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Mixed Nuts Fan · 08-09-2001, 07:17 PM

For a movie that is one of my favorites and also a big disaster at the box office, it is getting a decent package. Not only is it getting an anamorphic widescreen transfer, it is getting a Dolby Digital 5.1 soundtrack. Features might be slim, but at least it will give us a small glimpse into how they made their dream world with a making of featurette and the original trailer and TV Spots.

Now, who likes this movie and who will buy it when it is released on October 16?

tycho282 · 08-09-2001, 07:30 PM

I really liked the trailer, which featured Robin Williams basically doing stand up in a field. Rushed out to see the movie and didn't like it. I still may buy it just because I'm a completist.

--Chris

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On second thought, let's not go to Camelot. It is a silly place.

08-09-2001, 07:45 PM

Hey,
-I actually really like 'Toys'.
I think Williams did a great job with it. I'll be at best Buy to pick it up!

see ya!

JP

Disco Stu · 08-09-2001, 08:06 PM

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Originally posted by tycho282:
I really liked the trailer, which featured Robin Williams basically doing stand up in a field. Rushed out to see the movie and didn't like it. I still may buy it just because I'm a completist.

I agree with this completely, the trailer was terrific, and it would take a true completist to want to own the movie. "Toys" was the rare case where you can actually point to a movie where a director lost all his marbles at once, never to recover ("Wag the Dog" was a brief and instantly dated abberation). "Toys" is as if Terry Gilliam wanted to make "Brazil" but had no visual sense or humor. In a way, it would be interesting to have a commentary, one that would be more willing to admit failure than Michael Lehman was on the "Hudson Hawk" disc, or Roger Christian on "Battlefield Earth" (actually considering the previous movies Christian had made, "Battlefield Earth" looks like gold, a bad director may not be able to tell the difference between disasters).

Personally (and I'm not trying to troll here, this is a completely non-cynical response), I believe that failures, especially by previously successful filmmakers, should be further examined in great detail, a magnificent failure is far more interesting than a moderately successful film. It takes true talent to go completely wrong. Who would not find a full analysis of the Roman Polanski mistake "Pirates" or perhaps Danny Boyle's "A Life Less Ordinary" fascinating? Perhaps the filmmakers were aware of the problems at the conceptual level and tried to work through it. Or maybe they knew from the outset that the issues would never be resolved. Documenting this would be a learning experience, and would be truly amazing to watch. Ebert said when reviewing "Ishtar" that he would have paid anything to see a documentary crew following Hoffman and Beatty around and asking them about how they were feeling.

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THXHEYNOW · 08-09-2001, 08:09 PM

yeah ill get toys i had the ld and it had a really nice frame gallery of the artwork of the sets

Den

Prospero · 08-09-2001, 09:06 PM

Disco Stu wrote: I believe that failures, especially by previously successful filmmakers, should be further examined in great detail, a magnificent failure is far more interesting than a moderately successful film.

Check out the commentary track for Krull. For example: "I'm Lysette Anthony. And I hope you enjoyed this movie. Because I certainly didn't."

Also, I like Toys just because of the Magritte-inspired production design.

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Disco Stu · 08-09-2001, 09:18 PM

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Originally posted by Prospero:
Check out the commentary track for Krull. For example: "I'm Lysette Anthony. And I hope you enjoyed this movie. Because I certainly didn't."

That's funny because I actually rented "Krull" and I thought it was so boring. I started to listen to the commentary and I got a few minutes in before Saraswati pleaded with me to turn it off, she couldn't understand why I would listen to a commentary for a movie we both hated. I figured that Columbia spent so much effort on the disc that I should at least look at some of the extras.

I'm not looking for a commentary like that joke they had on "The Simpsons" with Kevin Costner apologizing for "The Postman" ("I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Oh, I'm sorry"), but something that reveals a great deal about the art involved in a failure.

This reminds of when I saw "Mixed Nuts" in a film class I was in where they would show films a few weeks before they opened. Liev Schrieber was the guest that week (he has a small role in it), and he spent an hour apologizing to the audience for having to sit through the movie, while we all reassured him that there would be many other, better roles. Luckily for him, there were, such as "The Daytrippers."
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Pumpkinhead · 08-09-2001, 10:45 PM

Toys is one of my favorite comedies. Absolutely hilarious! I didn't knwo it was coming to DVD. I'll bet it has a nice menu.

Laughing Gravy · 08-10-2001, 12:42 AM

3DMan · 08-10-2001, 12:51 AM

Krull is one of those guilty pleasures for me, I just remember thinking "wow I wish I had that thingy" and "what the hell is a krull anyway?".
I thought Toys was pretty interesting but definately less than inspired. And then there's that inappropriate sex scene the military dues spy in on.

Prospero · 08-10-2001, 01:08 AM

Disco Stu wrote: I started to listen to the commentary [for Krull] and I got a few minutes in before Saraswati pleaded with me to turn it off, she couldn't understand why I would listen to a commentary for a movie we both hated.

[I'm looking for] something that reveals a great deal about the art involved in a failure.

That's exactly why the commentary track for Krull is interesting. It has the director, the editor, and the two stars, but they were all recorded separately. Peter Yates is constantly saying why he thinks the film is good, but Lysette Anthony is more interested in showing how and where the movie fails. She also dishes scandalous behind-the-scenes stories. Meanwhile, Ken Marshall sees the track as his last chance to rehabilitate himself as a legitimate actor: "I did all my own stunts here. I was able to do this because I took movement classes at Juilliard. It was a good class that year! Robin Williams was in it--blah blah blah." It's not a classic commentary by any means, and doesn't reveal the "great deal" you're looking for, but it is uniquely instructive, even if it says more about the commentators than the film.

Ambushbug · 08-10-2001, 02:55 AM

I wish I was looking forward to this one; the vast fields seen in the film are just outside of town. Robin Williams even came to one of our local comic shops and bought massive amounts of comics for the cast and crew. But I just wasn't entertained by the movie. DOH!

AB

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"Unquestionably swashbuckling!"

08-09-2001, 07:17 PM	#1 (permalink)
Mixed Nuts Fan Actor Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Vista, CA	Anyone looking forward to "Toys" this October For a movie that is one of my favorites and also a big disaster at the box office, it is getting a decent package. Not only is it getting an anamorphic widescreen transfer, it is getting a Dolby Digital 5.1 soundtrack. Features might be slim, but at least it will give us a small glimpse into how they made their dream world with a making of featurette and the original trailer and TV Spots. Now, who likes this movie and who will buy it when it is released on October 16?

08-10-2001, 12:42 AM	#9 (permalink)
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08-09-2001, 07:30 PM	#2 (permalink)
tycho282 Actor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Aurora, IL, USA	I really liked the trailer, which featured Robin Williams basically doing stand up in a field. Rushed out to see the movie and didn't like it. I still may buy it just because I'm a completist. --Chris ------------------ On second thought, let's not go to Camelot. It is a silly place.

08-09-2001, 07:45 PM	#3 (permalink)
JP	Hey, -I actually really like 'Toys'. I think Williams did a great job with it. I'll be at best Buy to pick it up! see ya! JP

08-09-2001, 08:09 PM	#5 (permalink)
THXHEYNOW Actor Join Date: Jun 2001	yeah ill get toys i had the ld and it had a really nice frame gallery of the artwork of the sets Den

08-09-2001, 09:06 PM	#6 (permalink)
Prospero Actor Join Date: Mar 2001	Disco Stu wrote: I believe that failures, especially by previously successful filmmakers, should be further examined in great detail, a magnificent failure is far more interesting than a moderately successful film. Check out the commentary track for Krull. For example: "I'm Lysette Anthony. And I hope you enjoyed this movie. Because I certainly didn't." Also, I like Toys just because of the Magritte-inspired production design. [This message has been edited by Prospero (edited 08-09-2001).]

08-09-2001, 10:45 PM	#8 (permalink)
Pumpkinhead Banned Join Date: Jul 2001	Toys is one of my favorite comedies. Absolutely hilarious! I didn't knwo it was coming to DVD. I'll bet it has a nice menu.

08-10-2001, 12:51 AM	#10 (permalink)
3DMan SOex Anonymous Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dallas, TX	Krull is one of those guilty pleasures for me, I just remember thinking "wow I wish I had that thingy" and "what the hell is a krull anyway?". I thought Toys was pretty interesting but definately less than inspired. And then there's that inappropriate sex scene the military dues spy in on.

08-10-2001, 01:08 AM	#11 (permalink)
Prospero Actor Join Date: Mar 2001	Disco Stu wrote: I started to listen to the commentary [for Krull] and I got a few minutes in before Saraswati pleaded with me to turn it off, she couldn't understand why I would listen to a commentary for a movie we both hated. [I'm looking for] something that reveals a great deal about the art involved in a failure. That's exactly why the commentary track for Krull is interesting. It has the director, the editor, and the two stars, but they were all recorded separately. Peter Yates is constantly saying why he thinks the film is good, but Lysette Anthony is more interested in showing how and where the movie fails. She also dishes scandalous behind-the-scenes stories. Meanwhile, Ken Marshall sees the track as his last chance to rehabilitate himself as a legitimate actor: "I did all my own stunts here. I was able to do this because I took movement classes at Juilliard. It was a good class that year! Robin Williams was in it--blah blah blah." It's not a classic commentary by any means, and doesn't reveal the "great deal" you're looking for, but it is uniquely instructive, even if it says more about the commentators than the film.

08-10-2001, 02:55 AM	#12 (permalink)
Ambushbug Actor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: No Name City. Population: Nuts	I wish I was looking forward to this one; the vast fields seen in the film are just outside of town. Robin Williams even came to one of our local comic shops and bought massive amounts of comics for the cast and crew. But I just wasn't entertained by the movie. DOH! AB ------------------ "Unquestionably swashbuckling!"