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10-13-2001, 05:35 AM

I hate them cause they are hard to read. I have the DVD of "V" and being that the title of the thing is just one letter,, it is quite hard to read. Also, they seem to get dirty easier,, Maybe that's just me who thinks that though. Another thing, is that they are easy to put in your case or keep case/etc. incorrectly. i.e. With the crappy full-frame tiny ring label showing. Well, this is just a pet peeve topic, but let me know. Alot of classics deserve to have some cool artwork on the discs. Even Exorcist-Special Edition is two sided! That is a crime! Thanks!

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TheJeffy · 10-13-2001, 06:16 AM

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Triple HHH · 10-13-2001, 07:44 AM

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Originally posted by TheJeffy:
There have been some examples of mis-labeled or unlabeled discs, but it's hardly the end of the world to flip a disc over.

I only replied to this because I just got through replying about 'studios dropping widescreen', and my thought is, just include both versions to keep everyone happy. And the old Warner & Columbia standard of double sided discs does the trick just fine.

That's a good point. They personally don't bother me too much. Also, if you're going to have an extra side for artwork, having a full screen/widescreen combo would please both camps. My Badlands DVD (Warner)has this, for instance. A Bug's Life and Toy Story has both versions on the same sides I think!

Oh yeah, Mykel, how is the Exorcist Special Edtion? I never got around to seeing the new version. I wonder which is better overall: 25th anniversary edition or the "version you've never seen."??

glossybear · 10-13-2001, 07:56 AM

They kinda bother me.

I just think that there is twice as much disk to get scratched or dirty... But I'm kinda odd. Paranoid about scratches but I lend out my DVDs all the time...

George McFly · 10-13-2001, 01:28 PM

I hate 'em easier to scratch and they ARE a pain the see which side is WS and which is P&S

dvds'r'us · 10-14-2001, 04:13 AM

I Hate Them For One Reason. They Get Scratched Faster! That's My Only Complaint!

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saraswati · 10-15-2001, 01:30 PM

the scratching is annoying, but i find that if i keep them in their case they're just fine. and if i need to put them somewhere else (a CD binder, for instance) i just make sure the widescreen side is the protected side.

i don't really mind double sided discs, though, because the keep OAR alive. if every film had to have seperate widescreen and p&s versions, we'd probably see quite a few more full frame only releases.

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Damian · 10-15-2001, 01:33 PM

They make me get my fat ass off the couch to turn them over.

Thats why I hate them.

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Chris in OC · 10-15-2001, 03:07 PM

I'm finding lettering that small harder and harder to read as I get older, and that's a pain. It's getting to the point where I need a magnifying glass near the player so I can read the disc. (Don't laugh -- it'll happen to you too.... cue the scream and 50s horror movie music

)

Outside of that, though, I don't have a problem if it's for additional information (like T2) or the WS/PS presentation choice, and if it helps keep costs down, so much the better.

Flippers are another matter. Unless the film is very long (like a TV miniseries) I'd rather have the whole thing on one side of the disc.

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DVDriven · 10-15-2001, 03:46 PM

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Originally posted by Chris in OC:

Outside of that, though, I don't have a problem if it's for additional information (like T2) or the WS/PS presentation choice, and if it helps keep costs down, so much the better.

If I thought that adopting a flipper would help in keeping costs down, I might be in favour of it, but I don't think that's necessarily the case with the studios. Take "T2:TUE", for example. When the limited edition case was still available, retailers such as BEST BUY priced it the same, regardless of whether it was the single or dual disc version (my biggest regret was not buying the dual disc version on sale when I had the chance; now I'm stuck with the flipper

) Now that they've repackaged the movie with the paperboard slip-on, they've stuck with the flipper, and the price is back up to ~$30.

10-15-2001, 03:59 PM

I agree with Damian

The Riddler · 10-15-2001, 04:19 PM

The Goodfellas DVD bites it! There are longer movies on one side & Goodfellas doesn't need to be treated like an old ass laserdisc!

10-15-2001, 04:54 PM

Personally, I hate over-packaged, over-priced double-DVD releases. I'll take a single double-sided DVD over something like the "Fight Club" package any day. Don't get me wrong - I love the "Fight Club" movie, but I HATE HATE HATE the packaging it comes in. Give me lower prices and double-sided DVDs any day!

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RBB · 10-15-2001, 07:40 PM

I typically have no problem with two sided discs. In fact, once I realized that information can be on both sides of the disc, I began to wonder why they're not both always used. I hate double disc sets and their obese packaging. It's done simply for greater visability and to dupe users into thinking they're getting more material.

I'm also not against spreading the feature out over two sides if that means better quality, but ONLY if it means better quality.

In a perfect world we wouldn't even need the disc. But since it's there I don't see any reason why they shouldn't use both sides.

General Zod · 10-15-2001, 08:56 PM

The only problem I have with flippers is mislabeling. The worst examples of mislabeling I can think of are 13 Ghosts and The Stand. On 13 Ghosts, I had watched half of the movie not realizing that it was the non- Ilusion-O version even though I put the side that was labled as Ilusion-O up. That made me mad. On the Stand, it isn't really mislabled as much as non-labled. They didn't put which side it is on the little band around the middle and I ALWAYS seem to put in the wrong side. Grrr.

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Marty McFly · 10-15-2001, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Damian:
They make me get my fat ass off the couch to turn them over.

Thats why I hate them.

Ditto.

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willb3d · 10-15-2001, 10:27 PM

My problem with doublesided DVDs is partly the fault of the case...and come to think of it this effects single sided discs as well:

Sometimes the spindle is located in the center of the case, sometimes near the bottom. Different cases from different suppliers have different styles.

After a film, the room is relatively dark, and sometimes when I take the DVD and try to put it back into its case I don't notice what style case it is, and the spindle hits the playing surface of the disc because I aimed too high or too low.

If the inside of the case weren't car-tire black, or if I had more lights on, this wouldn't be a problem. The silver-plastic cases are nice.

slade · 10-15-2001, 10:36 PM

Don't really mind the two sided disc. My preference is a two-disc set in packaging that isn't double-wide (i.e. Gladiator). But it's never going to influence whether or not I purchase something. Like TheJeffy said, "It's what's inside that counts."

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Ratboy · 10-15-2001, 10:53 PM

I don't really care one way or the other except when it comes to renting from Netflix. I can certainly understand from a business perspective, but I hate that they have now separated the rental of the feature from the rental of the bonus disc. Not only does renting, say, The Phantom Menace now count as two movies out, but you're never assured that you'll get the two discs at the same time. I like to watch the bonus material right after the film (which I'm sure is not unusual), and in the worst case scenario, the bonus disc ships but the feature disc is out of stock.

saraswati · 10-16-2001, 01:46 PM

will3d -- here's a solution. most living rooms come with this special feature called electricity, which is often used to light the area. simply flip the switch at the entrance to the room, and it will become illuminated. you can then remove the disc from your player and put it into the case safely, regardless of what kind of case it is.

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willb3d · 10-18-2001, 01:54 AM

Ruins the mood.

Patrick · 10-18-2001, 04:28 AM

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Originally posted by saraswati:
flip the switch

My living room doesn't have electricity... my TV is battery powered! Should I use a candle instead?

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saraswati · 10-18-2001, 02:06 PM

but if you've already watched the movie, what mood is there to ruin? you're gonna have to turn on the lights someday. if you need a minute to be in the "mood" of your dark living room, whatever, leave the disk in the player till you're ready to turn the lights on...

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RBB · 10-18-2001, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by saraswati:
but if you've already watched the movie, what mood is there to ruin?

Maybe he was watching porn. There's quite a bit left to ruin by turning on the lights after porn.

eideal6 · 10-18-2001, 07:29 PM

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Originally posted by RBB:
Maybe he was watching porn. There's quite a bit left to ruin by turning on the lights after porn.

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Gyvedgate · 10-18-2001, 08:21 PM

Personally, if it were up to me, I would have disks one and three of the Brazil Criterion collection as a double sided DVD-18 and have disk two as a second supplimental DVD and put the two disks in one thin double amaray.

Likewise, I would take (for example) Lethal Weapon 1 & 2 and make it a double sided disk and then do the same with 3 & 4. Then, I would put these two disks in a double amaray and have the entire series in one thin case.

Patrick · 10-18-2001, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Patrick:
My living room doesn't have electricity... my TV is battery powered! Should I use a candle instead?

Hrmm.. sorry about that.

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orko007 · 10-19-2001, 10:12 PM

I'd rather the dual discs, and I dont mind the large packaging. Altho those Amaray cases, come in normal size and hold the 2 discs, so perhaps all manufacturers should take a leap from this. But the worst double sided disc has to be the movie flipper. Out here in R4 land, we have a few of those. I ended up getting a multi region player, mainly so I didnt have to flip Starship Troopers. Just before the 1st battle, youd have to get up and flip. Same as the Rock, & Face/Off. All Touchstone Home Video releases. Thankfully these are being slowly removed.

OneofRyan · 10-20-2001, 02:24 AM

If TPM can have all that stuff on one disk, why couldn't V been all on one side?

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Soggy Bagel's Revenge! · 10-20-2001, 04:06 AM

It always bothers me. I love disc art, and I think to even include the pan&scan version as an option is worng.

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10-13-2001, 05:35 AM	#1 (permalink)
Mykel & Carli	Who here hates two-sided DVD's and why? I hate them cause they are hard to read. I have the DVD of "V" and being that the title of the thing is just one letter,, it is quite hard to read. Also, they seem to get dirty easier,, Maybe that's just me who thinks that though. Another thing, is that they are easy to put in your case or keep case/etc. incorrectly. i.e. With the crappy full-frame tiny ring label showing. Well, this is just a pet peeve topic, but let me know. Alot of classics deserve to have some cool artwork on the discs. Even Exorcist-Special Edition is two sided! That is a crime! Thanks! ------------------ My name is Johnny =W=

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10-13-2001, 06:16 AM	#2 (permalink)
TheJeffy Banned Join Date: Dec 2000	. [This message has been edited by TheJeffy (edited 10-21-2001).]

10-13-2001, 07:56 AM	#4 (permalink)
glossybear Actor Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Santa Cruz, CA	They kinda bother me. I just think that there is twice as much disk to get scratched or dirty... But I'm kinda odd. Paranoid about scratches but I lend out my DVDs all the time...

10-13-2001, 01:28 PM	#5 (permalink)
George McFly Kinda likes the Razorbacks Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: watching HD	I hate 'em easier to scratch and they ARE a pain the see which side is WS and which is P&S

10-14-2001, 04:13 AM	#6 (permalink)
dvds'r'us Actor Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: St. Louis Area	I Hate Them For One Reason. They Get Scratched Faster! That's My Only Complaint! ------------------ I'd Rather Be The Hunter Than Than The Hunted. There's No Such Thing As Good And Evil, Only Weak And Strong.

10-15-2001, 01:30 PM	#7 (permalink)
saraswati Actress Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: New York City?!	the scratching is annoying, but i find that if i keep them in their case they're just fine. and if i need to put them somewhere else (a CD binder, for instance) i just make sure the widescreen side is the protected side. i don't really mind double sided discs, though, because the keep OAR alive. if every film had to have seperate widescreen and p&s versions, we'd probably see quite a few more full frame only releases. ------------------ deep in the heat of the bush...

10-15-2001, 01:33 PM	#8 (permalink)
Damian My dad can beat up your dad. Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Mississippi	They make me get my fat ass off the couch to turn them over. Thats why I hate them. ------------------ "They're us....we're them!" -Damian

10-15-2001, 03:07 PM	#9 (permalink)
Chris in OC Actor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: So Cal	I'm finding lettering that small harder and harder to read as I get older, and that's a pain. It's getting to the point where I need a magnifying glass near the player so I can read the disc. (Don't laugh -- it'll happen to you too.... cue the scream and 50s horror movie music ) Outside of that, though, I don't have a problem if it's for additional information (like T2) or the WS/PS presentation choice, and if it helps keep costs down, so much the better. Flippers are another matter. Unless the film is very long (like a TV miniseries) I'd rather have the whole thing on one side of the disc. ------------------ Trust me -- I know what I'm doing. [This message has been edited by Chris in OC (edited 10-15-2001).]

10-15-2001, 03:59 PM	#11 (permalink)
paustin	I agree with Damian

10-15-2001, 04:19 PM	#12 (permalink)
The Riddler Actor Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Where Most "Fogies" Are Discounted & Votes Often Miscounted!	The Goodfellas DVD bites it! There are longer movies on one side & Goodfellas doesn't need to be treated like an old ass laserdisc!

10-15-2001, 04:54 PM	#13 (permalink)
Stosh	Personally, I hate over-packaged, over-priced double-DVD releases. I'll take a single double-sided DVD over something like the "Fight Club" package any day. Don't get me wrong - I love the "Fight Club" movie, but I HATE HATE HATE the packaging it comes in. Give me lower prices and double-sided DVDs any day!

10-15-2001, 06:08 PM	#14 (permalink)
*1138* Producer/Admin Careful, or I'll ban myself... Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	Welcome to the forum Stosh! ------------------ 1138 - DVD File Forum Greeter/Moderator Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light.

10-15-2001, 07:40 PM	#15 (permalink)
RBB Actor Join Date: Jun 2001	I typically have no problem with two sided discs. In fact, once I realized that information can be on both sides of the disc, I began to wonder why they're not both always used. I hate double disc sets and their obese packaging. It's done simply for greater visability and to dupe users into thinking they're getting more material. I'm also not against spreading the feature out over two sides if that means better quality, but ONLY if it means better quality. In a perfect world we wouldn't even need the disc. But since it's there I don't see any reason why they shouldn't use both sides.

10-15-2001, 08:56 PM	#16 (permalink)
General Zod Actor Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fort Scott, KS USA	The only problem I have with flippers is mislabeling. The worst examples of mislabeling I can think of are 13 Ghosts and The Stand. On 13 Ghosts, I had watched half of the movie not realizing that it was the non- Ilusion-O version even though I put the side that was labled as Ilusion-O up. That made me mad. On the Stand, it isn't really mislabled as much as non-labled. They didn't put which side it is on the little band around the middle and I ALWAYS seem to put in the wrong side. Grrr. ------------------ Kneel before Zod!

10-15-2001, 10:27 PM	#18 (permalink)
willb3d Actor Join Date: Jun 2000	My problem with doublesided DVDs is partly the fault of the case...and come to think of it this effects single sided discs as well: Sometimes the spindle is located in the center of the case, sometimes near the bottom. Different cases from different suppliers have different styles. After a film, the room is relatively dark, and sometimes when I take the DVD and try to put it back into its case I don't notice what style case it is, and the spindle hits the playing surface of the disc because I aimed too high or too low. If the inside of the case weren't car-tire black, or if I had more lights on, this wouldn't be a problem. The silver-plastic cases are nice.

10-15-2001, 10:36 PM	#19 (permalink)
slade Film Class God Join Date: May 2001 Location: Oregon City, OR	Don't really mind the two sided disc. My preference is a two-disc set in packaging that isn't double-wide (i.e. Gladiator). But it's never going to influence whether or not I purchase something. Like TheJeffy said, "It's what's inside that counts." ------------------ It’s amazing that brain can generate enough power to keep those legs moving.

10-15-2001, 10:53 PM	#20 (permalink)
Ratboy Banned Join Date: Jun 2000	I don't really care one way or the other except when it comes to renting from Netflix. I can certainly understand from a business perspective, but I hate that they have now separated the rental of the feature from the rental of the bonus disc. Not only does renting, say, The Phantom Menace now count as two movies out, but you're never assured that you'll get the two discs at the same time. I like to watch the bonus material right after the film (which I'm sure is not unusual), and in the worst case scenario, the bonus disc ships but the feature disc is out of stock.

10-16-2001, 01:46 PM	#21 (permalink)
saraswati Actress Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: New York City?!	will3d -- here's a solution. most living rooms come with this special feature called electricity, which is often used to light the area. simply flip the switch at the entrance to the room, and it will become illuminated. you can then remove the disc from your player and put it into the case safely, regardless of what kind of case it is. ------------------ deep in the heat of the bush...

10-18-2001, 01:54 AM	#22 (permalink)
willb3d Actor Join Date: Jun 2000	Ruins the mood.

10-18-2001, 02:06 PM	#24 (permalink)
saraswati Actress Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: New York City?!	but if you've already watched the movie, what mood is there to ruin? you're gonna have to turn on the lights someday. if you need a minute to be in the "mood" of your dark living room, whatever, leave the disk in the player till you're ready to turn the lights on... ------------------ deep in the heat of the bush...

10-18-2001, 08:21 PM	#27 (permalink)
Gyvedgate Actor Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Jacksonville, FL USA	Personally, if it were up to me, I would have disks one and three of the Brazil Criterion collection as a double sided DVD-18 and have disk two as a second supplimental DVD and put the two disks in one thin double amaray. Likewise, I would take (for example) Lethal Weapon 1 & 2 and make it a double sided disk and then do the same with 3 & 4. Then, I would put these two disks in a double amaray and have the entire series in one thin case.

10-19-2001, 10:12 PM	#29 (permalink)
orko007 Actor Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: AUSTRALIA	I'd rather the dual discs, and I dont mind the large packaging. Altho those Amaray cases, come in normal size and hold the 2 discs, so perhaps all manufacturers should take a leap from this. But the worst double sided disc has to be the movie flipper. Out here in R4 land, we have a few of those. I ended up getting a multi region player, mainly so I didnt have to flip Starship Troopers. Just before the 1st battle, youd have to get up and flip. Same as the Rock, & Face/Off. All Touchstone Home Video releases. Thankfully these are being slowly removed.

10-20-2001, 02:24 AM	#30 (permalink)
OneofRyan Actor Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ewok Village	If TPM can have all that stuff on one disk, why couldn't V been all on one side? ------------------ Visit the NX 01 - the first Enterprise

10-20-2001, 04:06 AM	#31 (permalink)
Soggy Bagel's Revenge! Actor Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Denver, Colorado	It always bothers me. I love disc art, and I think to even include the pan&scan version as an option is worng. Thanx, Brook ------------------ If you're a film fan in Colorado, be sure not to miss BLOODFEST!, my horror film festival benefiting Bonfils Blood Center. There are great films showing, so you should come! Get all the info here! Go to the missing title art gallery for fun comics, creative writing, and original short films! or, visit Cheap Thrills ...or more? for lots of horror cinema fun! Also, see my ever-so-wonderful DVD collection!