Pearl Harbor 2 Discs

[IKEA_boy]

Was it really necesary to span this thing over two discs? Throughout the first disc I kept wondering why it's only 2 hr 10 in long. Now I know it's b/c the second half is on disc 2.

[IKEA_boy]

Damn, not one reply. Am I being shunned?

[stolenrays]

i don't know, but i'm really pissed about it. I don't like having to change discs at all.

[pdjennings]

I was assuming it was due to A) movie length & B) Four audio tracks (once of which is DTS).


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[The Riddler]

Whoa, whoa...wait a minute! I thought disc 2 was an 'extra feature' disc....U tellin' me its the later half of the movie a la 'Ten Commandment'????? Say it ain't so!!!

[Lenny Nero]

I'm gona wait for a 4-disc Vista series which will have BOTH versions, all the extras from this shitty release in addition to extra special features.

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[pdjennings]

Originally posted by Lenny Nero:
I'm gona wait for a 4-disc Vista series which will have BOTH versions, all the extras from this shitty release in addition to extra special features.

??

Everything I've read has said that the Vista edition will just contain the new "R" cut & some extras. (& I think it's just 3 discs).

I'm thinking that if you want the theatrical edition, you'd better get this one too.


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[oxonce]

Pearl Harbor was spread out over two discs so they could release the best looking and best sounding film possible. They didn't have to compress it as much, so therefore it looks and sounds a lot better. The intermission comes right after the president declares war. It's not that bad. I would rather get up to change discs than watch a crappy looking transfer. Also, the DC will be a 4 disc set.
Oxonce

[Damian]

Originally posted by oxonce:
It's not that bad. I would rather get up to change discs than watch a crappy looking transfer.

There are PLENTY of beautifully transfered movies that are on a single disc. I could care less about DTS myself since my reciever is only a Dolby Digital so I would have been happy to see them use that extra space for the movie. (I know I'm probably all alone on this one)
I hate having to get up to change discs for a movie, especially one that could have fit on a single disc to begin with.




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[IKEA_boy]

There are two DD tracks on this disc. One is a French language 5.1. If they were worried about a crappy x-sfer then they could have rid themselves of the DD French track. I have never seen a foreign language track higher than 2.0. And, as mentioned earlier, the image would have looked fine compressed to fit one disc. I'm sure there are many long movies like that (isn't Titanic 3 hrs long?)

[pdjennings]

Originally posted by IKEA_boy:
I'm sure there are many long movies like that (isn't Titanic 3 hrs long?)

Yes... but it only has 3 audio tracks (English 5.1, English 2.0, & French 2.0).

I don't think you're appreciating how much disc space a good DTS track uses.

Is this really that huge an issue? It only takes a couple seconds to swap a disc. I'd MUCH rather have a nicer product than bitch about having to change discs.

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[bby242]

Is it true that there is also another dvd package that is coming out in 2002. Why did they do that?

[Wurms]

They are reasing the Vista Series in March (May?), an "M" month, and they are doing it for us, the dvd freaks that would pay $40 for a 4-disc set. This weeks release is just gonna be the movie and a few extras for the average consumer who doesn't want to pay $40 for the movie.

Best Buy has it for $16.99 for this first week of release.

Sucks that the movie splits onto 2-disc's. That is really annoying. Just have to be prepared. Have my dvd player run the first disc and right when that ends I will have the second disc in my PS2 to start right away

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[Brian G]

What a bunch of crybabies.

Just think of it as a builtin potty break.

Better yet, think of it as a way of preventing an early heart attack.

I personally am glad that someone had the balls to say "putting all of this on one disc makes the video look bad, lets put it on two discs."

Brian G.

[pdjennings]

Originally posted by Brian G
What a bunch of crybabies.

I personally am glad that someone had the balls to say "putting all of this on one disc makes the video look bad, lets put it on two discs."

Amen

[No6PackJoe]

Originally posted by stolenrays
i don't know, but i'm really pissed about it. I don't like having to change discs at all.

Come on, you gota have a washroom break in there or you'll be really "pissed"

[UrthKnolyj]

Ill throw out another Amen...

I watched this last night.

And although I do have my qualms with the movie itself, I was truly impressed with the sound and picture quality. I do not mind at all having to change discs, Id rather have to do it in EVERY movie and have it be quality like this then have it be some Shite with a totally noticeable choppy ass transfer.:mad:

I didnt have a problem with getting up an changing it, I was just damn surprised that there was that much more movie...

BTW, I rented this last night, an I want to buy it. Is the Vista Version out? Im pretty sure the version I saw was NOT the R version, what does the R boast that the PG-13 Lacks?

I hope it means the movie takes on a bloody Private Ryan twist...I saw MAD potential for some kick ass shit.

[AnonomusBob15]

Originally posted by UrthKnolyj BTW, I rented this last night, an I want to buy it. Is the Vista Version out? Im pretty sure the version I saw was NOT the R version, what does the R boast that the PG-13 Lacks?

The Director's Cut is out May 14th, it will be three discs, the DC will contain 5 min. of extra footage (an ass and some more violence from what I hear). IT WILL BE THREE DISCS!

I enjoyed the movie and bought the 60th thingy yesterday, for the 17.99 I paid for it, it was well worth it. I will also buy the Vistas Series because it will not be $40, I think eveyone knows that you can get it for about 27.99 or less when it come out.



That looks like a nice package to me.

[Lenny Nero]

Since they pushed Vista series from Jan 15th to May 14th, 4 months later, I've heard rumors it'll include theatrical cut, too, whether branching or not, and therefore require a 4th disc for the extras to spill over to.

Either way, it'll have all the extras from this current release and many additional features as well as the prefered director's R rated cut.

Disc One:

ANIMATED MAIN MENU - The tentative plans for the menus on all 3 discs are groundbreaking. If we proceed with the plan, several brand new sets will be built, and scenes will be shot just for vignettes incorporated in the innovative menuing system.

INTRO AND LETTERBOX EXPLANATION BY MICHAEL BAY (Approximately 2 minutes)

PEARL HARBOR-THE DIRECTOR'S CUT (PART 1)

INTERMISSION SEQUENCE (with score)

SELECTABLE AUDIO COMMENTARIES (THROUGHOUT FILM) · Michael Bay with TBD · Technicians, including the DP, Production Designer, and Costume Designer · Jerry Bruckheimer with stars Ben Affleck, Kate Beckinsale, Josh Hartnett, and Alec Baldwin.

Disc Two:

PEARL HARBOR-THE DIRECTOR'S CUT (PART 2)

Aside from commentaries, bonus will be split between discs 2 and 3.

Discs Two & Three (Bonus):

MAKING OF PEARL HARBOR SEGMENTS (Approximately 45 minutes) Each segment will let DVD viewers be a fly on the wall and actually listen in as the film's technicians, actors, and the director makes a blockbuster. These are compelling segments cut without narration or interviews. Segments will be; a) BATTLESHIP ROW ATTACK b) SANDBAG EXPLOSION c) DORRIE MILLER AT THE GUNS d) THE AIRFIELD ATTACK e) THE SCRAMBLE TO THE PLANES f) THE DUD BOMB g) THE OKLAHOMA GIMBLE h) THE DOOLITLE RAID

THE SURPRISE ATTACK - A MULTI-ANGLE BREAKDOWN OF THE FILM'S MOST EXCITING SEQUENCE. (Approximately 30 minutes) Includes:

Video intro by Michael Bay

Multiple video tracks that will include pre-visualization: storyboards, artwork, animatics, effects plates, green screen, and final sequence--all accessible by switching angles.

Various selectable audio tracks, including; o English Composite (5.1) o Production Audio (1.0 or 2.0) o Sound Effects (5.1) o Music (2.0 or 5.1)

Commentaries from veterans, potentially moderated by an ABC NEWS personality (Peter Jennings, Sam Donaldson, Ted Koppel or David Brinkley)

PEARL HARBOR HISTORIC TIMELINE - A set-top interactive feature produced by documentarian Charles Kiselyak. Through an innovative animated timeline, viewers will be able to select historic videos, audio clips, text, or photos that set the stage for the events in Hawaii, or follow how they impacted world events that transpired as a result of the conflict. (Approximately 30 minutes)

FAITH HILL MUSIC VIDEO (Approximately 4 minutes)

BOOT CAMP - this segment follows the actors as they take preparation for their roles to an extreme. In the first entertaining segment, Ben Affleck, Josh Hartnett and their co-stars are put through grueling paces by an over-enthusiastic drill sergeant. We hope to have Josh and Ben supply a selectable audio commentary for this segment. The second segment follows Alec Baldwin through his officer training. (Approximately 30 minutes)

SUPER-8 MONTAGE - A collection of unseen super-8 footage shot for potential use in the movie by Michael Bay's visual assistant, Mark Palansky.

ANIMATIC - Early computer concepts from Michael Bay

[pdjennings]

Damn! I finally got a chance to sit down tonight & watch this. Whoa. Nice! Looked terrific & the DTS was A-M-A-Z-I-N-G.

I dunno why this movie got so many negative reviews.... I thought it was very entertaining. (Granted, there were a couple lines of dialogue here & there that were a tad corny, but oh well.) The attack was breathtaking..... a very intense 45 minutes.

CAN'T WAIT FOR THE VISTA!!!!! Yayayayaya

[ElCuCuy2000]

When this movie first came out, everybody was canning it as being total crap. I seemed (at the time) to be one of the few people who actually enjoyed it (It might be for the sole reason that I went to go see it with 10 WWII/Pearl Harbor survivors and saw a tear in each of their eyes), but the experience of watching it with somebody that was actually there really changed the way I watch these types of movies. A lot of us younger folk take a lot of things for granted without realizing that these things mean a lot more to other people. Some of you guys bitch and moan about aspect ratios, DTS soundtracks, having to get your lazy ass to get off a couch and swap a disk, etc., but when it really comes down to it, we're nothing compared to the people that have sacrificed their lives to give us our freedoms! At this very minute, there are thousands of men and women over in Afghanistan doing the same exact thing, and if things ever get worse over there where Americans start dying, I hope you all realize that there are other things more important than DVDs.

BTW, I still love "Pearl Harbor" and consider it one of my favorite all time movies.

And Oh, BTW, they do make DVD-Disk changers now. You can have 300+1 DVDs in your machine and not have to worry about getting up to swap a disk.

David

[Nexus 6]

originally posted by ElCuCuy2000:

A lot of us younger folk take a lot of things for granted without realizing that these things mean a lot more to other people. Some of you guys bitch and moan about aspect ratios, DTS soundtracks, having to get your lazy ass to get off a couch and swap a disk, etc., but when it really comes down to it, we're nothing compared to the people that have sacrificed their lives to give us our freedoms! At this very minute, there are thousands of men and women over in Afghanistan doing the same exact thing, and if things ever get worse over there where Americans start dying, I hope you all realize that there are other things more important than DVDs.

I'll certainly agree with that, but I still didn't like the movie. I thought it was more an insult to those who were there at Pearl Harbor than a tribute, because it turned a pivotal moment in their lives and the history of the world into a summer popcorn movie with an unvbelieveably bland love story, and then tried to pass itself off as an important cinematic event. I guess some could make the same argument about Titanic, but even though it wasn't perfect, Titanic at least had some passion behind it. All Pearl Harbor seemed to have behind it was a marketing campaign and a lot of (admittedly magnificent) F/X.

However, as George Lucas once pointed out (and seems to have subsequently forgotten, by the way), "A special effect is just a tool, a means of telling a story. A special effect without a story is a pretty boring thing." I'll add that a special effect with a boring story is also a pretty boring thing.

Sorry for getting off topic there, but as far as the whole 2-disc thing goes, and other 3-hour movies fitting onto one disc, I agree that it's not that big a deal. Running time is not the only factor in disc space. Pearl Harbor has a lot of visual information that was probably difficult to compress. I don't know the specifics of this, but that probably had a lot to do with it. The Titanic disc was also not anamorphic, so that freed up some space, too.

If it ups the audio/video quality and it's warranted, I don't have a problem with spreading the movie over 2 discs. It's all good with me.

[sivart22]

Hey, heres a solution to having to change discs, DONT WATCH THIS CRAP MOVIE!

[pdjennings]

[AnonomusBob15]

Ok, If they did not create a back story, then why the hell would we care about the characters. What if the movie just showed the attack, then it would be pure eye candy, I liked the love story and thought it was a terrific film. Nother job well done Michael Bay.

[GrizMD]

I haven't bought the set yet, I'm thinking about holding out for the cut in May. Can anyone tell me what the bit rate on the DTS track for this 2-disc set is???

[Lenny Nero]

Originally posted by Lenny Nero
I'm gona wait for a 4-disc Vista series

Originally posted by oxonce
Also, the DC will be a 4 disc set.

Originally posted by AnonomusBob15


The Director's Cut is out May 14th, it will be three discs, the DC will contain 5 min. of extra footage (an ass and some more violence from what I hear). IT WILL BE THREE DISCS!

HAH! My sources were right and it WILL be a 4-disc set and it IS being delayed again due to that reason! (See front page news)

Yeah, I'm definetly waiting for it now

[pilauh]

the R2 edition (french) has the movie on 1 dvd...

don't understand what you're talkind about...
;(

[Hendrik]

...true... but it does not have a dts soundtrack (just English & French DD 5.1)... also the average bit-rate stays well below the 6 mark - not exactly a 'stellar' transfer, I'd say!...

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