19 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Tyler Durden wondered:
Dom - while I don't believe you haven't seen it - how come it's not in your collection? Are you waiting for the special edition? [/quote]No, seriously, I haven't seen it - yet, I guess. Maybe I should add it to my wishlist. Is there a SE coming up?
There are just so many famous movies out there I haven't seen yet... Planet of the Apes comes to mind... well, too many movies, too little time.

BTW, if you have to edit your posts several times, you can remove the "This post has been edited..." note from the previous editing if you scroll down to the bottom of the edit post window.
This way you won't get multiple such notes...

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Old 07-26-2000, 05:24 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Ah Damn! Now I feel really bad and will edit my reply to Mr P Number Man. Yes, there will be a special edition very soon with all of the missing scenes and lots of extras.

For those of you who didn't see my reply to Mr P Number Man you didn't miss much but I did write a spoiler as i thought my original post wasn't a spoiler, if you know what I mean!



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Old 07-26-2000, 09:08 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I actually had only seen the movie once and it was under poor conditions so I wasn't able to really watch or follow it. But the topic is a spoiler because, if you haven't seen the movie, you wouldn't even know that that issue was a potential point of discussion. Again, I'm not sure, but I'm assuming that the question of him being a replicant is only brought up near the end, which then causes one to go back and reanalyze the entire movie and look for other motivations or hidden meanings. Seeing as how you took your name from a movie with a similar "twist", I'm surprised you don't recognize this.

I took the tone that I did partially because I've gotten that feeling from previous posts of YOURS, but mostly because I really really hate spoilers. Granted, this topic was already spoiled for me by the previous thread on the subject (which was within the past week), but I could have avoided that thread and not been bothered. Yours put it right there in the subject for all to see.

I'm one of the last to advocate censorship or editing, but I'm one of the first to advocate good sense and appropriateness. Thank you, Dom, for slightly modifying the topic.
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Old 07-26-2000, 11:24 PM   #9 (permalink)
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We've always asked that spoilers, and even swearing, not be included in topic names. I know it's easy to forget rules like that at times. We hope that common sense will prevail more often than not.

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Old 07-27-2000, 08:46 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Hello Mr P

You say that you took a tone because you felt that this was something displayed by me in earlier posts - erm..could you point out exactly which posts these were? I'd be interested to know! As I have no idea what you're talking about. Please justify your accusation.
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Old 07-27-2000, 08:53 AM   #11 (permalink)
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And I really, really don't understand you guys saying that this is a spoiler - it's hardly a twist and nothing like Fight Club at all - Fight Club is not exactly ambiguous at the end is it? I mean this is a twist that is actually revealed - that's the point. At no time in Blade Runner is it revealed at all - so how exactly does it spoil the movie by knowing this in advance? I don't get this at all, the film is left deliberately ambiguous! Perhaps we should write to Ridley Scott, the BBC and all the publications that let this amazing piece of info slip and whine at them too. I mean come on people - lighten up just a tad OK. The amount of vitriol that flows through these pages never ceases to amaze me!
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Old 07-27-2000, 03:09 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I don't remember where, but I do remember seeing you annoy at least a few people. But as I said, that was barely a factor at all, and I could be wrong, so forget it.

Regarding spoiler. Yes, it may be left ambiguous, but someone who hasn't seen the movie doesn't know that. I assume they don't know that until near the end, otherwise it wouldn't have been so widely discussed and debated. Just becaue it's not concrete doesn't mean it's not a spoiler. C'mon, man, you've complained about stupid people. Can't you see the point?
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Tyler, as I said before, it's a matter of common sense. We're not saying that talking about the fact that Ridley Scott said that Deckard is a Replicant is not welcome on this board. In fact, I think these are the kinds of things that are fun to discuss on a forum like this. Instead, P7's original point is valid: this kind of info, be it technically a "spoiler" or not, shouldn't be put in the title of a forum topic.

I feel that this info is a spoiler, because it is certainly implied (at least in the director's cut) that Deckard is a replicant. If there happened to be somebody who hadn't seen the movie (I'm sure there is somebody...) that came here and saw that and it gave them info about the movie before they'd seen it... well, that's just not something we want this forum to do, spoil movie info for folks who haven't seen it yet.

So to reiterate: spoiler info is certainly okay on this board. However, the bigger the spoiler, the bigger the warning should be in the message. Plus, no spoiler info should ever appear in topic titles. A good title for this topic would have been "Ridley Scott speaks out about Deckard (Possible Spoilers)."

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Old 07-28-2000, 10:15 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Sorry Guys
We are going to have to agree to disagree - I'm not being obtuse, I just don't agree that this is a spoiler in any way shape or form.

And Mr P, if you're going to make accusations you should at least be able to back them up rather than with some vague mumblings! If I've annoyed YOU then say so - don't comment on something that plainly hasn't happened!
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Old 07-28-2000, 02:20 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I just watched Blade Runner for the first time in my life last weekend. And without really knowing about what was going on, I had a pretty good idea he was a replicant.

There was one scene (Not sure if it was in the original or not. I was watching the Directors Cut DVD) Anyway...there was one scene where Deckard and Rachel are carrying on a conversation in Deckard's apartment. It was a dimmly lit room. Deckert says I'm going to make you a drink or something like that. Well...when he walks around the back of Rachel he comes out to her left and is looking back at her. For a second in the darkness his eyes where glowing just like all the other replicant eyes glow in the dark.

If that doesn't make it obvious then I don't know what does.



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Old 07-28-2000, 02:41 PM   #16 (permalink)
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The interviewer in the beginning had that same eye glow so it seems it is just an artful touch. I don't think it really "meant" anything.

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Old 07-28-2000, 10:35 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Hmmm..I kinda interpreted it as all the replicants had that eye glow. Even the owl had it.

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Old 07-29-2000, 12:48 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Kevin, how do you know that the interviewer at the beginning wasn't himself a replicant?

Oh, and Tyler, you can "agree to disagree", but if you put spoiler info in a forum topic, we're going to edit it.

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Old 07-29-2000, 07:58 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Well if that's the case then I think my dog is a replicant! ....if the light hits his eyes just right...
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Old 07-30-2000, 07:04 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Well, Kev, just look at a strand of fur under a microscope...

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Old 07-31-2000, 05:28 PM   #21 (permalink)
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"He's a NUTBAG!.....and just because the f**kers got a library card doesn't make him....Yoda!" - Seven

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Old 07-31-2000, 07:27 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Why is everyone taking Ridley Scott's word as gospel? He didn't write the story! Deckard isn't HIS character!

To put it another way:

Let's say ol' Ridley wants to make a movie version of the famous short story, "The Lady and the Tiger". Now let's say that he leaves the movie open-ended just like the story. And lets say that in an interview with Ridley a few years later, he says, "Oh, they guy opened the door with the tiger in my film." Does that make it "true"(as far as "true" goes in the Bladerunner universe, anyway)?

As far as I'm concerned, Deckard's being a replicant is nothing more than Ridley's INTERPRETATION of the story. And since he never actually concretely SAYS Deckard is a replicant in the movie, I feel it's still open to interpretation.

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Old 07-31-2000, 09:41 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Well, it's going to be a little hard to ask Phillip K. Dick, since he's dead.

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Old 07-31-2000, 11:45 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Old 08-01-2000, 04:59 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Phillip K Dick said in an interview in Fantastic Films or Starlog around 1981 that (loosely quoted)"Deckard is not a fucking Replicant for Christ's sake! That's not the point of the character at all, it's how he slowly loses his humanity by killing very human like androids and whether or not he can ever regain his humanity. They in fact act more "human" then him in some ways."

I agree with him about this whether he's alive or not. I think it's a cheep little twist to say "oh wow! how ironic that he has been killing his own kind" compared to Dick's original character of Deckard as a man who becomes less human than the "non-humans" he hunts.

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That is a much more eloquent theme, I agree.

Not to mention the fact I can throw that at my friends when they bring up Deckard being a replicant!
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I like that theme as well. Still won't make me like the movie though.

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Old 08-05-2000, 12:15 PM   #28 (permalink)
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im kind of disappointed that ridley went out and said it like that. it seemed like the point of the hinting in the film wasn't to say HES A REPLICANT, i think it was just supposed to suggest MAYBE he's a replicant. which makes the film much more thought provoking and ambigious, and also goes with the theme of what makes us human. does it matter if dekkard is a replicant? i think the point is it doesn't matter if he is or not, just like it doesn't matter that Rachel is, which is why he doesn't kill her.
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