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Fluffmygarfield · 11-09-2001, 03:40 AM

I heard that Patton was originally shot in 2.20:1 and the current DVD's lose a bit of picture on all sides. Can anyone confirm this?

Filmmaker · 11-09-2001, 03:46 PM

Read the following page, especially the DVD update section at the very bottom:

http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/widescreen/lbx.htm

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Templar · 11-09-2001, 04:36 PM

Dude, that was probably the best link anyone's ever given at this website. If I wasn't at work I could have spent all day there. That list of different films corresponding to different aspect ratios etc. was just f**kin' awesome.

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Chris in OC · 11-09-2001, 04:59 PM

I stumbled onto The Widescreen Museum a while back and was amazed. It's an incredible wealth of information and well worth a bookmark on any filmgoer's browser.

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Filmmaker · 11-09-2001, 06:32 PM

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Chris in OC · 11-11-2001, 06:54 PM

One interesting note in the referenced article, is that Patton has been released twice on DVD, the second time in anamorphic with somewhat better framing than the first. I did a little checking and found that the newer, better transfer seems to be in the lesser package. The original was two discs and included Jerry Goldsmith's original score. The second one has the banner "Fox War Classics" at the top and is only one disc. It's missing the original score, but it has the newer copyright and notes "anamorphic" next to the OAR on the back. Better yet, it's cheaper. Best Buy has the newer one for $14.99, while the older one is $19.99. Just FYI.

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Fluffmygarfield · 11-12-2001, 09:08 PM

"One interesting note in the referenced article, is that Patton has been released twice on DVD, the second time in anamorphic with somewhat better framing than the first. "

Your eyes might be playing tricks on you because the new release is the exact same release of the first Patton sans the second disc. What might be confusing is that the first release isn't labeled anamorphic even though it is.

While on the subject of the Fox war classics, I really wish Fox had remastered The Longest Day. The original release was improparly framed, non-anamorphic and only had a few trailers on it. I was hoping for a special edition (or at least an anamorphic print) but it looks like that'll never happen.

Chacal · 11-12-2001, 09:30 PM

The only difference between the two discs is the inclusion of a documentary on Patton's life. I picked up the older one for the extra documentary.

FYI.

Looks and sounds great for an older movie.

Chacal.

Chris in OC · 11-12-2001, 10:26 PM

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Originally posted by Fluffmygarfield:
Your eyes might be playing tricks on you because the new release is the exact same release of the first Patton sans the second disc. What might be confusing is that the first release isn't labeled anamorphic even though it is.

Actually, I haven't seen the newer disc, but the article referenced above at the Widescreen Museum makes note of the remaster. If they're wrong, then it's my error in not checking it out personally. Thanks, though.

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Fluffmygarfield · 11-12-2001, 10:52 PM

"Actually, I haven't seen the newer disc, but the article referenced above at the Widescreen Museum makes note of the remaster."

The remaster they were talking about was for the original DVD. The article was probably written a while back.

Anyway, if anyone's going to get Patton, I'd recommend the original since you get an excellent documentary and the isolated score for only a few bucks more. The re-release is just to try to cash in on veteran's day.

Chris in OC · 11-12-2001, 11:32 PM

My mistake. Thanks for the clarification.

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Filmmaker · 11-14-2001, 11:55 PM

Sorry to be MIA for a few days, but I've been sick at home and my computer is on the fritz. I just wanted to respond to Chris OC's confusion regarding the two DVD releases of PATTON and confirm what Fluffmygarfield has said. Both DVD releases' transfers are identical and anamorphic (though the original does not say such on the packaging), and the article at the Widescreen Museum is referencing the original 2-disc release--that article is over a year old. The aspect ratio comparison it is making is between the 2-disc DVD and the old LaserDisc transfer...

Oh yeah, and (though the transfers are exactly identical) I second the vote for buying the two-disc version, if for no other reason than to possess Jerry Goldsmith's phenomenal isolated score, any cinephile's dream...

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11-09-2001, 03:40 AM	#1 (permalink)
Fluffmygarfield Actor Join Date: Oct 2001	Patton OAR? I heard that Patton was originally shot in 2.20:1 and the current DVD's lose a bit of picture on all sides. Can anyone confirm this?

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11-09-2001, 03:46 PM	#2 (permalink)
Filmmaker Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Jupiter and Beyond the Infinite	Read the following page, especially the DVD update section at the very bottom: http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/widescreen/lbx.htm ------------------ Ernest Hemingway once wrote, "The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part... --Det. William Somerset, SE7EN A curious mix of the best and worst in motion picture entertainment--that's right, it's Filmmaker's DVDTracker list! ...and the fun doesn't stop there--check out how the madness all began with Filmmaker's LaserDisc Tracker list!

11-09-2001, 04:36 PM	#3 (permalink)
Templar Banned Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Bumblefark, PA	Dude, that was probably the best link anyone's ever given at this website. If I wasn't at work I could have spent all day there. That list of different films corresponding to different aspect ratios etc. was just f**kin' awesome. Thanks.

11-09-2001, 04:59 PM	#4 (permalink)
Chris in OC Actor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: So Cal	I stumbled onto The Widescreen Museum a while back and was amazed. It's an incredible wealth of information and well worth a bookmark on any filmgoer's browser. ------------------ Trust me -- I know what I'm doing.

11-09-2001, 06:32 PM	#5 (permalink)
Filmmaker Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Jupiter and Beyond the Infinite	You may now kneel and kiss my ring... ------------------ Ernest Hemingway once wrote, "The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part... --Det. William Somerset, SE7EN A curious mix of the best and worst in motion picture entertainment--that's right, it's Filmmaker's DVDTracker list! ...and the fun doesn't stop there--check out how the madness all began with Filmmaker's LaserDisc Tracker list!

11-11-2001, 06:54 PM	#6 (permalink)
Chris in OC Actor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: So Cal	One interesting note in the referenced article, is that Patton has been released twice on DVD, the second time in anamorphic with somewhat better framing than the first. I did a little checking and found that the newer, better transfer seems to be in the lesser package. The original was two discs and included Jerry Goldsmith's original score. The second one has the banner "Fox War Classics" at the top and is only one disc. It's missing the original score, but it has the newer copyright and notes "anamorphic" next to the OAR on the back. Better yet, it's cheaper. Best Buy has the newer one for $14.99, while the older one is $19.99. Just FYI. ------------------ Trust me -- I know what I'm doing.

11-12-2001, 09:08 PM	#7 (permalink)
Fluffmygarfield Actor Join Date: Oct 2001	"One interesting note in the referenced article, is that Patton has been released twice on DVD, the second time in anamorphic with somewhat better framing than the first. " Your eyes might be playing tricks on you because the new release is the exact same release of the first Patton sans the second disc. What might be confusing is that the first release isn't labeled anamorphic even though it is. While on the subject of the Fox war classics, I really wish Fox had remastered The Longest Day. The original release was improparly framed, non-anamorphic and only had a few trailers on it. I was hoping for a special edition (or at least an anamorphic print) but it looks like that'll never happen.

11-12-2001, 09:30 PM	#8 (permalink)
Chacal Supporting Actor Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Canby, Oregon USA	The only difference between the two discs is the inclusion of a documentary on Patton's life. I picked up the older one for the extra documentary. FYI. Looks and sounds great for an older movie. Chacal.

11-12-2001, 10:52 PM	#10 (permalink)
Fluffmygarfield Actor Join Date: Oct 2001	"Actually, I haven't seen the newer disc, but the article referenced above at the Widescreen Museum makes note of the remaster." The remaster they were talking about was for the original DVD. The article was probably written a while back. Anyway, if anyone's going to get Patton, I'd recommend the original since you get an excellent documentary and the isolated score for only a few bucks more. The re-release is just to try to cash in on veteran's day.

11-12-2001, 11:32 PM	#11 (permalink)
Chris in OC Actor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: So Cal	My mistake. Thanks for the clarification.

11-14-2001, 11:55 PM	#13 (permalink)
Filmmaker Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Jupiter and Beyond the Infinite	Sorry to be MIA for a few days, but I've been sick at home and my computer is on the fritz. I just wanted to respond to Chris OC's confusion regarding the two DVD releases of PATTON and confirm what Fluffmygarfield has said. Both DVD releases' transfers are identical and anamorphic (though the original does not say such on the packaging), and the article at the Widescreen Museum is referencing the original 2-disc release--that article is over a year old. The aspect ratio comparison it is making is between the 2-disc DVD and the old LaserDisc transfer... Oh yeah, and (though the transfers are exactly identical) I second the vote for buying the two-disc version, if for no other reason than to possess Jerry Goldsmith's phenomenal isolated score, any cinephile's dream... ------------------ Ernest Hemingway once wrote, "The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part... --Det. William Somerset, SE7EN A curious mix of the best and worst in motion picture entertainment--that's right, it's Filmmaker's DVDTracker list! ...and the fun doesn't stop there--check out how the madness all began with Filmmaker's LaserDisc Tracker list!