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Dr. Lecter, MD · 10-12-2001, 02:05 AM

Was at HTF.com and word has it customers, ignorant customers are complaining about widescreen and studios are being forced to go to p&s. Anyone reading into this or what?

wadew · 10-12-2001, 02:47 AM

Someone should explain to these people what widescreen actually is.

Rogue · 10-12-2001, 02:35 PM

I don't think we have to worry to much about it. For one, HDTV will be the standard TV format in a few years. As you know, the standard calls for a 1.78:1 aspect ratio (I believe, correct me if I am wrong.)
Shows like The West Wing and ER are already produced in widescreeen. I think in a few years 16:9 televisions will be quite common in homes.
DVDs featuring anamorphic widescreen are ready for the future. People will be pissed if they buy a shiny new widescreen TV to take advantage of HDTV and their DVDs start playing with vertical black bars on either side of the image. The worst that will happen is that studios will start releasing more discs with pan and scan on one side and anamorphic widescreen on the other. I can live with that.

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Damian · 10-12-2001, 02:40 PM

I swear, I think people bitch sometimes just to hear their own voice.
These people need to be educated as to what exactly widescreen is.

From my experiance, it's usually the older population that don't understand widescreen. Both my parents are in their early sixties and they can't stand widescreen. That goes the same with aunt's and uncle's of mine that are around that age group.
Younger people (30's and below) understand the advantages to widescreen and don't complain as much about it.

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"They're us....we're them!"
-Damian

RBB · 10-12-2001, 03:00 PM

I actually find myself explaining it to people my age more than older people. I think it's people with smaller TVs that are bitching. I'd be willing to bet that most of the first movers on DVD had TVs of 30" +.

DVD is no longer a videophie product. People are buying DVD players and watching them on their 15" screen and listening to it through their (God fordid) TV's stock audio system!

LDs never really had to cater to the masses and never really had this delimma. But as it seems Widescreen is still selling better than P&S, I don't see them changing it soon. I also agree that 16x9 will change everything.

I think we need TVs that change size to fit the ratio, like they do to the screens in the theaters. How cool would that be!?

Booyotch! · 10-12-2001, 05:42 PM

Well, since the cost of making a DVD (not Double sets) is around $0.40, I'm sure that the studios will be happy with releasing two seperate sets (ala Mummy returns) or just putting One on one side of the disc, one on the other, ect.

Besides, if the studios start saying "ONlY P&S!", I'm sure the Directors, editors, producers will start to bitch, having their work butchered. Most filmmakers are beginning to realize that the home market is where alot of the money is. You release a movie in theaters that grosses $450 million worldwide, thats all it will ever make. You release a really nice DVD of the same movie, at least 70% will buy it there too.

Remember a time where you actually had to HUNT for a WS copy of a movie? It'll never go back to that... It was really expensive to make a P&S and WS editions on VHS. Not so w/ DVD.

Fart Lighter · 10-12-2001, 06:43 PM

don't take HTF too seriously, it's full of rubbish and mis-speculation often enough. I've never encountered anyone here in the UK requesting p&s only versions at all, and people here are a considerable way behind those in the USA in understanding the whole ratio thing. I doubt that it would be very common for many people to make p&s requests often. A minority perhaps, but not many. (I hope)

Welles and Ford Fan · 10-12-2001, 06:55 PM

I still don't see why they don't just put both version on one disc, one on each side of the disc. Many of the early DVD's were done this way. That was one of the touted features of DVD when it was first introduced. If we end up with nothing but P & S, we may as well go back to VHS.

Fart Lighter · 10-12-2001, 07:17 PM

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Originally posted by Welles and Ford Fan:
I still don't see why they don't just put both version on one disc, one on each side of the disc. Many of the early DVD's were done this way. That was one of the touted features of DVD when it was first introduced. If we end up with nothing but P & S, we may as well go back to VHS.

I wondered this, and came to the conclusion that exept for when they needed the space, it was just becuase because they didn;t want to bother spending the extra money on it. There really isn't any other reason is there?

THXHEYNOW · 10-12-2001, 07:34 PM

So how much does that suck. Laserdisc was killed by DVD and DVD wont even carry on what LD stared with Widescreen.

ITs already happened with a ton of dvds i have that are p&s when the laserdiscs i have of them are widescreen.

SebastianCole · 10-12-2001, 10:09 PM

Okay...everyone!

Don't start panicking yet! Widescreen is also a strongly imbedded format with DVD. The worse that could happen is that we end up with discs that have both, or seperate releases in each format.

Remember what happened with Willy Wonka? I don't think the studios would like the shit storm we could bring if they went Pan&Scan only.

We don't have problems yet. Where's Marty Scorsese when ya need him...

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"I realize many of you are angry over the change to pan & scan only. Especially those of you strapped with Dynamite."

My DVD collection

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10-13-2001, 05:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Welles and Ford Fan:
I still don't see why they don't just put both version on one disc, one on each side of the disc. Many of the early DVD's were done this way. That was one of the touted features of DVD when it was first introduced. If we end up with nothing but P & S, we may as well go back to VHS.

They shouldn't do that! I hate those two-sided things! Make the discs look stupid, cheap, and virtually indistinguishable from one another. I don't understand personally though, why there is any call for full-frame versions? I think that any DVD consumer prefers/has grown to love movies in widescreen. You are right about the "Might as well go back to VHS" I do agree with that. But I have alot of movies with great artwork on the discs themselves, and after showing them off to some people that don't have DVD players,,, They are now very interested and excited about the format. Thanks

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TheJeffy · 10-13-2001, 06:08 AM

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AirSickMoth · 10-13-2001, 10:05 AM

Widescreen is in no real danger for those who want to buy it. But it might be in trouble for those who want to rent it. In another thread there is a discusion on how Block Buster has only got P&S versions of the Mummy Returns. I love renting DVD's (I've seen so many movies that I might not have watched otherwise), but I fear that the studios might only be sending P&S to renters so that us WS freaks have to buy them.

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Dr. Lecter, MD Actor Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Seffner, Fl, USA	Studios dropping Wide Screen Was at HTF.com and word has it customers, ignorant customers are complaining about widescreen and studios are being forced to go to p&s. Anyone reading into this or what?

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10-12-2001, 02:47 AM	#2 (permalink)
wadew Actor Join Date: Jul 2001	Someone should explain to these people what widescreen actually is.

10-12-2001, 02:35 PM	#3 (permalink)
Rogue Actor Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Miami,FL USA	I don't think we have to worry to much about it. For one, HDTV will be the standard TV format in a few years. As you know, the standard calls for a 1.78:1 aspect ratio (I believe, correct me if I am wrong.) Shows like The West Wing and ER are already produced in widescreeen. I think in a few years 16:9 televisions will be quite common in homes. DVDs featuring anamorphic widescreen are ready for the future. People will be pissed if they buy a shiny new widescreen TV to take advantage of HDTV and their DVDs start playing with vertical black bars on either side of the image. The worst that will happen is that studios will start releasing more discs with pan and scan on one side and anamorphic widescreen on the other. I can live with that. ------------------ "Every artist is a cannibal, every poet is a thief."

10-12-2001, 02:40 PM	#4 (permalink)
Damian My dad can beat up your dad. Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Mississippi	I swear, I think people bitch sometimes just to hear their own voice. These people need to be educated as to what exactly widescreen is. From my experiance, it's usually the older population that don't understand widescreen. Both my parents are in their early sixties and they can't stand widescreen. That goes the same with aunt's and uncle's of mine that are around that age group. Younger people (30's and below) understand the advantages to widescreen and don't complain as much about it. ------------------ "They're us....we're them!" -Damian

10-12-2001, 03:00 PM	#5 (permalink)
RBB Actor Join Date: Jun 2001	I actually find myself explaining it to people my age more than older people. I think it's people with smaller TVs that are bitching. I'd be willing to bet that most of the first movers on DVD had TVs of 30" +. DVD is no longer a videophie product. People are buying DVD players and watching them on their 15" screen and listening to it through their (God fordid) TV's stock audio system! LDs never really had to cater to the masses and never really had this delimma. But as it seems Widescreen is still selling better than P&S, I don't see them changing it soon. I also agree that 16x9 will change everything. I think we need TVs that change size to fit the ratio, like they do to the screens in the theaters. How cool would that be!?

10-12-2001, 05:42 PM	#6 (permalink)
Booyotch! Actor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Huntsville, AL	Well, since the cost of making a DVD (not Double sets) is around $0.40, I'm sure that the studios will be happy with releasing two seperate sets (ala Mummy returns) or just putting One on one side of the disc, one on the other, ect. Besides, if the studios start saying "ONlY P&S!", I'm sure the Directors, editors, producers will start to bitch, having their work butchered. Most filmmakers are beginning to realize that the home market is where alot of the money is. You release a movie in theaters that grosses $450 million worldwide, thats all it will ever make. You release a really nice DVD of the same movie, at least 70% will buy it there too. Remember a time where you actually had to HUNT for a WS copy of a movie? It'll never go back to that... It was really expensive to make a P&S and WS editions on VHS. Not so w/ DVD.

10-12-2001, 06:43 PM	#7 (permalink)
Fart Lighter Actor Join Date: May 2001 Location: Worcestershire, UK	don't take HTF too seriously, it's full of rubbish and mis-speculation often enough. I've never encountered anyone here in the UK requesting p&s only versions at all, and people here are a considerable way behind those in the USA in understanding the whole ratio thing. I doubt that it would be very common for many people to make p&s requests often. A minority perhaps, but not many. (I hope)

10-12-2001, 06:55 PM	#8 (permalink)
Welles and Ford Fan Actor Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Houston, TX USA	I still don't see why they don't just put both version on one disc, one on each side of the disc. Many of the early DVD's were done this way. That was one of the touted features of DVD when it was first introduced. If we end up with nothing but P & S, we may as well go back to VHS.

10-12-2001, 07:34 PM	#10 (permalink)
THXHEYNOW Actor Join Date: Jun 2001	So how much does that suck. Laserdisc was killed by DVD and DVD wont even carry on what LD stared with Widescreen. ITs already happened with a ton of dvds i have that are p&s when the laserdiscs i have of them are widescreen.

10-12-2001, 10:09 PM	#11 (permalink)
SebastianCole Actor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Eden Prairie, Mn	Okay...everyone! Don't start panicking yet! Widescreen is also a strongly imbedded format with DVD. The worse that could happen is that we end up with discs that have both, or seperate releases in each format. Remember what happened with Willy Wonka? I don't think the studios would like the shit storm we could bring if they went Pan&Scan only. We don't have problems yet. Where's Marty Scorsese when ya need him... ------------------ "I realize many of you are angry over the change to pan & scan only. Especially those of you strapped with Dynamite." My DVD collection [This message has been edited by SebastianCole (edited 10-12-2001).]

10-13-2001, 06:08 AM	#13 (permalink)
TheJeffy Banned Join Date: Dec 2000	. [This message has been edited by TheJeffy (edited 10-21-2001).]

10-13-2001, 10:05 AM	#14 (permalink)
AirSickMoth Actor Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Victoria, BC, Canada	Widescreen is in no real danger for those who want to buy it. But it might be in trouble for those who want to rent it. In another thread there is a discusion on how Block Buster has only got P&S versions of the Mummy Returns. I love renting DVD's (I've seen so many movies that I might not have watched otherwise), but I fear that the studios might only be sending P&S to renters so that us WS freaks have to buy them.